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Post by heeeeey on Oct 15, 2019 13:25:13 GMT
In the Bible, God says, "I wound and I heal...I kill and I make alive." Words to that effect.
This suggests to me that God is one creative power that is used for both good and evil, and why there is this duality in the world. It's the free will of humanity that directs God's power.
Since everything is energy and vibration according to Tesla, it runs the gamut from the lowest to the highest, but it's all one energy -- one God.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 15, 2019 13:34:51 GMT
Wouldn't that imply God has no will of his own? If God is merely the substance of the universe which is directed by human will, what's the point of him? Couldn't you just as easily say the world is Godless and nothing about your conception of the world would change?
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 15, 2019 18:33:47 GMT
Wouldn't that imply God has no will of his own? If God is merely the substance of the universe which is directed by human will, what's the point of him? Couldn't you just as easily say the world is Godless and nothing about your conception of the world would change? No, it doesn't.
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, BUT my Father is greater than I am."
God is an intelligent creator, not a 'substance', but he gave humanity free will.
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Post by general313 on Oct 15, 2019 18:48:41 GMT
Wouldn't that imply God has no will of his own? If God is merely the substance of the universe which is directed by human will, what's the point of him? Couldn't you just as easily say the world is Godless and nothing about your conception of the world would change?
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, BUT my Father is greater than I am."
Sounds like the opposite of "separate but equal".
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 15, 2019 20:28:57 GMT
You reference the Bible as proof of God yet you constantly insist you're not religious? Oh ok.
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Post by goz on Oct 15, 2019 21:37:13 GMT
You reference the Bible as proof of God yet you constantly insist you're not religious? Oh ok. She lies, admits the lies and then says WE are gullible for believing her. It's her MO.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 15, 2019 23:49:12 GMT
You reference the Bible as proof of God yet you constantly insist you're not religious? Oh ok. No, I am not religious and I don't reference the Bible as 'proof' of God. It's a book of His teachings, but it's mistranslated and misinterpreted. And I'm not religious. I part ways with a lot of what systemic religion teaches, because it's taught by people who don't understand the Bible and apply their own interpretations of it -- or more to the point, misinterpretations.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 16, 2019 0:06:44 GMT
You reference the Bible as proof of God yet you constantly insist you're not religious? Oh ok. No, I am not religious and I don't reference the Bible as 'proof' of God. It's a book of His teachings, but it's mistranslated and misinterpreted. And I'm not religious. I part ways with a lot of what systemic religion teaches, because it's taught by people who don't understand the Bible and apply their own interpretations of it -- or more to the point, misinterpretations. Please explain to me what you think "religious" means so I can explain to yo why you're wrong.
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Post by heeeeey on Oct 16, 2019 0:12:28 GMT
No, I am not religious and I don't reference the Bible as 'proof' of God. It's a book of His teachings, but it's mistranslated and misinterpreted. And I'm not religious. I part ways with a lot of what systemic religion teaches, because it's taught by people who don't understand the Bible and apply their own interpretations of it -- or more to the point, misinterpretations. Please explain to me what you think "religious" means so I can explain to yo why you're wrong. Religious means going to church every Sunday and holidays, going to mass, going to confession, and all the other things religious people do. Also, believing in eternal hell, that God passes judgment, etc. I don't agree or believe with the way many things are taught.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 16, 2019 0:16:44 GMT
Please explain to me what you think "religious" means so I can explain to yo why you're wrong. Religious means going to church every Sunday and holidays, going to mass, going to confession, and all the other things religious people do. No. I think I'm starting to see the problem, you equate "religious" with "devoutly religious", they're not necessarily the same thing. Here's what a quick Google search brought up: "relating to or believing in a religion" You see now why (and others) I call you "religious" right?
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 16, 2019 9:18:38 GMT
Heeeeey, why do you think your interpretation of the Bible is correct while the interpretations of the organised Christian churches are incorrect?
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Post by Cody™ on Oct 16, 2019 9:47:33 GMT
Wouldn't that imply God has no will of his own? If God is merely the substance of the universe which is directed by human will, what's the point of him? Couldn't you just as easily say the world is Godless and nothing about your conception of the world would change? No, it doesn't.
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, BUT my Father is greater than I am."
God is an intelligent creator, not a 'substance', but he gave humanity free will.
“”Jesus said, "I and the Father are one“” He meant one in the sense of unity. “”BUT my Father is greater than I am.”” He was talking about position or rank not in nature/essence/substance. Jesus also described John the Baptist the greatest born of a woman. Does that mean John was more human than the rest of us?
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Post by lowtacks86 on Oct 16, 2019 13:22:27 GMT
No, it doesn't.
Jesus said, "I and the Father are one, BUT my Father is greater than I am."
God is an intelligent creator, not a 'substance', but he gave humanity free will.
“”Jesus said, "I and the Father are one“” He meant one in the sense of unity. “”BUT my Father is greater than I am.”” He was talking about position or rank not in nature/essence/substance. Jesus also described John the Baptist the greatest born of a woman. Does that mean John was more human than the rest of us? But Heys interpretation of the Bible is the correct one! She even said so herself so you know it's true!
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Post by thefleetsin on Oct 16, 2019 23:16:36 GMT
till they were blue in the face
they called the mounties till they were blue in the face. skirting the prophecies their god keeps to realize that deep isn't quite as deep as all the nightmares they keep feeding children as they sleep.
as they pass down the rhetoric of worn out clowns again and again till it sort of sounds like the harmony of the drowned.
and of course god is just one more round of trading blows in a boxing ring. where evil is assigned by just how brown you happen to be.
and pretending to be free is like driving on a freeway where the off ramps are metered and inclined to be just as rich as you expect them to be.
sjw 10/16/19 inspired at this very moment in time by well, what did you think i was talking about.
from the 'bigot series' of poems
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Post by gadreel on Oct 17, 2019 3:45:33 GMT
Yes, god as defined metaphysically is the one single source for all that is.
