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Post by hehatesshe on Oct 15, 2019 3:20:50 GMT
But nobody faces good teams all year. Some teams play lots of good teams during their regular season schedule. Other teams don't. Normally nobody is any good in the AFC East. So that's 6 cupcakes for New England right out the box. Alabama traditionally play nobody until they face LSU and Auburn at the end of the year. LSU has already played 2 teams ranked in the top 10. You see, you say cupcakes, but Brady only averages about 4-5 wins a year out of those 6 games. (80% on his career). He beats the AFC North 81.25%, AFC South 78.78%, NFC East 83.33%, NFC North 85%, NFC South 75%, NFC West 66.67%, and AFC West 64.70% of the time. He would literally have an easier time in 3 other divisions, about the same in 2 of them, and only win 4 out of 6 in the other, "tougher" divisions.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 15, 2019 12:37:38 GMT
Correct. Just some food for thought as, with a win next week, the 49ers will have the same opponent win total. Yet this thread is about how they might be the best team in the NFC, and not about how they have had a supremely easy schedule. You are correct. That is the reservation with the 49ers. Their easy schedule. The Patriots have a history of winning. But they have had an easy schedule also. And they are blessed with being in a traditionally weak division. Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game.
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Post by sdm3 on Oct 15, 2019 12:50:25 GMT
You are correct. That is the reservation with the 49ers. Their easy schedule. The Patriots have a history of winning. But they have had an easy schedule also. And they are blessed with being in a traditionally weak division. Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game. People lost job opportunities in New Orleans as a result of the Saints losing that game. Bettors lost money unjustly. Plus, if I screwed up in my job, there would be repercussions. Why should the refs be unaccountable? There, now movieliker doesn't have to say anything.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 13:05:03 GMT
You are correct. That is the reservation with the 49ers. Their easy schedule. The Patriots have a history of winning. But they have had an easy schedule also. And they are blessed with being in a traditionally weak division. Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game. Based on experience, nobody but lawyers make money on lawsuits against the NFL if your complaint has anything to do with fairness of schedule, venue or referee competency. People always say the Saints are pampered by playing in a dome. Whether you play inside, outside, in good weather (San Diego) or bad (Green Bay) everybody has a home field advantage based on familiarity.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 13:25:19 GMT
You are correct. That is the reservation with the 49ers. Their easy schedule. The Patriots have a history of winning. But they have had an easy schedule also. And they are blessed with being in a traditionally weak division. Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game. That "next argument" defense doesn't really compliment the Patriots. I for one, believe the Patriots are one of the best teams and organizations in NFL history. But bragging on the win rate of the Patriots against its division means nothing. Having an 80 percent win rate both against good teams and bad, still gives the Patriots no pressure when trying to win their division or get a high seed. As opposed to teams that are under pressure to win every week for fear of being eliminated from the post season. I seem to remember one season the Saints finished 13-3, and still didn't make the playoffs.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 15, 2019 13:47:42 GMT
Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game. Based on experience, nobody but lawyers make money on lawsuits against the NFL if your complaint has anything to do with fairness of schedule, venue or referee competency. People always say the Saints are pampered by playing in a dome. Whether you play inside, outside, in good weather (San Diego) or bad (Green Bay) everybody has a home field advantage based on familiarity. Who do you think has an easier time dealing with the elements during a football game? The elements; not the crowd, not familiarity with the arena, not waking up in your own bed. The elements. The guy throwing or kicking in a dome more than half of every season, or the guy throwing or kicking in Foxboro MA, Buffalo NY, and East Rutherford New Jersey more than half of every season in a sport that stretches into February? Does it snow or rain or get windy in a dome? There are plenty of dome teams so I'm not arguing that the Saints success is built purely upon playing in a dome. I'm comparing the conditions the Saints have to deal with to the conditions the Patriots have to deal with. Seems to me the Patriots path to success every season is more difficult than the Saints, but the Patriots keep getting it done. Hell, Brady had to go to court to defend his reputation, the Saints have to sue because they lost. (I know it was fans, I'm just messing around.)
