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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 15:05:15 GMT
Surprised that deGrom won it but looking back nobody really ran away with it as a favorite like Verlander and Cole did in the AL. Ryu was a favorite for most of the season I think but I guess I have no issue with deGrom winning it. Caught me off guard as I wasn't aware he finished with that low of an ERA. Scherzer finishing 3rd seemed a bit too high for him as well. I would have voted for Flaherty and Soroka over him honestly. As Millar and I talked about earlier in the thread, I'm really surprised Flaherty wasn't a finalist, he really should have been. He and deGrom were fairly neck and neck across the board so it's a bit off. I'm sure he'll be in line for the award before long.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Nov 14, 2019 15:31:46 GMT
wade miley had a better year than degrom! Miley finished the season with a 14-6 record over 33 starts, 167.1 innings pitched, an ERA of 3.98 and an FIP of 4.51 and 140 strikeouts. You're crazy bro. I love you, but you're crazy. And if you wanna go with FIP, deGrom's was 2.67. houston is a major hittters park, if you don't factor in that, ye be batty. i mean i bet felix doubront could have a sub 3.50 era pitching for the mets!
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 15:42:09 GMT
You're crazy bro. I love you, but you're crazy. And if you wanna go with FIP, deGrom's was 2.67. houston is a major hittters park, if you don't factor in that, ye be batty. i mean i bet felix doubront could have a sub 3.50 era pitching for the mets! Who says you don't have a thing for sabremetrics! Taking into account things like "park factor" is something that only bookworms do and, according to you, by people who are ruining the game. Just sayin. And yes, it comes as no surprise that Wade Miley was materially worse at home than he was on the road, pitching more like the 5th starter that he is, and that's even before his season went to shit. The fact that he had a winning record at home means that....well, I'll let you take a guess.
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Post by fjenkins on Nov 14, 2019 16:28:53 GMT
Gonna be ok there Nuts? 11 wins, that’s a lot for you to process... 21 wins over 2 years and 2 Cy Youngs. That's got to be a record. I was looking at his stats, if he repeats his current six years over an 18 year period, he'll have 188 wins. One idiot was on yahoo was claiming Degrom will be in the hall of fame. This after 6 years in the league. Really irresponsible "reporting" but then again, it's yahoo.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 14, 2019 16:36:00 GMT
Gonna be ok there Nuts? 11 wins, that’s a lot for you to process... 21 wins over 2 years and 2 Cy Youngs. That's got to be a record. I was looking at his stats, if he repeats his current six years over an 18 year period, he'll have 188 wins. One idiot was on yahoo was claiming Degrom will be in the hall of fame. This after 6 years in the league. Really irresponsible "reporting" but then again, it's yahoo. 200 wins is the new 300 wins. We may never see another 300 game winner in our lifetime. It’s not even like you have to go back to the dark ages to experience one - Glavine, Randy Johnson, Maddux weren’t all that long ago and yet it feels like a million years ago in terms of where the game is at.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 16:37:49 GMT
Gonna be ok there Nuts? 11 wins, that’s a lot for you to process... 21 wins over 2 years and 2 Cy Youngs. That's got to be a record. I was looking at his stats, if he repeats his current six years over an 18 year period, he'll have 188 wins. One idiot was on yahoo was claiming Degrom will be in the hall of fame. This after 6 years in the league. Really irresponsible "reporting" but then again, it's yahoo. Bit early for HOF talk obviously, but the notion of wins being tied directly to a player's HOF resume is a concept that is evolving. You guys may not like it but it's the reality. A guy with 188 wins can have an otherwise brilliant career but otherwise get fucked out of 40 wins over the course of 15 years (probably more in deGrom's case). Does he not deserve his day in court because of one statistic that has historically been overvalued or that is so misleading when it comes to determining which of two players is better than the other?
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Post by fjenkins on Nov 14, 2019 18:07:19 GMT
21 wins over 2 years and 2 Cy Youngs. That's got to be a record. I was looking at his stats, if he repeats his current six years over an 18 year period, he'll have 188 wins. One idiot was on yahoo was claiming Degrom will be in the hall of fame. This after 6 years in the league. Really irresponsible "reporting" but then again, it's yahoo. 200 wins is the new 300 wins. We may never see another 300 game winner in our lifetime. It’s not even like you have to go back to the dark ages to experience one - Glavine, Randy Johnson, Maddux weren’t all that long ago and yet it feels like a million years ago in terms of where the game is at. What's even dumber about that is the idiotic five man rotation in the age of enhanced bullpens. They should go back to the four man rotation and rely heavily on the bullpens (kind of like they do already) so these precious snowflakes don't hurt themselves. Your studs like Verlander and Cole are going to throw up 300 wins. But now they don't even want guys going 5 innings, which is stupid.