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Post by The Lost One on Oct 17, 2019 9:56:55 GMT
Yes, god as defined metaphysically is the one single source for all that is. Would you see God as separate from its creation?
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Post by fatpaul on Oct 17, 2019 16:46:33 GMT
Since everything is energy and vibration according to Tesla, it runs the gamut from the lowest to the highest, but it's all one energy -- one God. Again, energy is nothing in itself. Energy is what we label a particular change in physical matter and so I doubt Tesla said anything as such. But if he did then it's no wonder he lost out to Edison. Then again maybe your particular flavour of deity is indeed energy, meaning it's nothing in itself! Or if you're using the term colloquially, maybe this deity is one humongous, thick-as-a-brick, battery!
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Post by gadreel on Oct 17, 2019 17:19:00 GMT
Yes, god as defined metaphysically is the one single source for all that is. Would you see God as separate from its creation? Yes and no.
(tempted to leave it at that ) Yes God is the wellspring, and so the source of creation, but as creation comes from his word and is impelled by the power of his word creation is a part of god. Mostly I go with the vibration type of philosophy, creation is the vibration energy of God lowered.
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Post by drystyx on Oct 17, 2019 20:12:22 GMT
This is where I disagree with you, because I believe the duality is two or more different forces.
The presence of Jesus supports my position, I do believe.
As well as the original sin, the fall of man.
We have a supernatural character, at least to us. He creates a perfection.
It's human and inferior to think perfection is flawed. We think of perfection as flawed because we're human, and we're taught such. Shakespeare, Tolkien, just about all the most celebrated writers reveled in "fair is foul and foul is fair", just in different words.
I see the Bible as a puzzle, with Genesis One the key.
If the duality is one good God, he isn't "good". He's a tyrant, as many of the detractors claim. There may have been eight righteous men in Sodom, but not ten, so those eight are burned with the unrighteous. The prophet who was tricked into eating by a liar was killed by a lion, but not the liar. There's no justice or fairness in that. I've heard the arguments from preachers to the contrary, but they fail miserably in their excuses.
However, if there are evil principalities, and I'm sure you believe in evil principalities, they were always out to blemish perfection, and to falsely accuse.
Hence, we have Genesis in the first chapter, detailing the good God giving the humans a perfect Eden.
So, the serpent, who may be Satan or just another evil principality, blemishes the perfection. It is stated that the fruit is of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If Adam and Eve did not know the difference, then they couldn't be at fault for their sin in partaking of the fruit, simply because some principality with more power, gifts, talents, abilities, authority, and resources tricked them. If you work for a person with more gifts, who makes you believe that pushing a button will open a door for starving people to get nutritious food, but in fact it sends a nuclear missile to kill a hundred thousand struggling, starving people, you cannot be held responsible for pushing the button. The principality is guilty, not you.
Yet three important things happen after Adam and Eve eat the fruit that causes their fall.
1. A character appears claiming to be God, yet not acting like the good God, because he blames them for what the serpent does. True, he punishes the serpent, also, which probably only means the serpent is a lesser demonic being. But that doesn't make it fair to blame the innocent for what the guilty trick them into doing.
2. The character ejects Adam and Eve from the garden and issues curses, again not in conforming with the actions of a good God.
3. Since then, even though humans have allegedly the knowledge of good and evil, History shows they are more confused than any animal on that very issue, which means the fruit caused confusion, not knowledge.
We then get a History of hateful leaders. Some steal from their own brothers. Some are willing to murder their own sons and daughters. Some arrogantly put themselves over their brothers. Some murder their own men to steal their wives. Speaking of which this very King David, the big hero of the Old Testament, God's anointed and favorite, is perhaps the only character in the Old Testament who goes to his deathbed with the unforgiving heart, as he issues the decree to make sure a subject is killed for throwing rocks at him long ago.
Then we get Jesus. Why is he here? If the playground of this "world" is from one creative creature called God, who is himself a duality, then the rules are made by him after the fall. This is not in adherence with any good God or any good Holy Ghost.
Instead, the rules are made by the evil principality or principalities. Satan or demons. Satan, in arrogance, rigs the rules to the extreme so he can't lose, which is why Jesus is sent. It is the way around Satan's "catch 22". But only the demonic being would make such a horrid "catch 22" to begin with.
We also have the Acts of the Apostles to illustrate the confusion. During the life of Jesus, he does only good. He heals, saves, brings back from the dead.
Yet almost the very first thing Peter does with his "gifts" is call upon a spirit to murder two people who don't give him everything they have. They tested his spirit, and they were proven correct, because the Holy Ghost of Jesus "saved" not "killed". Jesus never killed any Roman soldier, even those who whipped and crucified poor subjects.
Thus, the spirit called upon by Peter could not have been the Holy Ghost, and Peter was the best of the lot, which meant that the enemy still managed to breed confusion in this world. Not the good God. The enemy.
Add to this that if this dualism of Agnosticism is correct, it would be thwarted through History by the evil powers. And indeed we see that. It is never organized to the extent that major religions are. If it was incorrect, Agnostic dualism would be the leading belief, and the supported one. But its very essence means that we always doubt what appears to be correct, so the Agnostic dualism believer would never partake of any persecution or witch hunts, because the Agnostic knows that the evil principalities always work to accuse the innocent.
With all this in mind, to believe God is the one creative power with dualism in itself, would mean God's character would be more "Jethro Bodine" than "Jed Clampett". He'd be flailing in his own little world. This is possible, but it hardly resembles a worthy God.
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