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Post by MrFurious on Jan 2, 2020 14:38:08 GMT
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Post by hi224 on Jan 3, 2020 5:50:37 GMT
post on true crime as well.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 3, 2020 7:12:31 GMT
MrFurious , Thanks for posting that link to that article. I think that is the best written and most detailed account of the event, I've ever read. Yes, This one of the most mysterious cases of all time... I'll always find this tidbit interesting: Not every article about this incident, mentions the Yeti sighting... While many skeptics will claim that this was NOT a "Non Natural" event... I believe that claiming it as being a "Natural" event is actually way more difficult than most skeptics will admit... Because, when one examines ALL the evidence, it becomes clear that it could NOT have been just ONE "Natural" event that happened to these people. Not even two, or possibly even more... And so, one has to come up with several different things happening to these people, all at the same time, to explain their fates... And the odds of all of those happening, "naturally", at the same time, are very unlikely... Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation, tends to be the correct one... Believe it or not, these people experiencing some sort of a "Non Natural" event, would actually be much simpler to explain. But, who knows, maybe this group really did encounter the " Perfect Storm" of natural forces, in one remote location, that had never before happened anywhere else in the history of man... ...AND, they Encountered a Yeti, too? LOL!
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Post by maya55555 on Jan 6, 2020 5:24:39 GMT
If you look closely at the photo the arms are too thin as are the legs. The head is well defined. I heard that it was a photo of one of the campers, not a yeti.
I had asked my Ukrainian driver about this case and he stated: It was not a big deal as people disappear every day in Soviet Union.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 15, 2020 18:04:01 GMT
Great article, thank you for posting it. I think the allure of mystery is blinding people to an obvious explanation. You tell me that a bunch of intelligent young college students went off in a remote location and later exhibited bizarre behavior, the first thing that comes to my mind is drug use, probably designer drugs. My guess based on interpretations of the students behavior would be LSD. They had access to University chemistry lab, LSD was known to academics at the time, its effects were still poorly understood, it was unregulated, and the effects last roughly 12 hours which is more than long enough to freeze to death under those conditions. One of the side effects of LSD is nature walks, when people decide to go for a walk to burn off some of the surplus energy the drug gives them and enjoy nature. LSD would have also been impossible for pathologists to detect in the body at that time, and all but impossible to detect now that so much time has passed. As for the broken bodies, they were discovered months after the incident after the snow had melted and their bodies could easily have been broken by natural forces during that time. Missing eyes are easily explained by scavengers.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 18, 2020 2:57:57 GMT
I think this was in the general forum... Anyways, I wiki'd it & I'm probably in the parachute mine theory camp. Air dropped mines, into remote forested area. From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incidentThis theory alleges that the hikers, woken by loud explosions, fled the tent in a shoeless panic and found themselves unable to return for supply retrieval. After some members froze to death attempting to endure the bombardment, others commandeered their clothing only to be fatally injured by subsequent parachute mine concussions. There are indeed records of parachute mines being tested by the Soviet military in the area around the time the hikers were there.[42] Parachute mines detonate while still in the air rather than upon striking the Earth's surface and produce signature injuries similar to those experienced by the hikers: heavy internal damage with comparably less external trauma. The theory coincides with reported sightings of glowing, orange orbs floating or falling in the sky within the general vicinity of the hikers and allegedly photographed by them,[43] potentially military aircraft or descending parachute mines. This theory (among others) uses scavenging animals to explain Dubinina's injuries.[44] Some speculate the bodies were unnaturally manipulated due to characteristic livor mortis markings discovered during autopsy, as well as burns to hair and skin. Photographs of the tent allegedly show that it was apparently erected incorrectly, something the experienced hikers were unlikely to have done.[45]
I mean, not everything need be as bizarre as UFOs, ETs, &/or Yetis. It's like 9/11... had that occurred at night, there'd still be witness accounts of Russian subs in the Hudson firing missiles.
