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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 13, 2019 15:30:27 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/50035304Kenya's Brigid Kosgei eclipsed the 16-year-old women's marathon world record held by Britain's Paula Radcliffe as she retained her Chicago title. The 25-year-old recorded a time of two hours 14 minutes 04 seconds, easily inside Radcliffe's mark of 2:15:25 set at the London Marathon in 2003. It adds to the Kenyan's win in London this year when she clocked 2:18:20 and became the youngest winner of the race. Ethiopa's Ababel Yeshaneh was second in Chicago, six minutes 47 seconds behind. Radcliffe's 2003 time was longest-standing marathon world record by either men or women in the post-war era.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 13, 2019 16:13:00 GMT
Isn't the guy the first to run a marathon in under 2 hours?
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Post by DrKrippen on Oct 13, 2019 16:47:48 GMT
Isn't the guy the first to run a marathon in under 2 hours? That was total bullshit. It's not recognized as a world record. He was the only one running, he had groups of "pacers" who would run four or five miles then leave with other "pacers" come on to help him. He ran a specially picked route that was completely flat and presented no challenges and he ran in shoes with something that provided extra spring in his heels. It was just a stunt.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 13, 2019 17:15:52 GMT
Isn't the guy the first to run a marathon in under 2 hours? That was total bullshit. It's not recognized as a world record. He was the only one running, he had groups of "pacers" who would run four or five miles then leave with other "pacers" come on to help him. He ran a specially picked route that was completely flat and presented no challenges and he ran in shoes with something that provided extra spring in his heels. It was just a stunt. But funnily enough, Brigid Kosgei is now recognised (for the time being) as the Women's World Record holder! |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 13, 2019 17:17:53 GMT
Isn't the guy the first to run a marathon in under 2 hours? That was total bullshit. It's not recognized as a world record. He was the only one running, he had groups of "pacers" who would run four or five miles then leave with other "pacers" come on to help him. He ran a specially picked route that was completely flat and presented no challenges and he ran in shoes with something that provided extra spring in his heels. It was just a stunt. I'm lost. I mean - he didn't get in a car or a bike to finish - and he ran the whole race himself - or no?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 13, 2019 17:47:51 GMT
That was total bullshit. It's not recognized as a world record. He was the only one running, he had groups of "pacers" who would run four or five miles then leave with other "pacers" come on to help him. He ran a specially picked route that was completely flat and presented no challenges and he ran in shoes with something that provided extra spring in his heels. It was just a stunt. I'm lost. I mean - he didn't get in a car or a bike to finish - and he ran the whole race himself - or no? He did, but he had a dedicated team of pacemakers who were allowed to drop out and then resume later. Because of that it won’t be recognised as an official WR. They knew that beforehand though.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 13, 2019 17:54:48 GMT
I'm lost. I mean - he didn't get in a car or a bike to finish - and he ran the whole race himself - or no? He did, but he had a dedicated team of pacemakers who were allowed to drop out and then resume later. Because of that it won’t be recognised as an official WR. They knew that beforehand though.
I could be wrong about this, but as far as I know there is no such thing as an official World Record for the marathon, since the different courses vary so wildly - not like other races ran on a track.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 13, 2019 17:57:54 GMT
I'm lost. I mean - he didn't get in a car or a bike to finish - and he ran the whole race himself - or no? He did, but he had a dedicated team of pacemakers who were allowed to drop out and then resume later. Because of that it won’t be recognised as an official WR. They knew that beforehand though. I'm still lost. Did these pacemakers put him on their back and carry him for a portion of the race?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Oct 13, 2019 18:06:13 GMT
He did, but he had a dedicated team of pacemakers who were allowed to drop out and then resume later. Because of that it won’t be recognised as an official WR. They knew that beforehand though.
I could be wrong about this, but as far as I know there is no such thing as an official World Record for the marathon, since the different courses vary so wildly - not like other races ran on a track.