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Post by NJtoTX on Oct 15, 2019 13:53:31 GMT
Not sure why not having Brees matters. He was tailing off at the end of last year, and Bridgewater is better than Garrapolo. Most people think Brees is better than Bridgewater. But if he was tailing off at the end of last season, could be because he was getting tired. This injury gives him 6-7 weeks off. So he will be more fresh at the end of this season. Brees never seems to have any cold weather games. He's definitely better in the dome. I'd love to see what he'd do at Lambeau in January.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Oct 15, 2019 13:58:09 GMT
Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game. I seem to remember one season the Saints finished 13-3, and still didn't make the playoffs. That never happened. Not one time. In 1988, they finished 10-6 but finished 3rd in their division and didn't make the playoffs. In 2002 and 1989 they had 9 wins and missed the playoffs. www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/index.htm
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 15, 2019 14:04:35 GMT
Next argument. Sometimes I try to imagine what Brady and Gostkowski's stats would look like (as if they aren't impressive enough) if they played a minimum 9 games a year in a dome like the Saints (8 home, 1 road in Atlanta). Then I try to figure out who I can recruit for a class action lawsuit against the NFL if the Patriots lose a playoff game. That "next argument" defense doesn't really compliment the Patriots. I for one, believe the Patriots are one of the best teams and organizations in NFL history. But bragging on the win rate of the Patriots against its division means nothing. Having an 80 percent win rate both against good teams and bad, still gives the Patriots no pressure when trying to win their division or get a high seed. As opposed to teams that are under pressure to win every week for fear of being eliminated from the post season. I seem to remember one season the Saints finished 13-3, and still didn't make the playoffs.First of all, this is an erroneous claim. That article isn't bragging about winning their division, the whole point is to prove they beat everyone else at the same clip as they beat their bad divisional opponents. The Patriots face pressure every week and win most of the time. They have the same win % against the rest of the league, and they don't go 6-0 in their division every year. The Patriots put the same emphasis on winning every week. You don't win six Super Bowls by getting in the habit of mailing in games. The Patriots don't sneak into the playoffs every season, they're usually a top 2 seed and that comes from winning more games-- and considering you play 10 non-divisional games compared to 6 divisional games, I'd say they have to be consistent throughout the season, not just within their division. Last year they beat the #1 seed on the road (they've done it three times now en route to a championship), but you can keep pretending it's their easy division schedule that gets them there.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 15, 2019 14:07:49 GMT
I seem to remember one season the Saints finished 13-3, and still didn't make the playoffs. That never happened. Not one time. In 1988, they finished 10-6 but finished 3rd in their division and didn't make the playoffs. In 2002 and 1989 they had 9 wins and missed the playoffs. www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/index.htm I think he's thinking of the time the Saints had a better record than the Seahawks but had to go to Seattle in the playoffs because Seattle won their division despite being 7-9. Seattle won, not sure if there were any lawsuits involved.
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Post by NJtoTX on Oct 15, 2019 14:22:32 GMT
1967 Colts finished 11-1-2 but missed the playoffs. Rams were 11-1-2, with a win and a tie against them.
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Post by bluerisk on Oct 15, 2019 14:24:41 GMT
That "next argument" defense doesn't really compliment the Patriots. I for one, believe the Patriots are one of the best teams and organizations in NFL history. But bragging on the win rate of the Patriots against its division means nothing. Having an 80 percent win rate both against good teams and bad, still gives the Patriots no pressure when trying to win their division or get a high seed. As opposed to teams that are under pressure to win every week for fear of being eliminated from the post season. I seem to remember one season the Saints finished 13-3, and still didn't make the playoffs.First of all, this is an erroneous claim. That article isn't bragging about winning their division, the whole point is to prove they beat everyone else at the same clip as they beat their bad divisional opponents. The Patriots face pressure every week and win most of the time. They have the same win % against the rest of the league, and they don't go 6-0 in their division every year. The Patriots put the same emphasis on winning every week. You don't win six Super Bowls by getting in the habit of mailing in games. The Patriots don't sneak into the playoffs every season, they're usually a top 2 seed and that comes from winning more games-- and considering you play 10 non-divisional games compared to 6 divisional games, I'd say they have to be consistent throughout the season, not just within their division. Last year they beat the #1 seed on the road (they've done it three times now en route to a championship), but you can keep pretending it's their easy division schedule that gets them there. In an other post it was argued the Pats have the easiest way, albeit they have the NFC North one of the two stronger NFC division (Eagles, Cowboys) and the hardest AFC division (with the Chiefs etc. pp.), and the remaining two team of the other two AFC divisions are those which had the same rank as the Pats, in other words: the two top teams. The only way they could it have harder it to have the NFC West instead of North. That the Dolphins and Jets are that weak, albeit The Pats are always on top and thus having the worst drafting conditions, while they had among the best, is "strange" at best. On the other hand the Bills seem to use their resources and opportunities far better. The Steelers have a 2-4 record, but they also played the Pats, the 49er and the Seahawkes. So they all three had the same opponent. And than beating your opponent isn't possible. The Pats also beat the Bills (which have else a clean record). The Buccaneers, Bengals and Browns are all weaker team with a negative record, the Rams were the first true test, albeit the first actual one might be the duel with the Seahawkes. The Pats had and passed their first test with the Bills.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 16:59:14 GMT
