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Post by nostromo on Sept 19, 2019 13:44:56 GMT
There should be no "culture" involved when devising a list called "The 100 greatest TV Shows this century". Else the list should be named "The 100 greatest TV Shows this century from a UK point of view". Any list which includes gogglebox and strictly come dancing (and no Dark, The Night Of, Gomorrah, Les Revanants, Too Old to die Young, Horace and Pete, Flowers, Euphoria, The Jinx, Mr Robot, Southland) should be treated with the utter contempt it deserves. I rarely watch t.v and while I have heard of some of the shows, can't personally comment on most of them. But any filmed show, movie or series, can only come about because of culture. Which has nothing to do with your original point, which was......the list showing bias due to the UK having a culture of watching English Language TV shows
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Post by nostromo on Sept 19, 2019 13:57:36 GMT
Which has nothing to do with your original point, which was......the list showing bias due to the UK having a culture of watching English Language TV shows The bias is your point not mine. I am only stating the most obvious reason why many of those shows were English language which is where your umbrage is stemming from. I am aware it is a list that holds no absolute, nor accurate conviction, just what has been deemed popular with viewers—this would have been gauged by ratings and enthusiasm, including non-english speaking countries—and that would include foreign speaking countries too.
You've even admitted that the list shows bias in your comments. If you asked 100 people in Portugal, or Colombia, or Japan what the 100 best tv shows of the last 20 years were - I guarantee that very few, if any would mention 'Gogglebox'. The list is aimed at white middle class people from the UK and as a result, is pathetic.
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Post by nostromo on Sept 19, 2019 14:22:41 GMT
You've even admitted that the list shows bias in your comments. If you asked 100 people in Portugal, or Colombia, or Japan what the 100 best tv shows of the last 20 years were - I guarantee that very few, if any would mention 'Gogglebox'. The list is aimed at white middle class people from the UK and as a result, is pathetic. Bias around popularity, because that is what resonates and popularity extends around the globe. If the list is pathetic, its not because of the shows being English language, its because best and popular are mutually exclusive and best can't be accurately gauged. No. It's not a case of arguing that Breaking Bad is better than The Sopranos. That's a question of popularity and opinion. This list is literally flawed. It's written for a very specific consumer base but passed off as definitive.
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Post by bluerisk on Sept 19, 2019 14:53:58 GMT
No love for Sci-Fi...
The Expanse is lacking. Period.
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2019 15:41:32 GMT
Being from a British publication, a very Brit-centric list, but contains many of my favourites that I doubt would be on a list outside the UK The ListColumbo The Twilight Zone Mary Tyler Moore Show Absolutely Fabulous The Golden Girls Charlie's Angels (first season only, the original trio was sublime) those are the best five shows ever, plus the one season of CA Though they wouldn't appear on this list as it's post 2000 shows.
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Post by sostie on Sept 19, 2019 15:47:12 GMT
Non English language speaking countries might also rate these shows higher than their own countries product, even if dubbed or subtitled into their own language? The culture IS a gravitation towards many English language shows that connect with many viewers of many nationalities around the world. There should be no "culture" involved when devising a list called "The 100 greatest TV Shows this century". Else the list should be named "The 100 greatest TV Shows this century from a UK point of view". Well of course it is, it goes without saying...it's from a British publication, which I alluded to in my first post' The interest me because it has shows I love that would not appear on a list in any other country. So any list that doesn't have what you like and excludes what you don't must be treated with contempt basically.
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Post by nostromo on Sept 19, 2019 16:07:33 GMT
There should be no "culture" involved when devising a list called "The 100 greatest TV Shows this century". Else the list should be named "The 100 greatest TV Shows this century from a UK point of view". Well of course it is, it goes without saying...it's from a British publication, which I alluded to in my first post' The interest me because it has shows I love that would not appear on a list in any other country. So any list that doesn't have what you like and excludes what you don't must be treated with contempt basically. No, that's not right. What I like is irrelevant. The issue is - that list is localized. To the UK. It's therefore not doing what it says it's doing.
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Post by soullimbo on Sept 20, 2019 1:20:44 GMT
This list cannot be taken seriously, it's as simple as that....regardless of whether it is aimed at the British middle class, regardless of tastes.
Any list or article which claims that Strictly come dancing is better than Dexter / The IT crowd / The Newsroom ,to name but a few, has obviously been written by someone with an IQ yet to reach triple figures. As Del Boy once said: "you know how some people are born a few bob short of a pound? well, in his case God added VAT", this perfectly describes whoever came up with this.
