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Post by janntosh on Sept 6, 2019 12:21:48 GMT
Subplots from the book? Discuss
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 6, 2019 12:32:42 GMT
The movie did just fine without it.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Sept 6, 2019 13:03:19 GMT
No, it was just additional filler that worked on the book but would have taken away from the impact of the screen story. What works on the page doesn't always work on film.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 6, 2019 13:08:18 GMT
No, it was just additional filler that worked on the book but would have taken away from the impact of the screen story. What works on the page doesn't always work on film. It might work if Jaws was adapted as a mini-series. For a two hour film, it definitely would have lessened the story's main focus.
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Post by kuatorises on Sept 6, 2019 13:39:09 GMT
Subplots from the book? Discuss That sounds ridiculous and completely unnecessary.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Sept 6, 2019 19:53:46 GMT
No, the film is perfect as is.
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Post by Lebowskidoo π¦ on Sept 6, 2019 20:26:10 GMT
No, it would have made me hate the characters of Ellen and Hooper.
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Post by teleadm on Sept 6, 2019 20:32:49 GMT
There was such plots in the book?
If so they did the smart thing and cut those part out to make a better movie.
It might explain to why The Deep and The Island movies were never satisfactory.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 6, 2019 20:36:00 GMT
There was such plots in the book? If so they did the smart thing and cut those part out to make a better movie. It might explain to why The Deep and The Island movies were never satisfactory. Jaws could have been benefited from Jacqueline Bisset in a wet t-shirt.
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Post by Lebowskidoo π¦ on Sept 6, 2019 20:36:43 GMT
There was such plots in the book? If so they did the smart thing and cut those part out to make a better movie. It might explain to why The Deep and The Island movies were never satisfactory. It was the 70's - Sex sells!  I'm no prude, but the sex scenes seemed unnaturally dragged out and, well, boring and unnecessary.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 6, 2019 20:56:44 GMT
No-that subplot was awful.
I think having Hooper being mad about the dolphin would have added something extra to the character--however it would have made Quint more of an asshole.
I like the idea of the shark stopping just short of reaching Brody though. I had assumed that in the book Hooper had stabbed the shark with poison and that is what killed him but not so it seems.
Jaws 2 has some really good descriptive passages.
"Sidling aft along the narrow deck outboard of the cabin, he glanced at the shoreline. All the shoulder-to-shoulder communities lining Long Island dunes had always looked the same to him, but he was pretty sure he had anchored on the doorstep of Amity.
The Great White swam south, 20 feet below the surface, leaving Block Island to her right. She came left, dead on course for Mantauk Point.
She was gravid with young in both uteri and her hunger was overwhelming. She had fed last night off Natucket on as school of cod and all night long she had held course southwest along the coast of Rhode Island. She had swept into Newport Bay and found nothing, banked graceful like a cargo plane, and resumed her track south. Her six-foot high tail propelled her bulk with stiff, purposeful power.
Before her, an invisible cone of fear swept the sea clean, from bottom to surface. For a full mile ahead the ocean was emptying of life. Seals, porpoises, whales, squid, all fled. All had sensors-electro-magnetic, aural, vibratory, or psychic--which were heralding her coming. As she passed, the Atlantic refilled in her wake."
"Then he was borne aloft. He sensed that his ribs, lungs, spleen, kidneys, bowels, duodenum, were being squeezed firmly together as if in a giant hydraulic press. He felt no pain at all."
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Post by amyghost on Sept 6, 2019 20:59:49 GMT
Benchley had no ear for sex scenes. The Hooper/Mrs. Brody subplot was actively embarrassing, and sure wouldn't have added anything to the film.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 6, 2019 21:30:40 GMT
Brody had three sons in Jaws and only two in Jaws 2.
What happened to Martin Jr? Rubbed out by Mayor Vaughn's mafia friend?
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Post by James on Sept 6, 2019 21:31:43 GMT
Havenβt read the book but I have high doubts it would work on film.
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Post by Lebowskidoo π¦ on Sept 6, 2019 21:36:51 GMT
Brody had three sons in Jaws and only two in Jaws 2. What happened to Martin Jr? Rubbed out by Mayor Vaughn's mafia friend? And Amity was on Long Island, in New York state, not an island of its own in Massachusetts. Hooper went from being a stud to a nerdy shark geek.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 6, 2019 21:59:48 GMT
And Amity was on Long Island, in New York state, not an island of its own in Massachusetts. Hooper went from being a stud to a nerdy shark geek. Ha-I had assumed Amity was a real place! But then it didn't make sense all the fuss was about Martha's Vineyard and no one thought to visit the real place mentioned in the book. I wonder what area of Long Island would Amity have corresponded to. Like a particular town.
I have a 1975 book Man Eating Sharks which discusses the incident mentioned in the film as well as other shark attacks.
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Post by Lebowskidoo π¦ on Sept 6, 2019 22:15:00 GMT
And Amity was on Long Island, in New York state, not an island of its own in Massachusetts. Hooper went from being a stud to a nerdy shark geek. Ha-I had assumed Amity was a real place! But then it didn't make sense all the fuss was about Martha's Vineyard and no one thought to visit the real place mentioned in the book. I wonder what area of Long Island would Amity have corresponded to. Like a particular town.
I have a 1975 book Man Eating Sharks which discusses the incident mentioned in the film as well as other shark attacks.
Not certain but I seem to recall it being near Montauk.
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Post by kingkoopa on Sept 6, 2019 22:19:33 GMT
Pro - Could have provided more ambiguity in how much we want them to survive, and provide more character depth into who 'deserves' to survive.
Con - The movie is flawless as it is.
This reminds me of the debate over the cosmic turtle in "It." I can't imagine how this would make it to film and is more at home in the novel, though it does provide a little more evidence of the mystery of what Pennywise actually is. Or even better, Kubrick's "The Shining" (more grounded in reality) over the TV remake years later (that featured living hedge monsters). "Jurassic Park" and "Congo" are two others I can think of.
Some story elements that work well in novels can convolute a film. IMHO this simplifying (without dumbing down) is the trick to successfully adapting a book to film.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Sept 6, 2019 22:22:40 GMT
This reminds me of the debate over the cosmic turtle in "It." I can't imagine how this would make it to film and is more at home in the novel, though it does provide a little more evidence of the mystery of what Pennywise actually is. Or even better, Kubrick's "The Shining" (more grounded in reality) over the TV remake years later (that featured living hedge monsters). "Jurassic Park" and "Congo" are two others I can think of. Speaking of "It", I doubt any filmed version will ever feature the child sex scene. For good reason, too.
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Post by kingkoopa on Sept 6, 2019 22:34:20 GMT
This reminds me of the debate over the cosmic turtle in "It." I can't imagine how this would make it to film and is more at home in the novel, though it does provide a little more evidence of the mystery of what Pennywise actually is. Or even better, Kubrick's "The Shining" (more grounded in reality) over the TV remake years later (that featured living hedge monsters). "Jurassic Park" and "Congo" are two others I can think of. Speaking of "It", I doubt any filmed version will ever feature the child sex scene. For good reason, too. Perfect example. When the remake came out, I was practically praying to the cosmic turtle that the orgy was left out. And speaking of the turtle, I did appreciate (whether it was intentional or not) that green, domed tarp in the street for the Georgie scene. Looked suspiciously like a nod to the turtle.
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