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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 4, 2019 17:43:45 GMT
I've been thinking about making this thread for a while now. A few months back I heard Alice Merton's song, No Roots, on the local hard rock radio station and I couldn't believe it.
Then about a month ago they started playing the Blink 182 song, I Miss You, off their self titled album. First, that album is at least 10 years old. Second, it wasn't even a radio single at the time, and third, this station definitely wasn't playing it when it came out.
Now today I hear them playing Yellowcard's song, Ocean Avenue. That album came out in 2003. 16 years ago. Think about that for a second. Not a single hard rock radio station in existence was playing Ocean Avenue 16 years ago. But now the local modern hard rock station is digging up 16 year old semi-popular emo-pop songs from 2003.
I would ask you why this is happening, but I already know, so I'll tell you. There is a severe drought in radio friendly modern hard rock music. They are desperate. So they're playing something, anything with a decent hook, to try to get people to listen.
Now...your thoughts on this crisis?
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 4, 2019 17:52:04 GMT
I only listen to terrestrial AM FM radio for local sports, traffic, news and weather. Otherwise it’s Sirius XM or my phone. For rock music my city has terrible FM stations.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 17:58:20 GMT
Rock radio is pretty much dead. Hell, rock music is pretty much dead. It saddens me to say this given that I grew up with rock music and rock radio but I can't even name a single pure rock band from the last 20 years that I think has any relevance. It seems like rock just had nowhere to go after the Grunge/Alt. rock/nu-metal/pop-punk thing of the 90s and early-mid 00s, so it just got replaced by hip-hop and various forms of pop (especially electronic pop). If we look beyond the mainstream, then we might say it's still alive in the form of indie rock and post-rock, but even those genres are either very far away from what rock used to be, or are barely blips on most people's musical radars. These days, I'd say the only new rock-related music worth seeking out is metal, but that genre has gone way past the point of accessibility, much less radio airplay. But at least there are bands in that genre making new, vital music and pushing things forward rather than just regurgitating alt. rock or pop punk cliches that are already 20+ years old.
Perhaps the only rock band worth a damn these days is Alter Bridge... and how sad is it that Creed + a great singer is the best that rock music has to offer? Maybe I could stretch that to include Paramore, which, despite not being very original, are at least incredibly fun with a real talent for radio-friendly hooks. But even their last album was a big step away from traditional rock music and towards electronic/synth-pop.
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 4, 2019 18:09:01 GMT
Rock radio is pretty much dead. Hell, rock music is pretty much dead. It saddens me to say this given that I grew up with rock music and rock radio but I can't even name a single pure rock band from the last 20 years that I think has any relevance. It seems like rock just had nowhere to go after the Grunge/Alt. rock/nu-metal/pop-punk thing of the 90s and early-mid 00s, so it just got replaced by hip-hop and various forms of pop (especially electronic pop). If we look beyond the mainstream, then we might say it's still alive in the form of indie rock and post-rock, but even those genres are either very far away from what rock used to be, or are barely blips on most people's musical radars. These days, I'd say the only new rock-related music worth seeking out is metal, but that genre has gone way past the point of accessibility, much less radio airplay. But at least there are bands in that genre making new, vital music and pushing things forward rather than just regurgitating alt. rock or pop punk cliches that are already 20+ years old. Perhaps the only rock band worth a damn these days is Alter Bridge... and how sad is it that Creed + a great singer is the best that rock music has to offer? Maybe I could stretch that to include Paramore, which, despite not being very original, are at least incredibly fun with a real talent for radio-friendly hooks. But even their last album was a big step away from traditional rock music and towards electronic/synth-pop. I completely agree that popular, modern hard rock essentially died after the nu-metal craze of the 00s. Pop punk had it's moment in the 00s too, but that was getting a lot of play on pop radio at the time. The last truly popular hard rock band I can remember was Hinder. They were pretty huge for a moment 10-15 or so years ago, and even had some cross over success. But when's the last time you heard them? Maaaaybe Audioslave, too. Edit: Also, I remember there being a backlash against nu-metal at the end. I remember an article that came out titled something like, How Fred Durst Killed Rock Music. Once people decided they didn't like Limp Bizkit anymore, it was pretty much over for the subgenre as a whole. And I don't think rock ever really recovered. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 4, 2019 18:50:55 GMT