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Post by 5hole on Sept 20, 2019 16:48:32 GMT
Not terrible. Not great.
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Post by MrFurious on Sept 20, 2019 20:39:00 GMT
Well done Soprano's.  |
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Post by NewtJorden on Sept 20, 2019 22:58:00 GMT
Why is Freaks and Geeks on this list if its supposed to be 21st Century?
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 21, 2019 16:20:50 GMT
List of awards and nominations received by Battlestar Galactica
Wins
2005
Hugo Awards, Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form ("33")
Spacey Awards, Favorite Limited TV Series
Peabody Award[1]
2006
IGN Awards, Best Television Program
IGN Awards, Best Sci-Fi Series
IGN Awards, Best Storyline (New Caprica arc)
IGN Awards, Editor's Choice Award (Occupation/Precipice)[2]
IGN Awards, Editor's Choice Award (Exodus, Part 2)[3]
Leo Awards, Best Lead Performance By A Female in a Dramatic Series, Tricia Helfer ("Pegasus")
Saturn Awards, Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series
Saturn Awards, Best Supporting Actor on Television, James Callis
Saturn Awards, Best Supporting Actress on Television, Katee Sackhoff
Scream Awards, Best Television Show
Scream Awards, Most Heroic Performance, Edward James Olmos as Commander William Adama
Spacey Awards, Best Television Show
VES Awards, Outstanding Animated Character in a Live Action Broadcast Program, Commercial, or Music Video (Cylon Centurion in "Fragged")
2007
ALMA Awards, Outstanding Actor in a TV series, mini-series, or TV movie, Edward James Olmos
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series ("Exodus, Part 2")
RedEye, Best TV Character, Kara Thrace a.k.a. Starbuck[4]
Saturn Awards, Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series
VES Awards, Outstanding Models and Miniatures in a Broadcast Program ("Resurrection Ship, Part 2")
VES Awards, Outstanding Visual Effects in a Broadcast Series, Commercial, or Music Video ("Exodus, Part 1")
2008
ALMA Awards, Outstanding Actor in a Drama Television Series, Edward James Olmos
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Class - Short-format Live-action Entertainment Programs ("Razor Featurette #4")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series ("He That Believeth in Me")
VES Awards, Outstanding Visual Effects in a Broadcast Miniseries, Movie or Special (Razor)
2009
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Sound Editing For A Series ("Daybreak: Part 2")[5]
Golden Reel Awards, Best Sound Editing - Short Form Sound Effects and Foley in Television ("He That Believeth in Me")
Saturn Awards, Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series
Saturn Awards, Best Television Actor, Edward James Olmos
Saturn Awards, Best Television Actress, Mary McDonnell
Television Critics Association Awards, Program of the Year
VES Award, Outstanding Visual Effects in a Broadcast Series ("BSG space battle, season four")
Nominations
2005
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series ("33")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series ("The Hand of God")
Nebula Awards, Best Script ("Act of Contrition/You Can't Go Home Again" by Carla Robinson & Bradley Thompson & David Weddle)
VES Awards, Outstanding Performance by an Animated Character in a Live Act on Broadcast Program ("33")
2006
ALMA Awards, Outstanding Actor in a Television Series, Edward James Olmos
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Visual Effects for a Series ("Resurrection Ship, Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Costumes for a Series ("Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Single-Camera Sound Mixing for a Series ("Scattered")
Hugo Awards, Best Dramatic Presentation - Short Form ("Pegasus")
Nebula Awards, Best Script ("Unfinished Business" by Michael Taylor)
Scream Awards, Most Heroic Performance, Edward James Olmos as Commander William Adama
Scream Awards, Breakout Performance, Tricia Helfer as Number Six
Scream Awards, Breakout Performance, Katee Sackhoff as Starbuck
Saturn Awards, Best Supporting Actor on Television, Jamie Bamber
Saturn Awards, Best Television Release on DVD (Season 1)
Saturn Awards, Best Television Release on DVD (Season 2.0)
VES Awards, Outstanding Animated Character in a Live Action Broadcast Program, Commercial, or Music Video (Cylon in "Valley of Darkness")
2007
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series ("Exodus, Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series ("Occupation/Precipice")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Sound Editing for a Series ("Exodus, Part 2")
