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Post by geode on Apr 12, 2017 19:00:12 GMT
...or is it just a matter of antiquity?
Scientology was created by L. Ron Hubbard in the mid-20th Century so its origins are well known. Mormonism started in the early 19th Century, and its origins are pretty well known. I have seen atheists claim that the coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a fraud that is known from evidence that is fairly modern, and basically can be used by analogy to show that other holy works such as the Bible and the Quran are of similar creation.
The older a religion is, the less is known due to its antiquity and the harder it is to come up with evidence to counter its claims. It does not make them any more true, just harder to prove untrue using historical evidence. Some will say that they all are an invention or creation of men, with no supernatural deity or entity behind them.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 12, 2017 22:01:46 GMT
I think of the older religions (particularly the Abrahamic ones) as a game of telephone. Now while Noah's Flood didn't actually happen (obviously), perhaps in the story there is some grain of truth here and there (perhaps there was an actual flood, maybe there was some guy carrying animals in his boat for whatever reason), over time these stories get told, passed down from person to person, each one giving their own spin on it, exaggerating the qualities of Noah until his story becomes a well known folklore and ancient scribes decide to write it down and make a collection with other folkore stories (the Bible)
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Post by clusium on Apr 12, 2017 22:14:06 GMT
...or is it just a matter of antiquity? Scientology was created by L. Ron Hubbard in the mid-20th Century so its origins are well known. Mormonism started in the early 19th Century, and its origins are pretty well known. I have seen atheists claim that the coming forth of the Book of Mormon is a fraud that is known from evidence that is fairly modern, and basically can be used by analogy to show that other holy works such as the Bible and the Quran are of similar creation. The older a religion is, the less is known due to its antiquity and the harder it is to come up with evidence to counter its claims. It does not make them any more true, just harder to prove untrue using historical evidence. Some will say that they all are an invention or creation of men, with no supernatural deity or entity behind them. Wicca was created by Gerald B. Gardner in the mid-20th century, also, right around the time L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology, but, it appears to gain more respect, because of the claim that it is "the Old Religion." |
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Post by phludowin on Apr 12, 2017 22:30:40 GMT
Wicca was created by Gerald B. Gardner in the mid-20th century, also, right around the time L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology, but, it appears to gain more respect, because of the claim that it is "the Old Religion." Or maybe because it is not known to scam its practisioners out of money, or alienating them from society through brainwashing, or claiming that homosexuality is a disease. |
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Post by clusium on Apr 12, 2017 22:39:10 GMT
Wicca was created by Gerald B. Gardner in the mid-20th century, also, right around the time L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology, but, it appears to gain more respect, because of the claim that it is "the Old Religion." Or maybe because it is not known to scam its practisioners out of money, or alienating them from society through brainwashing, or claiming that homosexuality is a disease. It was also founded by a dirty old man, who made the religion so that he could see naked ladies, & have sex with them. |
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Post by The Lost One on Apr 12, 2017 23:33:41 GMT
Wicca was created by Gerald B. Gardner in the mid-20th century, also, right around the time L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology, but, it appears to gain more respect, because of the claim that it is "the Old Religion." A lot of Wiccans admit the religion was largely Gardner's invention though. You won't get Mormons and Scientologists being so open. |
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Post by clusium on Apr 13, 2017 1:40:47 GMT
Wicca was created by Gerald B. Gardner in the mid-20th century, also, right around the time L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology, but, it appears to gain more respect, because of the claim that it is "the Old Religion." A lot of Wiccans admit the religion was largely Gardner's invention though. You won't get Mormons and Scientologists being so open. That's true. |
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Post by geode on Apr 13, 2017 20:02:05 GMT
A lot of Wiccans admit the religion was largely Gardner's invention though. You won't get Mormons and Scientologists being so open. That's true. A Mormon that had a website for other Mormons with questions about their faith, that was a resource for them to attempt to come to grips with all of it had a rather alternative viewpoint about LDS church origins, The Book of Mormon, etc. He ended up being excommunicated last year. |
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Post by Aj_June on Apr 14, 2017 13:12:05 GMT
...or is it just a matter of antiquity? The older a religion is, the less is known due to its antiquity and the harder it is to come up with evidence to counter its claims. It does not make them any more true, just harder to prove untrue using historical evidence. Some will say that they all are an invention or creation of men, with no supernatural deity or entity behind them. My personal view is that most religions are more or less equally true/false. They were all intended to lead humans closer to truth - truth as was perceived by the person/people who started those religions. Yes, the newer the religions are the easier it is disprove them (especially when those religions claim to have supernatural elements or the founder of those religions claimed to have supernatural elements). That is because of stronger records against the founder/founders of those religions. Another reason why they are dismissed by many people is that newer religions are perceived to deviate from commonly accepted norms of religion they claim to be based on. Before some JW/Isconite/Mormon says to me that their religion has not deviated from original religion but has actually given a better commentary of original text, I will like to say that it is not my opinion (except in case of Iskcon) but what I perceive is opinion of people who dismiss those religions. |
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