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Post by CrepedCrusader on Sept 20, 2019 19:59:32 GMT
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Post by darkpast on Sept 21, 2019 12:57:08 GMT
Even if he did, no employed Lucasfilm person would admit it
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 21, 2019 14:52:41 GMT
Why would we care either way? Abrams saying that doesn't explain away Rian Johnson's terrible writing. Abrams is continuing that story with his next movie, so why would he shoot himself in the foot by saying 8 was a bad movie? It's in his best interest that 9 does well, and drumming up negative press wouldn't help that. As they say in Hollywood, "You're only as good as your last movie."
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Post by Jan El Señor on Sept 21, 2019 17:00:48 GMT
Never knew this was a theory.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 25, 2019 16:12:31 GMT
It's not the first time that I've heard of this story: www.indiewire.com/2019/08/jj-abrams-rian-johnson-derail-star-wars-story-1202169944/The first thing you might ask is if it's true or is Abrams and co. just saying this for PR reasons. But let's assume that it is true. Personally I think Abrams and company should've continued to hold their tongue on this. And here's why. On the surface this looks like a positive move that shows unity and consistency between Abrams and Johnson, and the overall creative vision of the trilogy. But if it's true then it implies that Abrams would've made TLJ essentially the same way, with perhaps some minor differences. That means that Abrams, just like Rian Johnson, would not have provided answers to most of his plots involving certain characters and storylines. He would've killed off or abruptly ended a lot of things (and often made use of subversion), just like Rian. All of that lends to the theory that the primary reason Abrams didn't do TLJ is because he knew it was going to get backlash for subverting his own mystery box storylines. And for writing Luke Skywalker in a much more negative and inept tone than was originally intended. So he and Kathleen Kennedy hired Rian to do it and take all of the heat for it. A promise to get his own trilogy sealed the deal. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Sept 25, 2019 18:59:40 GMT
It's not the first time that I've heard of this story: www.indiewire.com/2019/08/jj-abrams-rian-johnson-derail-star-wars-story-1202169944/The first thing you might ask is if it's true or is Abrams and co. just saying this for PR reasons. But let's assume that it is true. Personally I think Abrams and company should've continued to hold their tongue on this. And here's why. On the surface this looks like a positive move that shows unity and consistency between Abrams and Johnson, and the overall creative vision of the trilogy. But if it's true then it implies that Abrams would've made TLJ essentially the same way, with perhaps some minor differences. That means that Abrams, just like Rian Johnson, would not have provided answers to most of his plots involving certain characters and storylines. He would've killed off or abruptly ended a lot of things (and often made use of subversion), just like Rian. All of that lends to the theory that the primary reason Abrams didn't do TLJ is because he knew it was going to get backlash for subverting his own mystery box storylines. And for writing Luke Skywalker in a much more negative and inept tone than was originally intended. So he and Kathleen Kennedy hired Rian to do it and take all of the heat for it. A promise to get his own trilogy sealed the deal. The reason (at least on record) he didn't do 8 is that Abrams had done several movies back-to-back without a vacation, and he wanted to get away with his family for some R&R. He was going to do that prior to signing on to Episode 7 but Kennedy got him too excited with her " Who is Luke Skywalker?" sales pitch. In hindsight, that question should have been a clear indicator of what was in store for the new trilogy... 
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 1:41:55 GMT
"Internet will internet."
That statement needs to be over the door of anyone brave enough to take on a Star Wars film.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Sept 26, 2019 4:28:42 GMT
It's not the first time that I've heard of this story: www.indiewire.com/2019/08/jj-abrams-rian-johnson-derail-star-wars-story-1202169944/The first thing you might ask is if it's true or is Abrams and co. just saying this for PR reasons. But let's assume that it is true. Personally I think Abrams and company should've continued to hold their tongue on this. And here's why. On the surface this looks like a positive move that shows unity and consistency between Abrams and Johnson, and the overall creative vision of the trilogy. But if it's true then it implies that Abrams would've made TLJ essentially the same way, with perhaps some minor differences. That means that Abrams, just like Rian Johnson, would not have provided answers to most of his plots involving certain characters and storylines. He would've killed off or abruptly ended a lot of things (and often made use of subversion), just like Rian. All of that lends to the theory that the primary reason Abrams didn't do TLJ is because he knew it was going to get backlash for subverting his own mystery box storylines. And for writing Luke Skywalker in a much more negative and inept tone than was originally intended. So he and Kathleen Kennedy hired Rian to do it and take all of the heat for it. A promise to get his own trilogy sealed the deal. The reason (at least on record) he didn't do 8 is that Abrams had done several movies back-to-back without a vacation, and he wanted to get away with his family for some R&R. He was going to do that prior to signing on to Episode 7 but Kennedy got him too excited with her " Who is Luke Skywalker?" sales pitch. In hindsight, that question should have been a clear indicator of what was in store for the new trilogy... Ah, okay. Yeah, that question is rather revealing. And it does speak to the questionable (and controversial) handling of the writing. I can't help but wonder how this trilogy would've turned out if they had hired some talented EU writers as cowriters. Maybe Zahn, Crispin, etc. But what we got in review: Michael Arndt = The missing map pieces/The search for Luke (TFA) Lawrence Kasdan = Kylo Ren (TFA) George Lucas = The concept of Rey (TFA) Kathleen Kennedy (influence) = modified Rey's characterization to Disney warrior princess archetype JJ Abrams = Modifying Rey; death of Han Solo; BB8; Snoke; rehash ANH (TFA) Rian Johnson = Holdo; Rose; killed off Snoke, Phasma, Ackbar, and Rey's search for her parents. Killed off Luke and made him a Force ghost. Modified Luke's character to be more self defeated and inept, farther from his OT persona. Awkward humor. (TLJ) Kathleen Kennedy (influence) = Modified Luke's characterization by way of Rian Johnson (TLJ) Colin Trevorrow = Was hired to write episode 9. His concept for Luke's character was to have him reach episode 9 coming through TLJ as having been truer to the traits, virtues, and characteristics of the OT Luke. That clashed with Kennedy and Johnson's interpretation (although it met with Hamill's approval). He was fired for it. JJ Abrams = rehashing Lando; (rumored) rehashing Palpatine; ?? (TROS) Can Abrams (and Terrio) write enough good original material around Rey, Kylo, and a rehashed Palpatine to put a satisfactory bow on this trilogy? I guess we'll see.
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