Hugo Awards, Best Dramatic Presentation - Short Form ("Downloaded")
Saturn Awards, Best Actor in a Television Program, Edward James Olmos
Saturn Awards, Best Actress in a Television Program, Katee Sackhoff
Saturn Awards, Best Supporting Actor in a Television Program, James Callis
Scream Awards, The Ultimate Scream
Scream Awards, Best Television Show
Spacey Awards, Favourite Character You Love to Hate, Gaius Baltar
VES Awards, Outstanding Animated Character in a Live Action Broadcast Program, Commercial or Music Video ("Downloaded")
VES Awards, Outstanding Compositing in a Broadcast Program, Commercial or Music Video ("Resurrection Ship, Part 2")
Writers Guild of America, Television Award ("Occupation/Precipice")
2008
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Cinematography for a One Hour Series (Razor)
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Sound Mixing for a Comedy or Drama Series (one-hour) (Razor)
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Writing for a Drama Series ("Six of One")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Single-camera Picture Editing for a Drama Series ("He That Believeth in Me")
Hugo Awards, Best Dramatic Presentation - Short Form (Razor)
People's Choice Awards, Favorite Sci-Fi Show
Saturn Awards, Best Syndicated/Cable Television Series
Saturn Awards, Best Television Presentation (Razor)
Saturn Awards, Best Television Actor, Edward James Olmos
Scream Awards, Best Television Actress, Tricia Helfer
Scream Awards, Best Television Actor, Edward James Olmos
Scream Awards, Best Television Show
VES Awards, Outstanding Visual Effects in a Broadcast Series ("Maelstrom")
2009
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Directing for a Drama Series ("Daybreak: Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Single-Camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series ("Daybreak: Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Comedy Or Drama Series (One Hour) ("Daybreak: Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Visual Effects For A Series ("Daybreak: Part 2")
Emmy Awards, Outstanding Special Class - Short-format Live-Action Entertainment Programs ("Battlestar Galactica: The Face of the Enemy")
Hugo Awards, Best Dramatic Presentation - Short Form ("Revelations")
Saturn Awards, Best Television Supporting Actress, Katee Sackhoff
Scream Awards, Best Ensemble
Scream Awards, Best Science Fiction Actress, Katee Sackhoff
VES Awards, Outstanding Visual Effects in a Broadcast Series
Other honors
2005
American Film Institute's Top 10 Television Shows of the Year[6]
American Film Institute's Moments of significance 2005: Movies and Television Picture a Post 9/11 World
Time's Best of 2005: Television (#1)[7]
TV Guide's and TV Land's The 100 Most Unexpected TV Moments for "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part 2" (#98)
Chicago Tribune's Top 10 TV shows of 2005[8]
Newsday's Top 10 TV shows of 2005 (#1)[9]
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Top 10 TV shows of 2005 (#1)[10]
2006
American Film Institute's Top 10 Television Shows of the Year[11]
Time's Best of 2006: Television (#7)[12]
Chicago Tribune's Top 10 TV shows of 2006[13]
Entertainment Weekly's Top 10 TV Shows of 2006 (#3)[12]
Metacritic's Top TV shows of 2006 (#2)
Arizona Republic's Top 10 TV shows of 2006 (#7)
Newsday's Top 10 TV Shows of 2006 (#3)[12]
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's Top 10 TV shows of 2006 (#3)
San Jose Mercury-News's Top TV shows of 2006 (#5)
Salon.com Buffy Award for Season 3 of Battlestar Galactica "the most underappreciated show in all of TV land"
TV Guide's Top 10 TV Shows of 2006 (#5)[12]
2007
Entertainment Weekly, Best 25 Science Fiction of the Past 25 Years (#2)
Time's The 100 Best TV Shows of All-TIME[14]
The New York Times' Top 10 TV Shows of 2007 (#8)[15]
Box Office Prophets's Calvin Awards, Best Television Show (#1)[16]
2008
Time's Top 10 TV Series of 2008 (#8)[17]
Time's Top 10 TV Episodes of 2008 (#6 - "Revelations")[18]
Chicago Tribune's Top 10 TV shows of 2008 (#3) [19]
TV Guide's Best Shows of 2008[20]
New Jersey Star-Ledger's Top 10 TV shows of 2008 (#7)
Television Without Pity's Tubey Awards: Best Drama,[21] Best Cast[22]
San Francisco Chronicle's Top 25 TV shows of 2008 (#4)[23]
Box Office Prophets's Calvin Awards, Best Television Show (#3)[24]
2009
Time "Top 10 TV Series of 2009" (#5)[25]
AOL's 50 Best TV Dramas Ever (#12)[26]
TV Guide "Top 100 [U.S.] Episodes of All-Time (2009)". (Blood on the Scales, #43)
2010
Boston.com "Top 50 Science Fiction Television Shows of All Time" (#1)[27]
2011
IGN.com "Top 50 Sci-Fi Shows" (#1) [28]
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