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Post by egon1982 on Jul 4, 2019 22:03:35 GMT
Ever thought of the classic trilogy as an allegory to WWII? i mean Lucas borrowed from Frank Herbert, Kurasowa, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers shorts and more for the trilogy but also real life events.
I mean do you see Vader as Adolph Hitler in aspects and the storm troopers as nazis as they invaded other planets to capture people from other worlds as prisoners even some genocides? similar to how Hitler and the nazis captured Jews from various European countries and all.
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Post by Archelaus on Jul 4, 2019 22:58:52 GMT
It was intentional. A few of the battles against TIE fighters was edited to mirror stock footage of World War II dogfighting. I think Palpatine is more analogous to Adolf Hitler with the context of the prequel trilogy included.
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Post by johnspartan on Jul 4, 2019 23:05:00 GMT
Ever thought of the classic trilogy as an allegory to WWII? i mean Lucas borrowed from Frank Herbert, Kurasowa, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers shorts and more for the trilogy but also real life events. I mean do you see Vader as Adolph Hitler in aspects and the storm troopers as nazis as they invaded other planets to capture people from other worlds as prisoners even some genocides? similar to how Hitler and the nazis captured Jews from various European countries and all. George Lucas admitted this long ago.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 4, 2019 23:09:44 GMT
Tbe Emperor is Hitler, Vader is more like Himmler.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 5, 2019 3:03:27 GMT
Endor is Vietnam
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Post by vegalyra on Jul 5, 2019 16:58:24 GMT
Hoth was the name of a German general, he was a panzer commander in the Battle of France and then the Eastern Front, including Stalingrad and Kursk.  |
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Post by vegalyra on Jul 5, 2019 17:00:33 GMT
Unrelated to WW2, Endor was also a place in the Bible, it's referenced about three times, including the witch that King Saul of the Israelites visits. There are a lot of Jewish and Nazi related material in Star Wars.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 5, 2019 17:34:18 GMT
Ever thought of the classic trilogy as an allegory to WWII? i mean Lucas borrowed from Frank Herbert, Kurasowa, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers shorts and more for the trilogy but also real life events. I mean do you see Vader as Adolph Hitler in aspects and the storm troopers as nazis as they invaded other planets to capture people from other worlds as prisoners even some genocides? similar to how Hitler and the nazis captured Jews from various European countries and all. Vader wouldn’t have been Hitler. If anything Vader was Japan |
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Post by egon1982 on Jul 7, 2019 10:22:37 GMT
Oh ok Vader is Japan while Emperor Palpatine was Hitler
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Jul 8, 2019 1:28:20 GMT
Han Solo's pistol was copied from the German 1896 Mauser. One of the weapons used by the Stormtroopers was copied from the British Lewis machine gun.
These were primarily WWI-era weapons but some of them still saw action in WWII.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 8, 2019 2:12:30 GMT
Ever thought of the classic trilogy as an allegory to WWII? i mean Lucas borrowed from Frank Herbert, Kurasowa, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers shorts and more for the trilogy but also real life events. I mean do you see Vader as Adolph Hitler in aspects and the storm troopers as nazis as they invaded other planets to capture people from other worlds as prisoners even some genocides? similar to how Hitler and the nazis captured Jews from various European countries and all. Vader wouldn’t have been Hitler. If anything Vader was JapanHow's that? |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 8, 2019 2:18:20 GMT
Vader wouldn’t have been Hitler. If anything Vader was JapanHow's that? The Empire was Hitler, Vader had his own agenda but he also wasn't as powerful on his own. But honestly, I don't find much analogy between SW and WWII.
