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Post by moviemouth on Jul 10, 2019 17:18:34 GMT
I mean in terms of the quality of the movie. They are usually movies with mediocre/bad scrpts but have so many other things about them that are so good, that you are able to overlook the bad writing. In some cases these movies are even preferable to movies that are good in the traditional sense.
For me there are a lot of these movies and I tend to be a fan of these types of movies.
Are there any movies that you think fit this description?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 10, 2019 17:24:37 GMT
I thought that Pompeii (2014) was phenomenal on multiple levels ( costumes, sets, cast ) but the script was awful.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jul 10, 2019 17:26:47 GMT
Also, I absolutely love Alexander (2004) even though the hammy over acting "ruined" it ( for some others, not me! )
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Post by politicidal on Jul 10, 2019 17:28:06 GMT
Oh yeah, right off the top of my head, I can easily consider one to be Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate. It's so self indulgent and downright ponderous at times. But the sheer physical scale of the production, the meticulous attention to detail, and the story clearly reaching for the stars and trying to deliver a somber elegiac homage to the Western genre makes it admirable in that regard.
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Post by ck100 on Jul 10, 2019 17:29:52 GMT
The Star Wars prequels.
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Post by moviemouth on Jul 10, 2019 17:32:33 GMT
Also, I absolutely love Alexander (2004) even though the hammy over acting "ruined" it ( for some others, not me! ) That is a good example of what I am talking about. Alexander (2004) has a lot of great moments in it, specifically the Battle of the Hydaspes.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 10, 2019 18:18:30 GMT
Denis Villeneuve is a Master at this. Both Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 boast incredible visuals, production values and fine performances, but in his efforts to make them "profound", he manages to make them ultimately pompous and dare I say, dull.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 10, 2019 18:31:14 GMT
Denis Villeneuve is a Master at this. Both Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 boast incredible visuals, production values and fine performances, but in his efforts to make them "profound", he manages to make them ultimately pompous and dare I say, dull. How’d you like Sicario?
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Post by fangirl1975 on Jul 10, 2019 19:54:39 GMT
The later Hammer Films productions spring to mind.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Jul 10, 2019 19:56:29 GMT
Denis Villeneuve is a Master at this. Both Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 boast incredible visuals, production values and fine performances, but in his efforts to make them "profound", he manages to make them ultimately pompous and dare I say, dull. How’d you like Sicario? I haven't seen it actually; I know I need to quit messing around and get it from Netflix.
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Post by bravomailer on Jul 10, 2019 20:02:54 GMT
Most Tarantino movies have cleverness, quirkiness, and well-done homages but degenerate into adolescent pyrotechnics and shootouts. I wrote him off after Inglourious Basterds though Once Upon A Time In Hollywood looks interesting.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Jul 10, 2019 21:53:30 GMT
This would be just about any movie that’s a six or seven.
My picks would be ones I don’t like but because they are critically acclaimed I assume what the hooks are
District 9 Hurt Locker Hateful 8 Dark Knight Rises Superman II
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Post by gljbradley on Jul 11, 2019 2:25:55 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 11, 2019 3:58:44 GMT
Terminator 3 comes to mind.
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Post by mslo79 on Jul 11, 2019 4:52:54 GMT
I guess I don't really view movies that way (although I guess it's possible there might be some by your definition that I like by that standard(?)) as the overall movie either works for me or not which is what ultimately determines my usual...
5/10 or lower = Thumbs Down (won't re-watch(with rare exception)) 6/10 or higher = Thumbs Up (will re-watch)
but if you count some movies listed in the topic inline with your description I would count... Street Kings/Terminator 3 as both are solid movies as both score a 7/10 or above for me currently. I think T3 is underrated as it's my 2nd favorite of the Terminator series behind the 1st movie. in fact, I plan on re-watching T1/T2/T3/T5 fairly soon (I don't like T4 so I won't re-watch that one).
p.s. although a fair amount of movies I score in the 6/10 range are at least somewhat on the back burner in terms of a re-watch as I am sure there are some I gave a 6/10 that have been many years since I last re-watched them (although I try to avoid long stretches without re-watching). but the ones I score a 6-6.5/10 or higher tend to see the most re-watches in general as these I almost always re-watch at least once every few years or so. but the ones more in the standard "6/10" range, while I still re-watch a fair amount of these in a reasonable time frame, I am sure there are some that have been 5-10+ years since I last re-watched them. but every once in a while ill go through movies I gave a 6/10 just to make sure they are still worth re-watching as if it's been too long since I last re-watched a movie and I don't think ill get around to re-watching it into the foreseeable future, ill usually shift my 6/10 back to a 5/10 as I would say I do a check of my 6/10's maybe once every few years or so just to keep things accurate as this helps ensure movies I score a 6/10 or of some worth and not just another forgettable movie I won't re-watch.
I guess I don't really think about writing too much when watching a movie as, off the top of my head, once a movies writing is at least okay-ish, which should not be difficult to do for most half way decent movies, it's largely about other areas that make a movie work or not like say...
-Subject Matter -Cast -Cinematography -Setting
...and the like.
I guess it's somewhat difficult to describe (but I think what's said above is the gist of it) but some people can make movies click while others fall short and are just another movie sort of thing.
p.s. who knows, maybe writing at times should get more credit (like in overall quality of a movie) than I give it. but I usually tend to credit director more than writer for the overall quality, or lack of it, then anything else.
But if I want to look at that wording... I would just assume movies that are on the edge of a Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down. but for me these don't come along much as I can usually make a clear choice for or against a movie after seeing it.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 11, 2019 5:55:11 GMT
I think the closest example I can give is Basic Instinct. Well directed, well acted, great score, good editing and cinematography...idiotic plot and script.
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