Rock radio is pretty much dead. Hell, rock music is pretty much dead. It saddens me to say this given that I grew up with rock music and rock radio but I can't even name a single pure rock band from the last 20 years that I think has any relevance. It seems like rock just had nowhere to go after the Grunge/Alt. rock/nu-metal/pop-punk thing of the 90s and early-mid 00s, so it just got replaced by hip-hop and various forms of pop (especially electronic pop). If we look beyond the mainstream, then we might say it's still alive in the form of indie rock and post-rock, but even those genres are either very far away from what rock used to be, or are barely blips on most people's musical radars. These days, I'd say the only new rock-related music worth seeking out is metal, but that genre has gone way past the point of accessibility, much less radio airplay. But at least there are bands in that genre making new, vital music and pushing things forward rather than just regurgitating alt. rock or pop punk cliches that are already 20+ years old. Perhaps the only rock band worth a damn these days is Alter Bridge... and how sad is it that Creed + a great singer is the best that rock music has to offer? Maybe I could stretch that to include Paramore, which, despite not being very original, are at least incredibly fun with a real talent for radio-friendly hooks. But even their last album was a big step away from traditional rock music and towards electronic/synth-pop. I completely agree that popular, modern hard rock essentially died after the nu-metal craze of the 00s. Pop punk had it's moment in the 00s too, but that was getting a lot of play on pop radio at the time. The last truly popular hard rock band I can remember was Hinder. They were pretty huge for a moment 10-15 or so years ago, and even had some cross over success. But when's the last time you heard them? Maaaaybe Audioslave, too. Edit: Also, I remember there being a backlash against nu-metal at the end. I remember an article that came out titled something like, How Fred Durst Killed Rock Music. Once people decided they didn't like Limp Bizkit anymore, it was pretty much over for the subgenre as a whole. I was backlashing against nu-metal from the beginning! The entire genre was basically the worst aspects of rock/metal and rap rolled together in a giant shit-ball. I wouldn't necessarily blame Fred Durst or any one band/artist, though. It was just a collective failure for rock bands to do anything good and original after that.
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 4, 2019 18:58:30 GMT
I completely agree that popular, modern hard rock essentially died after the nu-metal craze of the 00s. Pop punk had it's moment in the 00s too, but that was getting a lot of play on pop radio at the time. The last truly popular hard rock band I can remember was Hinder. They were pretty huge for a moment 10-15 or so years ago, and even had some cross over success. But when's the last time you heard them? Maaaaybe Audioslave, too. Edit: Also, I remember there being a backlash against nu-metal at the end. I remember an article that came out titled something like, How Fred Durst Killed Rock Music. Once people decided they didn't like Limp Bizkit anymore, it was pretty much over for the subgenre as a whole. I was backlashing against nu-metal from the beginning! The entire genre was basically the worst aspects of rock/metal and rap rolled together in a giant shit-ball. I wouldn't necessarily blame Fred Durst or any one band/artist, though. It was just a collective failure for rock bands to do anything good and original after that. I think Limp Bizkit took the brunt of the blame because they were so big. I remember when Chocolate Starfish came out. It's release was a legitimate cultural event. |
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Post by mrellaguru on Dec 4, 2019 19:56:09 GMT
I don't listen to the radio.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Dec 5, 2019 1:42:50 GMT
I completely agree that popular, modern hard rock essentially died after the nu-metal craze of the 00s. Pop punk had it's moment in the 00s too, but that was getting a lot of play on pop radio at the time. The last truly popular hard rock band I can remember was Hinder. They were pretty huge for a moment 10-15 or so years ago, and even had some cross over success. But when's the last time you heard them? Maaaaybe Audioslave, too. Edit: Also, I remember there being a backlash against nu-metal at the end. I remember an article that came out titled something like, How Fred Durst Killed Rock Music. Once people decided they didn't like Limp Bizkit anymore, it was pretty much over for the subgenre as a whole. I was backlashing against nu-metal from the beginning! The entire genre was basically the worst aspects of rock/metal and rap rolled together in a giant shit-ball. I wouldn't necessarily blame Fred Durst or any one band/artist, though. It was just a collective failure for rock bands to do anything good and original after that. The band of that era I disliked the most was Korn. Say what you want about Limp Bizkit, they had a few (just a few) catchy songs. But Korn - God I hated their sound. My roommate at the time loved them so I’d hear a lot from them and there wasn’t a single song that I remotely liked. |
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 5, 2019 3:56:05 GMT
There is a severe drought in radio friendly modern hard rock music. They are desperate. So they're playing something, anything with a decent hook, to try to get people to listen. Now...your thoughts on this crisis? The medium of radio itself is in crisis. iHeartMedia and Cumulus Media, the number one and number two radio companies in the U.S. respectively, have both gone through bankruptcy in recent years. Both were profitable at the net income line in their latest quarters, with $12.37 million and $16.3 million respectively. However, their debt balances when emerging from bankruptcy were in the billions: $5.75 and $1.30 respectively. Furthermore, a study released in 2017 suggests that traditional radio could be dead in ten years. The study also notes that, "Younger music listeners have increasingly turned to sites like YouTube to discover new artists and songs." Now as to the dubious playlist of your local hard rock radio station, I can't really comment. Like mrellaguru, I don't listen to the radio. I rely on YouTube as my "radio station". And in the last few years I have found plenty of traditional heavy metal that is melodic, if not exactly "radio-friendly". P.S. Here are my favorite 2015, 2016-ish, 2017, 2018, and 2019 albums.
