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Post by Huxley on Oct 11, 2019 20:01:29 GMT
I've heard atheist refer to God as Sky-daddy. When you really have your back to the wall, who do you call on? Your own ability? It's limited, very limited. Who?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 20:23:22 GMT
Why don't you believe in God? I don't believe in god because as a general rule, I don't believe in any objective proposition unless I have solid evidence to support it. It's the same reason I don't believe in Unicorns, Bigfoot, Atlantis, the Loch Ness Monster, Fairies, Xenu, etc. Many theists themselves associate heaven as being somewhere 'up in the sky' and god as living there. Whatever the reason for that, the phrase is meant to mock the idea. Depends on the situation. I call on myself, mostly. Sometimes I call on my friends, my family, elements of my society like the police, the government, etc. Limited? Of course. Most everything is limited in some way. But thus far, the above has sufficed.
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Post by Isapop on Oct 11, 2019 22:00:59 GMT
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Post by Catman on Oct 11, 2019 22:07:03 GMT
911!
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Post by progressiveelement on Oct 11, 2019 23:07:35 GMT
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 11, 2019 23:12:00 GMT
Carrot Top's career
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Post by Huxley on Oct 11, 2019 23:35:27 GMT
Why don't you believe in God? I don't believe in god because as a general rule, I don't believe in any objective proposition unless I have solid evidence to support it. It's the same reason I don't believe in Unicorns, Bigfoot, Atlantis, the Loch Ness Monster, Fairies, Xenu, etc. Many theists themselves associate heaven as being somewhere 'up in the sky' and god as living there. Whatever the reason for that, the phrase is meant to mock the idea. Depends on the situation. I call on myself, mostly. Sometimes I call on my friends, my family, elements of my society like the police, the government, etc. Limited? Of course. Most everything is limited in some way. But thus far, the above has sufficed. Do you believe in germs, radiation and other things you can't see?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 23:47:14 GMT
Do you believe in germs, radiation and other things you can't see? Your question does not address what I said. I didn't say "I don't believe in any objective proposition unless I can see it." I said "I don't believe in any objective proposition unless I have solid evidence to support it." I have solid evidence of germs, radiation, wind, blue whales, Angelina Jolie, the USA, and many other things that I haven't personally seen with my eyes. I have no solid evidence of god's existence. ETA : Incidentally, I really like your avatar. It's beautiful!
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 12, 2019 3:55:36 GMT
I've heard atheist refer to God as Sky-daddy. When you really have your back to the wall, who do you call on? Your own ability? It's limited, very limited. Who? I use things that are real. My own ability, friends, family, etc. I do not appeal to something I consider imaginary. I don’t need it to feel comfortable or confident or hopeful. I simply accept things for what they are and the idea of a god feels about as helpful as say, going to a psychic, assuming you don’t think psychics are real. I don’t believe in god because no reason Ive ever heard for thinking there was one was convincing. I’ve talked to many many theists and aside from indoctrination, I really don’t know why any of them still believe it. It seems like part of the ancient past that somehow has just stuck around and I don’t see anything different about modern beliefs than the stone age chariot for the sun ideas that we both agree are complete fiction
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 12, 2019 4:01:29 GMT
This
Sight really has very little to do with it. Otherwise you’re saying a blind person can never know anything.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 12, 2019 8:34:40 GMT
I think some people are, through a mixture of nature and nurture, inclined to have a religious frame of mind and some are not. I think those of a religious frame of mind latch on to the concept of God prevalent in their culture. Where there isn't such a concept they can be drawn towards things like new age beliefs, ufology, cults of personality, state idealism and celeb culture.
Don't have that inclination and these things seem ridiculous. I don't actually think people are convinced all that much by arguments either way - these arguments are crutches to support their inclination towards belief or disbelief.