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Post by fjenkins on Nov 14, 2019 18:08:56 GMT
21 wins over 2 years and 2 Cy Youngs. That's got to be a record. I was looking at his stats, if he repeats his current six years over an 18 year period, he'll have 188 wins. One idiot was on yahoo was claiming Degrom will be in the hall of fame. This after 6 years in the league. Really irresponsible "reporting" but then again, it's yahoo. Bit early for HOF talk obviously, but the notion of wins being tied directly to a player's HOF resume is a concept that is evolving. You guys may not like it but it's the reality. A guy with 188 wins can have an otherwise brilliant career but otherwise get fucked out of 40 wins over the course of 15 years (probably more in deGrom's case). Does he not deserve his day in court because of one statistic that has historically been overvalued or that is so misleading when it comes to determining which of two players is better than the other? I absolutely agree he has a shot to be a HOFer some day but after six seasons you don't say someone is on their way to the Hall. I've seen this all my life, someone has a good three or four years and people declare them a HOFer. They did it with Lincecum daily and he won't get past the first ballot. Right now Buster Posey would not be a HOFer.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 18:15:44 GMT
Bit early for HOF talk obviously, but the notion of wins being tied directly to a player's HOF resume is a concept that is evolving. You guys may not like it but it's the reality. A guy with 188 wins can have an otherwise brilliant career but otherwise get fucked out of 40 wins over the course of 15 years (probably more in deGrom's case). Does he not deserve his day in court because of one statistic that has historically been overvalued or that is so misleading when it comes to determining which of two players is better than the other? I absolutely agree he has a shot to be a HOFer some day but after six seasons you don't say someone is on their way to the Hall. I've seen this all my life, someone has a good three or four years and people declare them a HOFer. They did it with Lincecum daily and he won't get past the first ballot. Right now Buster Posey would not be a HOFer. Yeah, it's silly when you see it. I chalk it up to writers just trying to sell copy and I totally remember when the talk about Posey being a "no-doubt 1st ballot HOFer" after his 5th season. Laughable.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 14, 2019 18:24:25 GMT
200 wins is the new 300 wins. We may never see another 300 game winner in our lifetime. It’s not even like you have to go back to the dark ages to experience one - Glavine, Randy Johnson, Maddux weren’t all that long ago and yet it feels like a million years ago in terms of where the game is at. What's even dumber about that is the idiotic five man rotation in the age of enhanced bullpens. They should go back to the four man rotation and rely heavily on the bullpens (kind of like they do already) so these precious snowflakes don't hurt themselves. Your studs like Verlander and Cole are going to throw up 300 wins. But now they don't even want guys going 5 innings, which is stupid. Verlander is 36 and has 225 wins. Gerrit Cole is 29 and has 94 wins. I don’t see either of them getting to 300.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 18:27:50 GMT
What's even dumber about that is the idiotic five man rotation in the age of enhanced bullpens. They should go back to the four man rotation and rely heavily on the bullpens (kind of like they do already) so these precious snowflakes don't hurt themselves. Your studs like Verlander and Cole are going to throw up 300 wins. But now they don't even want guys going 5 innings, which is stupid. Verlander is 36 and has 225 wins. Gerrit Cole is 29 and has 94 wins. I don’t see either of them getting to 300. You'll feel silly when Steven Matz gets to 300 wins. He only has 269 to go and figure he has 10 years left to make it. It's in the bag!
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 14, 2019 18:28:33 GMT
I don't even know what all these abbreviations mean. All I know is the Red Sox were MIA from the playoffs.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 18:33:54 GMT
I don't even know what all these abbreviations mean. All I know is the Red Sox were MIA from the playoffs. There should be a team SOL stat for any game featuring Jeurys Familia. So they'd have W-L-SOL. SOL can count as double damage to your win percentage.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 14, 2019 18:35:13 GMT
Verlander is 36 and has 225 wins. Gerrit Cole is 29 and has 94 wins. I don’t see either of them getting to 300. You'll feel silly when Steven Matz gets to 300 wins. He only has 269 to go and figure he has 10 years left to make it. It's in the bag! I’ll feel the same level of silliness when Gabe Kapler wins his thirds consecutive ring.
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Post by klawrencio79 on Nov 14, 2019 18:40:15 GMT
You'll feel silly when Steven Matz gets to 300 wins. He only has 269 to go and figure he has 10 years left to make it. It's in the bag! I’ll feel the same level of silliness when Gabe Kapler wins his thirds consecutive ring. So here's the bet, if Kapler gets his 3rd ring first, I'll drive to Philly and we'll go to Zahav, on me. If Matz gets win 300, you'll come to NY and we'll go to any restaurant of your choosing, on you.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 14, 2019 18:53:33 GMT
I’ll feel the same level of silliness when Gabe Kapler wins his thirds consecutive ring. So here's the bet, if Kapler gets his 3rd ring first, I'll drive to Philly and we'll go to Zahav, on me. If Matz gets win 300, you'll come to NY and we'll go to any restaurant of your choosing, on you. I’ll be dead by the time one of us is ready to collect but you’re on!
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Post by fjenkins on Nov 14, 2019 22:55:05 GMT
What's even dumber about that is the idiotic five man rotation in the age of enhanced bullpens. They should go back to the four man rotation and rely heavily on the bullpens (kind of like they do already) so these precious snowflakes don't hurt themselves. Your studs like Verlander and Cole are going to throw up 300 wins. But now they don't even want guys going 5 innings, which is stupid. Verlander is 36 and has 225 wins. Gerrit Cole is 29 and has 94 wins. I don’t see either of them getting to 300. Nope but Verlander essentially assured himself of being a first ballot HOFer. 2 Cy youngs, 1 mvp, 1 ROY, 3 no hitters, top five Cy Young 7 times, 8 all star games, great winning percentage. His 3.33 ERA is low considering guys who get in now like Mussina and Morris.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 14, 2019 23:20:40 GMT
Verlander is 36 and has 225 wins. Gerrit Cole is 29 and has 94 wins. I don’t see either of them getting to 300. Nope but Verlander essentially assured himself of being a first ballot HOFer. 2 Cy youngs, 1 mvp, 1 ROY, 3 no hitters, top five Cy Young 7 times, 8 all star games, great winning percentage. His 3.33 ERA is low considering guys who get in now like Mussina and Morris. He’s a no doubt hall of famer to me, I was only commenting on his chance at reaching 300 wins. He’ll get in now no matter how many he ends up with.
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Post by NJtoTX on Nov 14, 2019 23:43:41 GMT
Bellinger MVP pretty easily. Rendon only 1 first place and 1 second place vote. Freddie Freeman got a 2nd place vote.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Nov 14, 2019 23:53:31 GMT
Mike Trout. The best keeps getting better.
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