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Dec 5, 2019 4:11:42 GMT
I was backlashing against nu-metal from the beginning! The entire genre was basically the worst aspects of rock/metal and rap rolled together in a giant shit-ball. I wouldn't necessarily blame Fred Durst or any one band/artist, though. It was just a collective failure for rock bands to do anything good and original after that. The band of that era I disliked the most was Korn. Say what you want about Limp Bizkit, they had a few (just a few) catchy songs. But Korn - God I hated their sound. My roommate at the time loved them so I’d hear a lot from them and there wasn’t a single song that I remotely liked.
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Dec 5, 2019 15:23:16 GMT
I was backlashing against nu-metal from the beginning! The entire genre was basically the worst aspects of rock/metal and rap rolled together in a giant shit-ball. I wouldn't necessarily blame Fred Durst or any one band/artist, though. It was just a collective failure for rock bands to do anything good and original after that. The band of that era I disliked the most was Korn. Say what you want about Limp Bizkit, they had a few (just a few) catchy songs. But Korn - God I hated their sound. My roommate at the time loved them so I’d hear a lot from them and there wasn’t a single song that I remotely liked. I'm more the reverse; I can at least appreciate Korn because they had a pretty original sound (though very much influenced by Sepultura's Chaos AD), but Limp Bizkit offered nothing original, just a combination of everything that was worst about metal and rap.
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Post by petrolino on Dec 7, 2019 12:03:38 GMT
I don't listen to the radio. I don't listen to the radio either. Though I do enjoy listening to certain radio broadcasts made available as online recordings.
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Post by sjg on Dec 11, 2019 18:13:04 GMT
I stopped listening to the radio over 15 years ago. I hear snippets from time to time when i'm in someone elses car but i'm never impressed with what i hear. Radio has been a dead medium for me for a long time.
There is plenty of radio friendly rock out there and plenty of relevant, good and new rock artists. You just have to find them. The Scandinavian rock scene is healthy and some of their stuff really rocks.
I like all genres of rock and metal and never had a problem with nu-metal or Korn. Melodic rock will always be my baby but i'll happily check out anything from classic rock to metalcore to black metal and at least be interested by it.
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Post by alejandro on Dec 11, 2019 19:03:04 GMT
I laugh at the notion that rock music is dead - there's still plenty of rock artists doing interesting and inventive stuff in this day and age, even if it's slipped behind in terms of mainstream dominance relative to other genres around right now. But so long as there's a thriving rock scene and people are still getting together to form bands or even make their own solo ventures, it won't 'die', any less than jazz is now 'dead'. Tell that to Shabaka Hutchings, Kamasi Washington or the members of Fire!, see what they have to say on the matter.
That said, radio is a bit of another matter. I don't think you can make a crisis out of something that is largely irrelevant, as radio as a platform's been since the streaming boom and so on. Now, I'm pretty sure that Spotify can make a few automated lists with modern hard rock songs if that's what you're looking for. Also there's possibly the matter that the reason the radio chooses to prioritize older, better-known tracks is simply because that's what the hard rock crowd look for - in my experience at least, their tastes often tend towards the older and "established" acts opposite to newer or unfamiliar fare.
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