The Lost One
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Post by The Lost One on Jun 4, 2019 19:21:08 GMT
Human beings already evolved from primates, by the time God Revealed Himself to His Creation. The Serpent didn't tempt primates, he tempted human beings. And knowledge & wisdom are not gifts from the Devil, they are Gifts Of the Holy Spirit (God) (Isaiah chapter 11, verses 1 - 2). The story is allegorical for the evolution of man from beast. At some point an ape became a man. This is what the ancients tried to explain with the story of Adam and Eve. At some point you have to reconcile the fruit from the tree of knowledge, given by Satan to man, with gifts given later by the Holy Spirit. It's not black and white. It seems unlikely that the authors of Genesis thought of the serpent as Satan: www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/how-the-serpent-became-satan/The Eden story is there to explain the fallen nature of man, and provide a few "just so stories" details, like why the snakes have no legs and why humans hate them. There is no suggestion that disobeying God gave Adam and Eve anything beneficial. One could maybe say independence was better than the kept existence they had before, but even then they didn't gain that directly from eating the fruit but from the manner in which God chose to punish them. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jun 4, 2019 19:37:38 GMT
The story is allegorical for the evolution of man from beast. At some point an ape became a man. This is what the ancients tried to explain with the story of Adam and Eve. At some point you have to reconcile the fruit from the tree of knowledge, given by Satan to man, with gifts given later by the Holy Spirit. It's not black and white. It seems unlikely that the authors of Genesis thought of the serpent as Satan: www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-topics/bible-interpretation/how-the-serpent-became-satan/The Eden story is there to explain the fallen nature of man, and provide a few "just so stories" details, like why the snakes have no legs and why humans hate them. There is no suggestion that disobeying God gave Adam and Eve anything beneficial. One could maybe say independence was better than the kept existence they had before, but even then they didn't gain that directly from eating the fruit but from the manner in which God chose to punish them. [Job was written around the same time as the Pentateuch meaning that at the time of their writing they would have known about him. They were certainly already aware of bad angels even if they didn’t give much thought to a boss demon. I think people put to much emphasis on Genesis purpose. The book is only describing the history of Israelites. It could easily be a simple discussion on how God would redeem all people through this one group which is brought out through the entirety of scripture because they were the specific group God turned his attention to. There’s not much deeper metaphorically since the story already contains symbols and prophecies and the actions of all the characters is apparent and actually reflect exactly how they each behave. God is a creator, lawgiver, and judge. Satan is a deceiver in the disguise of a snake. Adam and Eve are Free agents that choose their fates based on what they desire. No need to dig much deeper except in regard to the prophecies. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 9, 2019 8:01:06 GMT
If we believe in Biblical cosmology then it's obvious the serpent is tied in with the angel later known as Satan. I'm not sure of the translation or whether it's been translated correctly, but it's called "the tree of knowledge of good and evil". I cannot believe that name is just a random one with no significance. The story is obviously trying to teach some moral. Yeah, but what? No believer can lucidly say. Don't blame them if you're not lucid enough to get it.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 9, 2019 8:35:44 GMT
Don't blame them if you're not lucid enough to get it. That is the point genius, get what? Get what Gameboy tried to explain to you....genius.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 9, 2019 9:29:38 GMT
Get what Gameboy tried to explain to you....genius. gameboy didn't explain anything, except to comment on it making some moral point...WHICH IS? This is what I am asking, if you know, tell me what the moral point is? The point, as best as I can phrase it on short notice, is do not rebel against your Creator, or there will be a negative outcome.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 9, 2019 9:37:13 GMT
The point, as best as I can phrase it on short notice, is do not rebel against your Creator, or there will be a negative outcome. Who is the creator? The one who created Adam and Eve, genius.
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Post by clusium on Jun 9, 2019 14:58:27 GMT
I didn't lie about anything. This topic thread is about how Satan is portrayed in the story of Genesis; not about the actual scientific detail about how the world was created or whatever it actually was that caused human beings to fall into ruin. As we know, science is tossed aside for delusion when it comes to staunch believers in a religion. It is about the "interpretation" of Satan and what it\he is, and this includes OTHER aspects. With you, it is about your own rigid and inflexible mindset, which then disregards logic and common sense, because it doesn't sit comfortably with your delusion which is born out of lies.
No it isn't.
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Post by clusium on Jun 9, 2019 22:40:29 GMT
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Post by clusium on Jun 9, 2019 23:16:32 GMT
Religion is born of lies, so what exactly is the point you are wanting to express? I don't deal in lies and you do. No it is not, & neither do I. Religion is born of the desire to worship God or gods.
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