There is now I think. Used to be called World’s best time but they changed it to WR a few years ago. There are various requirements for a course to be eligible for a WR time ... the Boston marathon course doesn’t meet those requirements.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 13, 2019 19:00:17 GMT
He did, but he had a dedicated team of pacemakers who were allowed to drop out and then resume later. Because of that it won’t be recognised as an official WR. They knew that beforehand though. I'm still lost. Did these pacemakers put him on their back and carry him for a portion of the race? It's all a bit of a mess because this having constant pacemakers was one of the key reasons why Kipchoge's run wouldn't be considered a World Record. Contrast that with Brigid Kosgei today who was paced the *ENTIRE DISTANCE by two male pacemakers and is now the World Record holder. Poor old Mary Keitany has to settle for the "Women-Only" (women ONLY in a women's race?!! 🤔) World Record. So by the IAAF's own standards:- Man Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✖️ Woman Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✔️ (Edit: * Wee disclaimer - the dudes stepped aside for maybe the last 10 mins...) |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 13, 2019 19:05:01 GMT
I'm still lost. Did these pacemakers put him on their back and carry him for a portion of the race? It's all a bit of a mess because this having constant pacemakers was one of the key reasons why Kipchoge's run wouldn't be considered a World Record. Contrast that with Brigid Kosgei today who was paced the ENTIRE DISTANCE by two male pacemakers and is now the World Record holder. Poor old Mary Keitany has to settle for the "Women-Only" (women ONLY in a women's race?!! 🤔) World Record. So by the IAAF's own standards:- Man Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✖️ Woman Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✔️ i think part of my confusion lies in that i don't know what a pacemaker is or does. is it like a coach who runs next to you? are they there for a period of time for some type of support or guidance?
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 13, 2019 19:11:59 GMT
It's all a bit of a mess because this having constant pacemakers was one of the key reasons why Kipchoge's run wouldn't be considered a World Record. Contrast that with Brigid Kosgei today who was paced the ENTIRE DISTANCE by two male pacemakers and is now the World Record holder. Poor old Mary Keitany has to settle for the "Women-Only" (women ONLY in a women's race?!! 🤔) World Record. So by the IAAF's own standards:- Man Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✖️ Woman Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✔️ i think part of my confusion lies in that i don't know what a pacemaker is or does. is it like a coach who runs next to you? are they there for a period of time for some type of support or guidance? They're supposed to be there to set a specific pace - so if you were going for the 1,500m world record say, they'd run at a hard pace to do that for maybe 3 and a bit laps then pull off. You'd sit in behind them befitting from the drafting energy savings then take over when they were spent to finish the job and take the World Record hopefully. It's a bit more of pronounced benefit over the much longer marathon distance, where being out of a stadium you could also benefit from wind resistance as well if going into a headwind. It just seems odd that it's ok for Women to be allowed this benefit the entire way... Oh and you do get the occasion hilarious race when the pacemaker just keeps going and wins themselves! |
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Oct 13, 2019 19:14:43 GMT
I'm still lost. Did these pacemakers put him on their back and carry him for a portion of the race? It's all a bit of a mess because this having constant pacemakers was one of the key reasons why Kipchoge's run wouldn't be considered a World Record. Contrast that with Brigid Kosgei today who was paced the ENTIRE DISTANCE by two male pacemakers and is now the World Record holder. Poor old Mary Keitany has to settle for the "Women-Only" (women ONLY in a women's race?!! 🤔) World Record. So by the IAAF's own standards:- Man Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✖️ Woman Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✔️ Were the two male pacemakers put there with the sole intent of providing her with a reference for her to pace herself, or were they competitors running the same race? |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 13, 2019 19:20:15 GMT
i think part of my confusion lies in that i don't know what a pacemaker is or does. is it like a coach who runs next to you? are they there for a period of time for some type of support or guidance? They're supposed to be there to set a specific pace - so if you were going for the 1,500m world record say, they'd run at a hard pace to do that for maybe 3 and a bit laps then pull off. You'd sit in behind them befitting from the drafting energy savings then take over when they were spent to finish the job and take the World Record hopefully. It's a bit more of pronounced benefit over the much longer marathon distance, where being out of a stadium you could also benefit from wind resistance as well if going into a headwind. It just seems odd that it's ok for Women to be allowed this benefit the entire way... Oh and you do get the occasion hilarious race when the pacemaker just keeps going and wins themselves! can't i just run a race all by myself? or can't i just ignore the 'pacemakers'? i don't understand the point of them. i mean - running is an individual sport, no? why are they needed?
