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Post by darkpast on Nov 27, 2019 17:21:01 GMT
That's awful for end of Star Wars saga, good for any other film
Disney must be hoping this is not another SOLO
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Post by johnspartan on Nov 27, 2019 17:47:42 GMT
Maybe making shitty movies and allowing their writers to fight with fans on twitter is to blame.  |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 27, 2019 18:20:31 GMT
Or as high as $200M. Also good for any other movie.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 27, 2019 18:29:46 GMT
Or as high as $200M. Also good for any other movie.
200m is still a big decline considering it will be front loaded since its a finale
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Nov 28, 2019 0:29:23 GMT
"As low as". Lol. Haters look silly at this point.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 28, 2019 0:32:23 GMT
Maybe making shitty movies and allowing their writers to fight with fans on twitter is to blame. Its like they ignore that most people who don`t like the movies don`t like they because they think the movie is bad.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 1:15:02 GMT
Maybe making shitty movies and allowing their writers to fight with fans on twitter is to blame. The problem is not "there are women/straight/gay/black/whatever in it!" The problem is that the writers go out of their way to make those people "special" and denigrate those who are not. Consider Poe and Holdo. Poe's suspicion and actions are perfectly sensible, given her behaviour. Yet the film treats her as the good one and him as the bad one, purely because he's a guy and she's a woman. And so we wind up with a Star Wars movie that sells the message that men should offer blind obedience to authority, if that authority is female. Which... kind of a messed up message to be selling, really. But the writers don't care if it makes sense. They are writing from their politics, not from the logic of their story.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 28, 2019 1:31:49 GMT
"As low as". Lol. Haters look silly at this point. you can't possibly think that is good ? At minimum it should match TLJ OW, but truthfully should be higher as its the end of the Saga
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 28, 2019 2:31:02 GMT
It's pocket change for Disney.
I mean, it does not matter at all.
They use the numbers for investors or for some other BS, but not to stay in business.
If they depended on consumer taste to survive, they would behave differently.
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Post by bluerisk on Nov 28, 2019 22:17:58 GMT
It's pocket change for Disney. I mean, it does not matter at all. They use the numbers for investors or for some other BS, but not to stay in business. If they depended on consumer taste to survive, they would behave differently. Of course they need to make profit, and if more and more movies bomb, they will go out of business or be bought by a competitor. Solo made a loss.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 28, 2019 22:31:16 GMT
Of course they need to make profit, and if more and more movies bomb, they will go out of business or be bought by a competitor. Solo made a loss. If they operated as a normal business they would not make the decisions they do. They make decisions based on message not entertainment or audience tastes. Imagine if they ran a soft drink company and said: "we think adding 50% salt to the drink would be good for you" and they do and people hate the drink. Then they say, these consumers are haters. The only reason they can behave like this is because they have lots of money and no competitors. The studios all sit down and plan their windows of release with each other. In order to reverse course they have to hire talented people and give them the freedom to make their own decisions. They are not going to do that. The fact that Iger responded to Scorsese by suggesting he was racist if he criticized Black Panther indicates that ideological message is the first thing on Iger's mind.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2019 22:40:55 GMT
It's pocket change for Disney. I mean, it does not matter at all. They use the numbers for investors or for some other BS, but not to stay in business. If they depended on consumer taste to survive, they would behave differently. There isn't a company in existence that takes the attitude that "we can afford to lose money, so we may as well not bother trying to make it". Certainly not Disney.
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 28, 2019 22:53:37 GMT
There isn't a company in existence that takes the attitude that "we can afford to lose money, so we may as well not bother trying to make it". Certainly not Disney. Then why do they put message before profit?
Are we to believe that Rian Johnson was hired because he was the best filmmaker around? Or was he hired because he followed their ideological leanings?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2019 1:24:16 GMT
There isn't a company in existence that takes the attitude that "we can afford to lose money, so we may as well not bother trying to make it". Certainly not Disney. Then why do they put message before profit?
Are we to believe that Rian Johnson was hired because he was the best filmmaker around? Or was he hired because he followed their ideological leanings? Believe it or not they don't; they think the message will lead to more profit, not less. I can only guess (amazingly, they don't send me copies of their paperwork), but I think what they've been doing is trying to expand the viewer base. They've made the calculation that they can sell Star Wars to non-traditional audiences whilst still retaining the regular viewers. Put crudely, they think white guys like Star Wars and girls/minorities don't, so if they make it more for those groups they will watch it - and the white guys will still watch because it's Star Wars. This isn't new - Padme and Windu were in the prequels to try and attract female and minority fans, for instance. I don't think it's working for them too well because the way they're doing it is putting off at least some guys and not attracting as many girls/minorities as they'd like, because the politics aren't being made part of a good story but are being done instead of one. And I suspect they're gradually course-correcting. But Disney didn't say "Hey, we want this message out there and we don't care if it costs us". They said "Hey, let's make this for everyone and we'll make more money!"
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Post by Prime etc. on Nov 29, 2019 1:31:52 GMT
But Disney didn't say "Hey, we want this message out there and we don't care if it costs us". They said "Hey, let's make this for everyone and we'll make more money!" That doesn't explain why the white male characters are demonized or sidelined. In Pirates 4, the white guy is introduced tied to a mast and makes mistakes before being mortally wounded and dragged underwater by a mermaid. From a simple POV of positives vs negatives, why end so negatively? What demographic does that attract? It goes beyond trying to appeal to all audiences--there's a definite anti-European message in the films. If they wanted to appeal to all audiences ta once then Wakanda would have been a multicultural paradise like Asgard.
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