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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 4, 2019 16:06:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 16:17:32 GMT
What a bunch of fannies š¤¦
Way to put back equality a few decades.
I hope Aussie sports fans are fuming?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 4, 2019 16:27:14 GMT
What a bunch of fannies š¤¦ Way to put back equality a few decades. I hope Aussie sports fans are fuming? Maybe the money was just what was left on his contract. The apology rankles though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 16:34:35 GMT
What a bunch of fannies š¤¦ Way to put back equality a few decades. I hope Aussie sports fans are fuming? Maybe the money was just what was left on his contract. The apology rankles though. They should tell him to stick the rest of his contract. He hasn't been let go, he has been fired for gross misconduct.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 4, 2019 18:55:13 GMT
I'd say this means there was no clause in his contract that people kept going on about and that they therefore had no valid legal reason to sack him. If they'd apologised early then it would have saved them millions.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 5, 2019 1:13:12 GMT
Just to take away any ambiguity: this is a complete back down from Rugby Australia. No shared points. No moral victory. Just abject failure. They've lost millions and millions of dollars and been forced to apologise. Didn't even leave with their dignity intact. Each and every person on the RA board should be reviewing their positions, particularly Raelene Castle, who would have been on the nose anyway in any competently run organisation. Well actually a competent organisation wouldn't have hired her in the first place after the mess she made of the Bulldogs.
The big winner: Israel Folau. $8 million, some free publicity for his father's church/ cult that no one had heard of previously, and the criticism of his wife fired her up nicely to lead the Silver Ferns to the Netball World Cup. He makes as much, probably a lot more than he would have playing and he gets the pleasure of publicly humiliating RA and just about sending them bankrupt on the way out.
And notice I've not once mentioned homosexuals? That's because it had long since become nothing to do with the initial post. Just a play thing for far right and SJW commentators to BS about for a month or two.
Never should have gone this far. What a fucking disaster...
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 5, 2019 1:54:13 GMT
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Post by Aj_June on Dec 5, 2019 2:02:38 GMT
Just to take away any ambiguity: this is a complete back down from Rugby Australia. No shared points. No moral victory. Just abject failure. They've lost millions and millions of dollars and been forced to apologise. Didn't even leave with their dignity intact. Each and every person on the RA board should be reviewing their positions, particularly Raelene Castle, who would have been on the nose anyway in any competently run organisation. Well actually a competent organisation wouldn't have hired her in the first place after the mess she made of the Bulldogs. The big winner: Israel Folau. $8 million, some free publicity for his father's church/ cult that no one had heard of previously, and the criticism of his wife fired her up nicely to lead the Silver Ferns to the Netball World Cup. He makes as much, probably a lot more than he would have playing and he gets the pleasure of publicly humiliating RA and just about sending them bankrupt on the way out. And notice I've not once mentioned homosexuals? That's because it had long since become nothing to do with the initial post. Just a play thing for far right and SJW commentators to BS about for a month or two. Never should have gone this far. What a fucking disaster...Top post. This is what happens when public opinion and sentiments pressurise you into making decisions
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Post by Carl LaFong on Dec 5, 2019 10:15:09 GMT
P.S. The actual amount of money Folau received is unknown. The $8m figure is speculation.
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Post by weststigersbob on Dec 5, 2019 12:19:28 GMT
Once again, another example of āfree speechā being bandied about without so much as a whimper as to the real issue at hand. I am all for Folauās right to say whatever he likes. I have no problem with it. However, with that right comes mine, and anyone elses, right of reply. Instead of attacking Folau personally and trying to quell his right to say anything, and then hamfistedly try and sack him for breach of contract, all Rugby Australia had to do was re-iterate, as many times as needed, that they unreservedly do not agree with Folau, his words are abhorrent, at odds with general society, and not needed in a pluralist and secular nation like Australia. And then, at the end of his contract, part ways and donāt re-sign him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 12:23:36 GMT
Once again, another example of āfree speechā being bandied about without so much as a whimper as to the real issue at hand. I am all for Folauās right to say whatever he likes. I have no problem with it. However, with that right comes mine, and anyone elses, right of reply. Instead of attacking Folau personally and trying to quell his right to say anything, and then hamfistedly try and sack him for breach of contract, all Rugby Australia had to do was re-iterate, as many times as needed, that they unreservedly do not agree with Folau, his words are abhorrent, at odds with general society, and not needed in a pluralist and secular nation like Australia. And then, at the end of his contract, part ways and donāt re-sign him. Problem is, they had warned him about this before, and reminded him of his contract obligations. He still did it again. Sackable offence. He had had his warning.
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Post by weststigersbob on Dec 5, 2019 12:44:59 GMT
Once again, another example of āfree speechā being bandied about without so much as a whimper as to the real issue at hand. I am all for Folauās right to say whatever he likes. I have no problem with it. However, with that right comes mine, and anyone elses, right of reply. Instead of attacking Folau personally and trying to quell his right to say anything, and then hamfistedly try and sack him for breach of contract, all Rugby Australia had to do was re-iterate, as many times as needed, that they unreservedly do not agree with Folau, his words are abhorrent, at odds with general society, and not needed in a pluralist and secular nation like Australia. And then, at the end of his contract, part ways and donāt re-sign him. Problem is, they had warned him about this before, and reminded him of his contract obligations. He still did it again. Sackable offence. He had had his warning. You canāt sack someone for their religious beliefs. You of all people, Father, should know that. The āwarningā is immaterial if it cannot be upheld, contract or not. What it probably wouldāve boiled down to is the cliched ābringing the game into disreputeā line. And, I dare say, knowing what I know about Rugby in Sydney at the very least, Folau was not bringing the game into disrepute, moreover he was preaching to the choir. The game is well supported by the very conservative Eastern Suburbs, North Shore and Northern Beaches regions and the large ex-pat Islander communities across Western Sydney. Both are probably the most religious demographics in Sydney. And, from this, is where I disagree slightly with Hoskoās take. Rugby Australia assumed that like you and I, there would be a severe backlash across the board. However, whilst there was push back, in the Rugby heartlands there was more support for Folau than they imagined. And this is the biggest problem Rugby in Australia has. It has always misrepresented itself as being popular across a broad and widespread demographic. The reality is that aside from small pockets of Sydney and Brisbane, itās easily the 3rd most popular football code, and in most places, itās 4th (behind Association Football, Australian Football and Rugby League). And in those pockets, the people not only agree with Folau, they know heās their best player. And Folau knew it too.
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Dec 5, 2019 20:05:26 GMT
They also didn't help their cause by going after his wife for not publicly denouncing her husband. WTF? Maria surely should be able to not comment or offer support to her husband without the lynch mob coming out. And that's the problem: Someone writes something offensive so let's claim as many scalps as we can. Let's try to get his wife fired from her job too. And while we're at it let's demand an explanation from every single person who 'liked' the post. Never mind that Garry Ablett Jr gives hundreds of thousands of dollars to various charities: he briefly liked a post I found offensive: that's much more fucking important. I don't understand the mentality at all.
Izzy should still be playing Rugby, Adam Goodes should have retired a legend and still be involved with the game of AFL. Yassmin Abdel Mageid should still be making vaccuous, objectively ridiculous and ignorant comments on Channel 2. This cancel culture horse shit needs to stop. Someone writing or saying something you don't like, no matter how genuine your offence, should not run that person out of their job, sport or country.
I know this makes me the hypocrite of the day given my comments on the "why do lefties make everything political" thread, but this really pisses me off.
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