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Post by sostie on Jul 8, 2019 10:01:07 GMT
Ever thought of the classic trilogy as an allegory to WWII? i mean Lucas borrowed from Frank Herbert, Kurasowa, John Carter, Flash Gordon, Buck Rogers shorts and more for the trilogy but also real life events. Well a lot of the final assault on the Death Star in Star Wars is a shot for shot remake of The Dam Busters, a real life event
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 9, 2019 1:41:25 GMT
The Empire was Hitler, Vader had his own agenda but he also wasn't as powerful on his own. But honestly, I don't find much analogy between SW and WWII. Ehhhhhh. Himmler was leader of the SS (Vader lead the stormtroopers) and orchestrated the holocaust of Jews (Vader hunted down and destroyed the Jedi). He even turned against Hitler at the last minute, albeit for less noble reasons. He had desires to rule with Hitler out of the way, which is about as far as Vader's agenda differed from Palpatine's. Vader wasn't allied to the Empire, he worked for the Empire. And the Empire was very Nazi Germany, between the officer uniforms, lack of diversity, and its rise depicted in the prequels. Palpatine goes from Chancellor to dictator with "emergency powers", there"s Order 66 (Night of the Long Knives), the clones superceded by stormtroopers (SA and SS), etc. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 9, 2019 1:45:38 GMT
The Empire was Hitler, Vader had his own agenda but he also wasn't as powerful on his own. But honestly, I don't find much analogy between SW and WWII. Ehhhhhh. Himmler was leader of the SS (Vader lead the stormtroopers) and orchestrated the holocaust of Jews (Vader hunted down and destroyed the Jedi). He even turned against Hitler at the last minute, albeit for less noble reasons. He had desires to rule with Hitler out of the way, which is about as far as Vader's agenda differed from Palpatine's. Vader wasn't allied to the Empire, he worked for the Empire. And the Empire was very Nazi Germany, between the officer uniforms, lack of diversity, and its rise depicted in the prequels. Palpatine goes from Chancellor to dictator with "emergency powers", there"s Order 66 (Night of the Long Knives), the clones superceded by stormtroopers (SA and SS), etc. Like I said, I don't see a lot of similarities in the first place. However, Vader was most definitely allied with the Empire. His master was the Emperor so there's no way he couldn't be aligned with the Empire up until the moment he betrayed it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 9, 2019 2:13:16 GMT
Ehhhhhh. Himmler was leader of the SS (Vader lead the stormtroopers) and orchestrated the holocaust of Jews (Vader hunted down and destroyed the Jedi). He even turned against Hitler at the last minute, albeit for less noble reasons. He had desires to rule with Hitler out of the way, which is about as far as Vader's agenda differed from Palpatine's. Vader wasn't allied to the Empire, he worked for the Empire. And the Empire was very Nazi Germany, between the officer uniforms, lack of diversity, and its rise depicted in the prequels. Palpatine goes from Chancellor to dictator with "emergency powers", there"s Order 66 (Night of the Long Knives), the clones superceded by stormtroopers (SA and SS), etc. Like I said, I don't see a lot of similarities in the first place. However, Vader was most definitely allied with the Empire. His master was the Emperor so there's no way he couldn't be aligned with the Empire up until the moment he betrayed it. Aside from the ones I just pointed out or what? That's not what allied means or what I meant by it...wouldn't that contradict everything else I said? Japan was allied to Germany, but Germany wasn't Japan's master. Italy, after it became a puppet state, alright. Either way, that's assuming Vader represents an entirely different nation. Which he doesn't. He's a leading figurehead of the Empire itself. |
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Post by sostie on Jul 9, 2019 12:53:02 GMT
I think Lucas took elements of history and inserted them into his films, but I think overall it's too scattershot to say the whole thing is an allegory for WWII
Lucas has said in the past that the Ewoks were the Vietcong so it isn't all going to be from the WWII era. The battles in Empire and Last Jedi has element of WWI trench warfare. The murder of the Jedis in Sith could be seen as the (Pre WWII) Night Of The Long Knives.
The Empire comparison to the Nazi's is obvious, from the uniforms to it's infantry being called "stormtropers". But who are the Rebels? Britain? French Resistance? USA? The Allies as a whole? Or do individuals represent different groups. Is Luke the enthusiastic American that wants to join the fight his country are not part of, like the Eagle squadron in the RAF who joined the war before America entered it? Is Han the US Government, making "money" from the chaos but later being drawn into the war?
Is the X-Wing squadron the RAF? The assault on the Death Star we know is lifted from The Dam Busters (a real event). But then to confuse matters (if aiming for an accurate allegory) the medal ceremony at the end of Star Wars is taken from the Nazi propaganda film Triumph Of The Will.
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