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 13, 2019 19:29:40 GMT
It's all a bit of a mess because this having constant pacemakers was one of the key reasons why Kipchoge's run wouldn't be considered a World Record. Contrast that with Brigid Kosgei today who was paced the ENTIRE DISTANCE by two male pacemakers and is now the World Record holder. Poor old Mary Keitany has to settle for the "Women-Only" (women ONLY in a women's race?!! 🤔) World Record. So by the IAAF's own standards:- Man Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✖️ Woman Paced the Entire Marathon Distance ✔️ Were the two male pacemakers put there with the sole intent of providing her with a reference for her to pace herself, or were they competitors running the same race? They were specifically there to pace her. As far as I remember having male pacers was going to be outlawed but that was going to mean removing Paula Radcliffe's record from the books which caused a huge outcry. The outcome being two records - The World Record and the Women-Only World Record. |
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 13, 2019 19:31:31 GMT
They're supposed to be there to set a specific pace - so if you were going for the 1,500m world record say, they'd run at a hard pace to do that for maybe 3 and a bit laps then pull off. You'd sit in behind them befitting from the drafting energy savings then take over when they were spent to finish the job and take the World Record hopefully. It's a bit more of pronounced benefit over the much longer marathon distance, where being out of a stadium you could also benefit from wind resistance as well if going into a headwind. It just seems odd that it's ok for Women to be allowed this benefit the entire way... Oh and you do get the occasion hilarious race when the pacemaker just keeps going and wins themselves! can't i just run a race all by myself? or can't i just ignore the 'pacemakers'? i don't understand the point of them. i mean - running is an individual sport, no? why are they needed? Like I said it's to save energy by drafting - much same as cyclists in the peleton taking turns at the front. If you're not at the front you use up much less energy so they share the burden. If you never take your turn though, you'll be much fresher and able to finish faster. |
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Oct 13, 2019 19:35:36 GMT
can't i just run a race all by myself? or can't i just ignore the 'pacemakers'? i don't understand the point of them. i mean - running is an individual sport, no? why are they needed? Like I said it's to save energy by drafting - much same as cyclists in the peleton taking turns at the front. If you're not at the front you use up much less energy so they share the burden. If you never take your turn though, you'll be much fresher and able to finish faster. I guess I just don't get it. This to me is like having an NFL game and there's just random people running on the field. Or an NHL game and having random skaters from the stands shoot on the goalie. Or an NBA game when random people are on the court shooting balls or an MLB game with a couple of fans in the outfield having a catch. i don't understand why for instance a race can't have 100 participants - and it's just them and they run
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Oct 13, 2019 19:56:47 GMT
Like I said it's to save energy by drafting - much same as cyclists in the peleton taking turns at the front. If you're not at the front you use up much less energy so they share the burden. If you never take your turn though, you'll be much fresher and able to finish faster. I guess I just don't get it. This to me is like having an NFL game and there's just random people running on the field. Or an NHL game and having random skaters from the stands shoot on the goalie. Or an NBA game when random people are on the court shooting balls or an MLB game with a couple of fans in the outfield having a catch. i don't understand why for instance a race can't have 100 participants - and it's just them and they run Well I guess that's what the Olympics / World Championships are (although you still get accusations of people pacemaking in these races as well). |
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 13, 2019 20:16:56 GMT
Isn't the guy the first to run a marathon in under 2 hours? That was total bullshit. It's not recognized as a world record. He was the only one running, he had groups of "pacers" who would run four or five miles then leave with other "pacers" come on to help him. He ran a specially picked route that was completely flat and presented no challenges and he ran in shoes with something that provided extra spring in his heels. It was just a stunt. Nontheless: below two hours.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 13, 2019 20:20:36 GMT
Like I said it's to save energy by drafting - much same as cyclists in the peleton taking turns at the front. If you're not at the front you use up much less energy so they share the burden. If you never take your turn though, you'll be much fresher and able to finish faster. I guess I just don't get it. This to me is like having an NFL game and there's just random people running on the field. Or an NHL game and having random skaters from the stands shoot on the goalie. Or an NBA game when random people are on the court shooting balls or an MLB game with a couple of fans in the outfield having a catch. i don't understand why for instance a race can't have 100 participants - and it's just them and they run => Belgischer Kreisel Imho pace maker is the wrong designation. Its more about shielding than pacing.
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