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Post by politicidal on Dec 20, 2019 23:14:49 GMT
Not as โemvarrassingโ as pining for an actress to overdose on pills. 40 000 posts? Really? You must be the saddest person I ever came across. bye . blocking you. good riddance. Happy holidays to you too then.
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Post by mecano04 on Dec 21, 2019 3:07:15 GMT
Having seen it, I really don't know how this film will go. On the one hand, it's really not a good movie in terms of story, characters, etc. I was entertained, for various reasons, but a large part of that was "what the hell is going on here!" type stuff. Not so much a case of so-bad-it's-funny as so odd it's fun to see where it's going to go next. But it's not good, and I can see it flopping hard. But then again, the "end of the saga" stuff might bring out crowds sufficient to make a billion+ dollar movie. possibly a biiiig +. Honestly nothing that happens will surprise me - from Force Awakens blockbuster to Solo flop, it could do anything. Saw it yesterday with my cousin and you summarized quite well how we felt about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 3:14:52 GMT
Here's the cinema I was at, just a few minutes before the film started. This was their very first showing of the film. It was, admittedly, a midnight showing.
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Post by bluerisk on Dec 21, 2019 21:12:11 GMT
Did you just say $150 million is "flopping"? Lol. If you need around 600 million to break even...and they also have paid 4.3 billion for the franchise rights. Solo made close to 400 million and still also made a loss in the three digits.
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Post by Nora on Dec 21, 2019 21:19:42 GMT
Did you just say $150 million is "flopping"? Lol. it would be, for this particular movie with a budget at 300 (and double that to include marketing)
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 22, 2019 4:15:43 GMT
The tracking I've seen is about $190 million. And of your trying to call $190 million "failing", then you are reaching.
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 22, 2019 17:49:31 GMT
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 22, 2019 18:16:18 GMT
The B.O. means little to Disney. For some reason they no longer fire executives if a movie doesn't do as well as expected. They used to make a big fuss about it. Probably just symptoms of a mental disorder to get attention. In the 1960s and 70s such data never even got any news because no one cared how much a movie made, only if it was worth seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2019 18:25:21 GMT
12 million opening in China. ๐๐๐๐
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Post by arekay on Dec 22, 2019 18:31:35 GMT
What a disgrace
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 22, 2019 18:42:16 GMT
The B.O. means little to Disney. I don't think they spent millions on reshoots, and millions more on marketing, because they didn't care about the box office. If they truly didn't care about the box office, they would have released the first cut as is with minimal marketing and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post by Prime etc. on Dec 22, 2019 18:58:50 GMT
I don't think they spent millions on reshoots, and millions more on marketing, because they didn't care about the box office. If they truly didn't care about the box office, they would have released the first cut as is with minimal marketing and let the chips fall where they may. They have corporate machinery to grease. If they cared about it so much they would be calculating what appeals best for what audience in what quadrant. They certainly would have pre-planned the Star Wars films in detail. The fact that they did not shows they are not concerned (probably because there is no competition).
They prefer one-size-fits-all which is not the way to guarantee enthusiastic returns. It's like buying Coca-Cola and adding oriental tea to the mix for everyone just because some Asian countries like it. Makes more sense to think local.
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Post by driftin on Dec 22, 2019 19:13:17 GMT
This thread is a flop.
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Post by alejandro on Dec 22, 2019 19:22:52 GMT
Did you just say $150 million is "flopping"? Lol. If you need around 600 million to break even...and they also have paid 4.3 billion for the franchise rights. Solo made close to 400 million and still also made a loss in the three digits. Solo made close to $400 million in its entire lifespan. In a single weekend The Rise of Skywalker's close to clearing that benchmark. It's doing fine, it'll most likely be over $700 million by the end of the next weekend, and with the rest of its lifespan still to go. You can argue that it's not a massive success, especially considering the numbers brought in by prior episodes; but calling it a flop is outright incorrect, and also reeking of wishful thinking.
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Post by alpha128 on Dec 22, 2019 19:29:55 GMT
I don't think they spent millions on reshoots, and millions more on marketing, because they didn't care about the box office. If they truly didn't care about the box office, they would have released the first cut as is with minimal marketing and let the chips fall where they may. They have corporate machinery to grease. If they cared about it so much they would be calculating what appeals best for what audience in what quadrant. They certainly would have pre-planned the Star Wars films in detail. The fact that they did not shows they are not concerned (probably because there is no competition). I agree that the lack of planning was the downfall of the sequel trilogy. Apparently the success of The Force Awakens made them think they could slap the "Star Wars" brand on anything and it would be a big success - until Solo taught them the hard way that was not the case. By the time they learned the error of their ways, it was too late to create a cohesive narrative.
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Post by dazz on Dec 22, 2019 20:11:51 GMT
If you need around 600 million to break even...and they also have paid 4.3 billion for the franchise rights. Solo made close to 400 million and still also made a loss in the three digits. Solo made close to $400 million in its entire lifespan. In a single weekend The Rise of Skywalker's close to clearing that benchmark. It's doing fine, it'll most likely be over $700 million by the end of the next weekend, and with the rest of its lifespan still to go. You can argue that it's not a massive success, especially considering the numbers brought in by prior episodes; but calling it a flop is outright incorrect, and also reeking of wishful thinking. Calling it a flop now is premature, could absolutely go either way, if the good audience word of mouth spreads and is picked up it could possibly do 3.5x it's opening weekend for it's run, if the bad critical word of moth spreads though then it could drop to below a 3x multiplier to maybe a 2.75x which depending on the actual budget and marketing which is anywhere between $400m-485m could result in TROS being a flop, all depends on which narrative people pick up on, or if they pick up on either, if neither gains strong traction this will likely do 3-3.2x it's opening which would make it a success, but still TROS due to it's cost has a very high break even point, which a lot of people praising this opening seem to forget, it's going to need around $900m minimum to break even, possibly as high as over $1b just to break even, it is crazy due to the sheer expense of the movie.
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 23, 2019 0:09:35 GMT
The B.O. means little to Disney. For some reason they no longer fire executives if a movie doesn't do as well as expected. They used to make a big fuss about it. Probably just symptoms of a mental disorder to get attention. In the 1960s and 70s such data never even got any news because no one cared how much a movie made, only if it was worth seeing. If Disney believed women were equal to men, they would have fired Kathleen Kennedy after Solo bombed, but they believe women are less than men and should be protected from the consequences of bad decisions.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 23, 2019 0:37:42 GMT
I think the media is blaming fans for this underperforming ๐
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Dec 23, 2019 0:51:59 GMT
The B.O. means little to Disney. For some reason they no longer fire executives if a movie doesn't do as well as expected. They used to make a big fuss about it. Probably just symptoms of a mental disorder to get attention. In the 1960s and 70s such data never even got any news because no one cared how much a movie made, only if it was worth seeing. If Disney believed women were equal to men, they would have fired Kathleen Kennedy after Solo bombed, but they believe women are less than men and should be protected from the consequences of bad decisions. Exactly 1 of 5 films bombed. You mad the Fandom Menace boycott didn't work, bro?
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Post by johnspartan on Dec 23, 2019 1:23:17 GMT
If Disney believed women were equal to men, they would have fired Kathleen Kennedy after Solo bombed, but they believe women are less than men and should be protected from the consequences of bad decisions. Exactly 1 of 5 films bombed. You mad the Fandom Menace boycott didn't work, bro? It didn't?
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