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Post by ck100 on Aug 30, 2019 18:14:11 GMT
www.yahoo.com/entertainment/j-j-abrams-says-rian-161404715.htmlSo no matter what you think of the creative choices Rian Johnson made with The Last Jedi, J.J Abrams says the story for Episode 9 proceeds as it was originally intended without Johnson's creative choices causing any negative impacts. Some people though are still concerned about Abrams and writer Chris Terrio possibly retconning any creative choices Johnson did with Last Jedi. I'm probably the only person who is actually OK with the creative choices Johnson did The Last Jedi (but that doesn't mean I agree with every single creative choice). I at least give him credit for taking some creative risks and not just playing things safe. Sure, by taking creative risks you won't please everyone, but risk is part of the game for making movies. Maybe this is why I like movies like Last Jedi and, say, Alien 3 compared to the majority of other people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:18:21 GMT
I think that in the long run TLJ will be far better appreciated. The Star Wars universe has gotten stale and it's the closest they've ever come to shaking it up a bit, aside from maybe Rogue One.
It's not a masterpiece by any stretch but I don't think it deserved the outright vitriol it received.
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Post by johnspartan on Aug 30, 2019 18:28:02 GMT
Star Wars was already derailed by JJ's The Force Awakens, but most people were too stupid to notice.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 30, 2019 18:28:28 GMT
I think that in the long run TLJ will be far better appreciated. The Star Wars universe has gotten stale and it's the closest they've ever come to shaking it up a bit, aside from maybe Rogue One. It's not a masterpiece by any stretch but I don't think it deserved the outright vitriol it received. To kind of go along with what you're saying, as well as with what I said, look at a sequel like Alien 3. Sure, it still has its detractors, but over the years people have revisited it and now it has its share of fans.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:29:56 GMT
I think that in the long run TLJ will be far better appreciated. The Star Wars universe has gotten stale and it's the closest they've ever come to shaking it up a bit, aside from maybe Rogue One. It's not a masterpiece by any stretch but I don't think it deserved the outright vitriol it received. To kind of go along with what you're saying, as well as with what I said, look at a sequel like Alien 3. Sure, it still has its detractors, but over the years people have revisited it and now it has its share of fans. I agree it's held up better but I'm not sure I'd compare the two. TLJ seems like a complete project whereas Alien 3 reeks of studio meddling throughout. If I recall correctly, Fincher disowned the film.
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Post by ck100 on Aug 30, 2019 18:38:36 GMT
To kind of go along with what you're saying, as well as with what I said, look at a sequel like Alien 3. Sure, it still has its detractors, but over the years people have revisited it and now it has its share of fans. I agree it's held up better but I'm not sure I'd compare the two. TLJ seems like a complete project whereas Alien 3 reeks of studio meddling throughout. If I recall correctly, Fincher disowned the film. I just meant that, like with Last Jedi, Alien 3 did have its share of creative choices made even if studio interference played a role in making the film. Some choices pissed people off while others admired the creative risks taken. I'm sure some choices were done at the hands of Fincher and the writer(s) of the movie. If the studio truly had its way, especially today, we would have just gotten another "Alien" or "Aliens" and the franchise wouldn't have been given to a music video director making his feature film debut.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:43:30 GMT
I agree it's held up better but I'm not sure I'd compare the two. TLJ seems like a complete project whereas Alien 3 reeks of studio meddling throughout. If I recall correctly, Fincher disowned the film. I just meant that, like with Last Jedi, Alien 3 did have its share of creative choices made even if studio interference played a role in making the film. Some choices pissed people off while others admired the creative risks taken. I'm sure some choices were done at the hands of Fincher and the writer(s) of the movie. If the studio truly had its way we would have gotten another "Alien" or "Aliens" and the franchise wouldn't have been given to a music video director. I suppose it might not have but Fincher is hardly the only director to come from music videos. I'm not sure if that was as widespread at the time but there's no shortage of successful (albeit not necessarily great) directors that got their start there. And I would consider Fincher a great director. I think the problem was that he didn't have the clout to make the picture he wanted to make. So it does feel a bit disjointed, as I recall. I'm with you as far as liking the film goes but I just think it's a different beast to TLJ which seems to have more of an authorial stamp on it by the director.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 30, 2019 18:45:36 GMT
