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Post by maya55555 on Jun 12, 2019 14:46:52 GMT
The 108 Polish Martyrs of World War II, known also as 108 Blessed Polish Martyrs, were Roman Catholics from Poland killed during World War II by the Nazis.
Rest in the Peace of GOD'S love.
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Post by Isapop on Jun 12, 2019 16:10:54 GMT
My question is about labeling them "martyrs". From a little on-line checking, it seems that nearly all these 108 people were either executed or sent to die in concentration camps because they heroically resisted the Nazis. They weren't killed for standing up for their faith, which is the defining feature of martyrdom. (There are a tiny number of exceptions in the group - a few priests who refused to denounce their priesthood or tread on a crucifix, etc.)
As far as I know, Catholics in other Nazi-occupied countries haven't been similarly beatified as those 108 from Poland. It makes one wonder if the Polish pope had his thumb on the scale.
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 12, 2019 18:22:41 GMT
Read this:
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
by Kenneth L. Woodward | Jul 23, 1996
Why are you questioning what the RCC does?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:38:36 GMT
Not celebrating 'martyrs' killed by the fascist third reich, from a church that turned a blind eye to it's horrors.
Especially from you, that peddles the same racist shit that they did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2019 19:54:21 GMT
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Post by Isapop on Jun 12, 2019 20:04:27 GMT
Read this:
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
by Kenneth L. Woodward | Jul 23, 1996
Why are you questioning what the RCC does? Why am I questioning what the RCC does? I think that having a questioning mind is better than an unquestioning mind, and I have to keep in practice. In this case, it's the Catechism that brings the question to mind: www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P8J.HTM You can bother to read sections 2472 and 2473, but no need. In a nutshell, it says that Christian martyrdom is the transmission of the faith (in words and deeds) even unto death. To declare that fighting and dying against Nazism qualifies a Catholic (and specifically a Polish Catholic) as a "Christian martyr" seems a stretch. And not just to me. From an article in Catholic Answers: "Even the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, during the historically unprecedented wave of canonizations that occurred in the pontificate of John Paul II, became a bit loose in applying the term martyr" www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/martyrdom-is-more-than-being-killed-for-your-faith
Btw, you're on a religion message board. Why wouldn't you expect questions about what the RCC does?
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Post by maya55555 on Jun 12, 2019 21:08:40 GMT
Read this:
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
by Kenneth L. Woodward | Jul 23, 1996
Why are you questioning what the RCC does? Why am I questioning what the RCC does? I think that having a questioning mind is better than an unquestioning mind, and I have to keep in practice. In this case, it's the Catechism that brings the question to mind: www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P8J.HTM You can bother to read sections 2472 and 2473, but no need. In a nutshell, it says that Christian martyrdom is the transmission of the faith (in words and deeds) even unto death. To declare that fighting and dying against Nazism qualifies a Catholic (and specifically a Polish Catholic) as a "Christian martyr" seems a stretch. And not just to me. From an article in Catholic Answers: "Even the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, during the historically unprecedented wave of canonizations that occurred in the pontificate of John Paul II, became a bit loose in applying the term martyr" www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/martyrdom-is-more-than-being-killed-for-your-faith
Btw, you're on a religion message board.Why wouldn't you expect questions about what the RCC does?
Because if the question does NOT have a hidden agenda of mockery, I will gladly entertain it. Most threads are mired in prejudice.
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Post by goz on Jun 12, 2019 21:25:24 GMT
Read this:
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
Making Saints: How The Catholic Church Determines Who Becomes A Saint, Who Doesn'T, And Why
by Kenneth L. Woodward | Jul 23, 1996
Why are you questioning what the RCC does? Why am I questioning what the RCC does? I think that having a questioning mind is better than an unquestioning mind, and I have to keep in practice. In this case, it's the Catechism that brings the question to mind: www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_P8J.HTM You can bother to read sections 2472 and 2473, but no need. In a nutshell, it says that Christian martyrdom is the transmission of the faith (in words and deeds) even unto death. To declare that fighting and dying against Nazism qualifies a Catholic (and specifically a Polish Catholic) as a "Christian martyr" seems a stretch. And not just to me. From an article in Catholic Answers: "Even the Congregation for the Causes of Saints, during the historically unprecedented wave of canonizations that occurred in the pontificate of John Paul II, became a bit loose in applying the term martyr" www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/martyrdom-is-more-than-being-killed-for-your-faith
Btw, you're on a religion message board. Why wouldn't you expect questions about what the RCC does?
I was just wondering why posts on this thread are not in the usual large 'script'!
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