Of course I could be talking complete crap here but that's how it seems to me.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 12, 2019 12:34:15 GMT
I think some people are, through a mixture of nature and nurture, inclined to have a religious frame of mind and some are not. I think those of a religious frame of mind latch on to the concept of God prevalent in their culture. Where there isn't such a concept they can be drawn towards things like new age beliefs, ufology, cults of personality, state idealism and celeb culture. Don't have that inclination and these things seem ridiculous. I don't actually think people are convinced all that much by arguments either way - these arguments are crutches to support their inclination towards belief or disbelief. Of course I could be talking complete crap here but that's how it seems to me. I think you’re largely right that there is some type of inclination, although I feel a lot of it is learned behavior, teaching people to think in a certain way from an early age. If somehow you could raise a generation in modern society with no knowledge of religion, I don’t think they would come up with the idea of a god nowadays, at least not on a massive scale. I would just point out that being an atheist is not about being convinced by an argument really, it’s just about the recognition that if you cannot use evidence of any kind to demonstrate that a claim is true or even just possible, then accepting that claim as true is an irrational position to take. So in the case of god, can anybody demonstrate that such a thing exists? I think most everybody, even those who believe it would agree they nobody has demonstrated that. And if you agree that nobody has demonstrated that, then I respectfully submit that you are admitting that there is no valid reason to believe it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2019 13:28:44 GMT
I've heard atheist refer to God as Sky-daddy. When you really have your back to the wall, who do you call on? Your own ability? It's limited, very limited. Who? I think this video explains what atheists think.
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Post by Huxley on Oct 12, 2019 14:19:50 GMT
I've heard atheist refer to God as Sky-daddy. When you really have your back to the wall, who do you call on? Your own ability? It's limited, very limited. Who? I think this video explains what atheists think. I think I've seen that before, it's funny. I was raised in a Catholic family. Went to Catholic schools and church to of course. Suffered abuse at the hands of the nuns and especially one priest. To call yourself Father is an insult to yourself.
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Post by Huxley on Oct 12, 2019 14:28:38 GMT
I've heard atheist refer to God as Sky-daddy. When you really have your back to the wall, who do you call on? Your own ability? It's limited, very limited. Who?Who are you to say who's ability is limited and in what sense? That is your own limited mind projection and fight for them, you will keep them. There aint' no savior sunshine and least of all your sky daddy. Aren't you afraid SkyDaddy will get even with you. I wouldn't want that hanging over my head but good luck to you.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 12, 2019 15:18:20 GMT
Who are you to say who's ability is limited and in what sense? That is your own limited mind projection and fight for them, you will keep them. There aint' no savior sunshine and least of all your sky daddy. Aren't you afraid SkyDaddy will get even with you. I wouldn't want that hanging over my head but good luck to you. why would I be afraid of an imaginary space wizard? Also if this being does exist and cares whether I believe in him or not then he’s an asshole.
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Post by Huxley on Oct 12, 2019 15:22:06 GMT
Aren't you afraid SkyDaddy will get even with you. I wouldn't want that hanging over my head but good luck to you. why would I be afraid of an imaginary space wizard? Also if this being does exist and cares whether I believe in him or not then he’s an asshole. OMG. You are awful.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 12, 2019 15:26:35 GMT
why would I be afraid of an imaginary space wizard? Also if this being does exist and cares whether I believe in him or not then he’s an asshole. OMG. You are awful. That isn’t awful. What is awful is the idea that not believing in him would somehow result in torture. What a terrible belief.
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Post by Huxley on Oct 12, 2019 15:36:18 GMT
That isn’t awful. What is awful is the idea that not believing in him would somehow result in torture. What a terrible belief. I went to Catholic Church and School. Once I got out on my own I was like you. I turned my back on God. Something happened later in my life that changed me. I will not share it. I just pray that you're as smart as you think you are.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Oct 12, 2019 15:38:55 GMT
That isn’t awful. What is awful is the idea that not believing in him would somehow result in torture. What a terrible belief. I went to Catholic Church and School. Once I got out on my own I was like you. I turned my back on God. Something happened later in my life that changed me. I will not share it. I just pray that you're as smart as you think you are. Ok but to answer your original question, the “something happened to me” stories aren’t verifiable evidence of a god so we don’t believe them. I’m not saying I’m smarter. I’m saying they aren’t believable stories. The same with prayer. There is no demonstrable study that shows it has any effect so we don’t believe it.
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