I just meant that, like with Last Jedi, Alien 3 did have its share of creative choices made even if studio interference played a role in making the film. Some choices pissed people off while others admired the creative risks taken. I'm sure some choices were done at the hands of Fincher and the writer(s) of the movie. If the studio truly had its way we would have gotten another "Alien" or "Aliens" and the franchise wouldn't have been given to a music video director. I suppose it might not have but Fincher is hardly the only director to come from music videos. I'm not sure if that was as widespread at the time but there's no shortage of successful (albeit not necessarily great) directors that got their start there. And I would consider Fincher a great director. I think the problem was that he didn't have the clout to make the picture he wanted to make. So it does feel a bit disjointed, as I recall. I'm with you as far as liking the film goes but I just think it's a different beast to TLJ which seems to have more of an authorial stamp on it by the director. I don't like either version of Alien 3, but isn't The Assembly Cut the version people like?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:46:53 GMT
I suppose it might not have but Fincher is hardly the only director to come from music videos. I'm not sure if that was as widespread at the time but there's no shortage of successful (albeit not necessarily great) directors that got their start there. And I would consider Fincher a great director. I think the problem was that he didn't have the clout to make the picture he wanted to make. So it does feel a bit disjointed, as I recall. I'm with you as far as liking the film goes but I just think it's a different beast to TLJ which seems to have more of an authorial stamp on it by the director. I don't like either version of Alien 3, but isn't The Assembly Cut the version people like? I couldn't tell you. I'm not somebody that is devoted to the cult following; I just remember not hating it. I thought it was fine. Just messy.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Aug 30, 2019 18:48:34 GMT
Star Wars was already derailed by JJ's The Force Awakens, but most people were too stupid to notice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 18:52:01 GMT
I agree it's held up better but I'm not sure I'd compare the two. TLJ seems like a complete project whereas Alien 3 reeks of studio meddling throughout. If I recall correctly, Fincher disowned the film. You should see The Assembly Cut of "ALIEN 3" if you haven't already.
It is almost a Completely Different Movie.
I will at some point. I've not done a binge of the Alien flicks for a long time. So I don't feel too comfortable talking about Alien 3 as it's been over a decade since I've seen it.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Aug 30, 2019 20:58:07 GMT
Of course he didn’t.
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Post by janntosh on Aug 30, 2019 21:06:01 GMT
Lmao of course he is going to say that
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Post by janntosh on Aug 30, 2019 21:07:53 GMT
I think that in the long run TLJ will be far better appreciated. The Star Wars universe has gotten stale and it's the closest they've ever come to shaking it up a bit, aside from maybe Rogue One. It's not a masterpiece by any stretch but I don't think it deserved the outright vitriol it received. Once TROS likely retcons most of TLJ then TLJ will feel like the odd one out of the pack. In the end though this entire trilogy will be remembered as nothing but glorified fan fiction cash grabs and ROTJ still the real ending.
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Post by anthonyrocks on Aug 30, 2019 21:15:47 GMT
JJ Abrams is actually a Pretty Smart Filmmaker so I do suspect that if he had been the one to write and direct "THE LAST JEDI" then we may have gotten a Completely Different Movie.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Aug 30, 2019 21:19:27 GMT
It can't derail it, because JJ is ignoring it and undoing it.
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Post by vegalyra on Aug 30, 2019 23:12:49 GMT
Hey, as long as it has plenty of lens flares we're golden, right?
I'd like to be proven wrong and the series ends on a high note, but after 5 subpar films in a row (starting with Phantom Menace) I don't have a lot of "hope." Maybe I need "A New Hope?"
I honestly believe that 1 - 3 and 7 - 9 should all be remade after it's all been rethought and gels with the original trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 23:14:55 GMT
Well, he derailed my interest in it.
Not by itself. Rogue One was responsible for about 70% of my losing interest.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 23:17:40 GMT
JJ Abrams is actually a Pretty Smart Filmmaker so I do suspect that if he had been the one to write and direct " THE LAST JEDI" then we may have gotten a Completely Different Movie. He knows how to sell a product for the masses. That's for sure.
But, to be very honest, almost none of his movies/tv are rewatchable.
I can watch TLJ and enjoy it but for all the money and resources they have to make films like this, they are disappointments.
When a film like Star Wars, made in 1977, with such limited special effects, is miles better than TLJ, there is something wrong.
And it starts with the cast. Get some interesting actors and get rid of the British ones. They are the worst. They have no timing whatsoever.
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Post by darkpast on Aug 30, 2019 23:59:01 GMT
ST was fully planned out , what did you expect him to say? RJ fucked up our plans.
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