Based on experience, nobody but lawyers make money on lawsuits against the NFL if your complaint has anything to do with fairness of schedule, venue or referee competency. People always say the Saints are pampered by playing in a dome. Whether you play inside, outside, in good weather (San Diego) or bad (Green Bay) everybody has a home field advantage based on familiarity. Who do you think has an easier time dealing with the elements during a football game? The elements; not the crowd, not familiarity with the arena, not waking up in your own bed. The elements. The guy throwing or kicking in a dome more than half of every season, or the guy throwing or kicking in Foxboro MA, Buffalo NY, and East Rutherford New Jersey more than half of every season in a sport that stretches into February? Does it snow or rain or get windy in a dome? There are plenty of dome teams so I'm not arguing that the Saints success is built purely upon playing in a dome. I'm comparing the conditions the Saints have to deal with to the conditions the Patriots have to deal with. Seems to me the Patriots path to success every season is more difficult than the Saints, but the Patriots keep getting it done. Hell, Brady had to go to court to defend his reputation, the Saints have to sue because they lost. (I know it was fans, I'm just messing around.) I think 8 games a year, visiting teams have it easy playing the Saints in the dome. On the other hand, visiting teams --- especially dome teams --- are at a real disadvantage playing the Patriots outside in bad weather. The Pat's are used to it. Visiting teams are not, unless they play outsid also.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 17:01:49 GMT
Most people think Brees is better than Bridgewater. But if he was tailing off at the end of last season, could be because he was getting tired. This injury gives him 6-7 weeks off. So he will be more fresh at the end of this season. Brees never seems to have any cold weather games. He's definitely better in the dome. I'd love to see what he'd do at Lambeau in January. Yeah, me too. Although a few years ago, the Saints went to Philadelphia in the playoffs and beat the Eagles in the cold --- but no wind.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 17:05:04 GMT
I think he's thinking of the time the Saints had a better record than the Seahawks but had to go to Seattle in the playoffs because Seattle won their division despite being 7-9. Seattle won, not sure if there were any lawsuits involved. No. One year the Saints tied with San Francisco and the Rams. But the 49ers and the Rams went to the playoffs. And the Saints were out.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 15, 2019 17:07:04 GMT
I seem to remember one season the Saints finished 13-3, and still didn't make the playoffs. That never happened. Not one time. In 1988, they finished 10-6 but finished 3rd in their division and didn't make the playoffs. In 2002 and 1989 they had 9 wins and missed the playoffs. www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/nor/index.htm I can't look it up right now. But one year the Saints tied with San Francisco and the Rams. But the 49ers and the Rams went to the playoffs. And the Saints were out.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Oct 15, 2019 17:11:23 GMT
Who do you think has an easier time dealing with the elements during a football game? The elements; not the crowd, not familiarity with the arena, not waking up in your own bed. The elements. The guy throwing or kicking in a dome more than half of every season, or the guy throwing or kicking in Foxboro MA, Buffalo NY, and East Rutherford New Jersey more than half of every season in a sport that stretches into February? Does it snow or rain or get windy in a dome? There are plenty of dome teams so I'm not arguing that the Saints success is built purely upon playing in a dome. I'm comparing the conditions the Saints have to deal with to the conditions the Patriots have to deal with. Seems to me the Patriots path to success every season is more difficult than the Saints, but the Patriots keep getting it done. Hell, Brady had to go to court to defend his reputation, the Saints have to sue because they lost. (I know it was fans, I'm just messing around.) I think 8 games a year, visiting teams have it easy playing the Saints in the dome. On the other hand, visiting teams --- especially dome teams --- are at a real disadvantage playing the Patriots outside in bad weather. The Pat's are used to it. Visiting teams are not, unless they play outsid also. Well that's one way to spin it. "Hey the other team has to play in the shitty weather too." Which isn't the point at all. The other team is playing in bad weather that one game, Brady is spending 2/3 of every season (not even counting the post-season, though I should because they go every season) in potentially bad weather. Does that make it easier for the Patriots to execute? Does the fact that the other team is playing in a dome inhibit the Saints ability to execute? But you've veered off track here. I said I'd like to see the stats our QB and kicker would put up in a dome. I already know they'd win; they win with the same frequency leaguewide as it is. But you're right about dome teams being at a disadvantage in the cold, which was my point to begin with. Pussy teams playing in domes all year usually shit the bed if they have to play outside in the cold. Or as we call it in the north, 'football weather.'
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Post by hehatesshe on Oct 15, 2019 20:13:02 GMT
I can't look it up right now. But one year the Saints tied with San Francisco and the Rams. But the 49ers and the Rams went to the playoffs. And the Saints were out. Yeah, that's the 1988 yeah Klaw mentions, when all 3 were 10-6. Imagine being 11-5 and missing the playoffs?!!? Surely such a travesty has never occurred.
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Post by hehatesshe on Oct 30, 2019 19:20:43 GMT
Watching the highlights of the Eagles game, and they are starting to impress me as a football fan and scare me as a Cowboys fan. They were running the Patriots 2 tight end offense from the days of Gronk/Hernandez (hopefully with less murderers).
With Dallas and Zack able to block as well as they can, and run routes and catch as well as they can, they have the makings of that wild card run I mentioned earlier in this thread.
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Post by njcardfan on Oct 30, 2019 19:32:26 GMT
We're going to find out real quick. They have 2 games against my schizophrenic Cardinals but they also play Seattle, New Orleans, Baltimore, & Green Bay over the next 6 weeks. The trouble is, too, that of their 7 wins, the only win against an actual contender was over the Rams. Tough to get an honest read when most of the league is so bad.
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