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Post by hi224 on Jan 18, 2020 4:12:53 GMT
I think this was in the general forum... Anyways, I wiki'd it & I'm probably in the parachute mine theory camp. Air dropped mines, into remote forested area. From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyatlov_Pass_incidentThis theory alleges that the hikers, woken by loud explosions, fled the tent in a shoeless panic and found themselves unable to return for supply retrieval. After some members froze to death attempting to endure the bombardment, others commandeered their clothing only to be fatally injured by subsequent parachute mine concussions. There are indeed records of parachute mines being tested by the Soviet military in the area around the time the hikers were there.[42] Parachute mines detonate while still in the air rather than upon striking the Earth's surface and produce signature injuries similar to those experienced by the hikers: heavy internal damage with comparably less external trauma. The theory coincides with reported sightings of glowing, orange orbs floating or falling in the sky within the general vicinity of the hikers and allegedly photographed by them,[43] potentially military aircraft or descending parachute mines. This theory (among others) uses scavenging animals to explain Dubinina's injuries.[44] Some speculate the bodies were unnaturally manipulated due to characteristic livor mortis markings discovered during autopsy, as well as burns to hair and skin. Photographs of the tent allegedly show that it was apparently erected incorrectly, something the experienced hikers were unlikely to have done.[45]
I mean, not everything need be as bizarre as UFOs, ETs, &/or Yetis. It's like 9/11... had that occurred at night, there'd still be witness accounts of Russian subs in the Hudson firing missiles. I believe it was a military exercise gone wrong, seems plausible to me, no conspiracy just merely accidental.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 18, 2020 5:22:47 GMT
I told this story to 3 people, minus the year and country, all 3 said drugs right off the bat. The pass is remote and inhospitable, the only reason kids go far away from adults is to do things they shouldn't. Although we concocted a crazy scenario where a bear wanders into the tent in the middle of the night looking for food, the kids wake up and freak, the bear freaks and claws the tent open, everyone scatters, gets lost, dies. I think it's highly unlikely but it's still a lot more likely than parachuting grenades or yetis.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 27, 2020 6:24:32 GMT
I told this story to 3 people, minus the year and country, all 3 said drugs right off the bat. The pass is remote and inhospitable, the only reason kids go far away from adults is to do things they shouldn't. Although we concocted a crazy scenario where a bear wanders into the tent in the middle of the night looking for food, the kids wake up and freak, the bear freaks and claws the tent open, everyone scatters, gets lost, dies. I think it's highly unlikely but it's still a lot more likely than parachuting grenades or yetis. If they were all banged up on smack or something, in that environment, it might've only taken one person's freakout to trigger them all. I blame aliens who wanted to return overdue library books.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 28, 2020 20:43:40 GMT
thought that too, but wouldn’t a bear most likely be hibernating in winter? I did say it was highly unlikely.
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Post by MCDemuth on Jan 28, 2020 21:21:16 GMT
Although we concocted a crazy scenario where a bear wanders into the tent in the middle of the night looking for food, the kids wake up and freak, the bear freaks and claws the tent open, everyone scatters, gets lost, dies. Now there's a theory I never considered. I've always thought that that it was supposed to have been the hikers who ripped open the side of the tent from the inside... and that just didn't make any sense to me, since it should have been easier to just go out through the regular opening. Yes, a bear, or some other wild animal, would make more sense. But, a bear, wouldn't explain all of the implied actions and effects that have been noted concerning the entire group of hikers. That's what it all comes down to, at least for me... Not one single theory explains it all... And that's where it gets weird, and why the mystery, not just for me but for many others as well, continues on. A Yeti, Strange Lights, A Bear, Radioactive Snow, High Impact Injuries, Freezing To Death, Strange Skin Coloration, Body Parts being eaten, & No Survivors?... Wow, if ALL those things happened to this large group, at the same time, Then... To Quote Star Trek DS9's Ben Sisko: "They were a very unlucky group of people, wouldn't you say?" Not impossible, just hard to except.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 29, 2020 3:03:51 GMT
One problem for me was that every article had unique details and there were accusations of journalistic sensationalism and lies so I tried to focus on commonalities which whittles away a lot. Then I think how do teenagers behave -- the location was remote, thinly populated, and not particularly good for skiing even though it was a ski trip. The group were close knit, highly intelligent, athletic, so probably overconfident and sexually active. Drugs are a strong likelihood although probably nothing common, they could do those closer to home and would have been recognized by rescue teams unless they lied about not finding any. One or more kids have a bad trip, things get out of hand, and once the tent is ripped people start dying.
The bear is a possibility, they leave food out, maybe someone gets up in the middle of the night and goes outside leaving the tent door open. The smell of food attracts an animal.
After the tent rips there is no use staying. People scatter, some try to walk out. The kids are either lost or afraid to return to the tent. One article says they built a snow cave but didn't stay in it. The bashed up bodies were those found months later after being exposed to nature and animals.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jan 29, 2020 5:29:25 GMT
I told this story to 3 people, minus the year and country, all 3 said drugs right off the bat. The pass is remote and inhospitable, the only reason kids go far away from adults is to do things they shouldn't. Although we concocted a crazy scenario where a bear wanders into the tent in the middle of the night looking for food, the kids wake up and freak, the bear freaks and claws the tent open, everyone scatters, gets lost, dies. I think it's highly unlikely but it's still a lot more likely than parachuting grenades or yetis. I thought that too, but wouldn’t a bear most likely be hibernating in winter? Contrary to Hollywood movies & tv, I would highly doubt a bear ripping through a tent like a f'n T-Rex from JP, unless provoked.
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Post by Sarge on Jan 29, 2020 9:10:47 GMT
It was cold war spetsnaz yetis parachuting from nazi UFOs carrying mines that exploded in mid air making yetis extinct and frightening the campers out of the tent and blowing 4 of them miles away where they lay undisturbed for 4 months. Two more campers climbed a tree to escape the surviving yeti and died of fright. Steve Austin arrived soon after, threw the spetsnaz yeti into outer space, built a snow cave for the night, and ran home in the morning. The end... or is it. (Queue Twilight Zone theme)
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 1, 2022 15:55:09 GMT
I saw this article and I thought I should share: link
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2022 17:16:54 GMT
Been awhile but I don't believe anything in the initial report indicated an avalanche. Something happened in the middle of the night that caused panic and forced them out into the cold, unprepared.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 24, 2022 3:19:29 GMT
Another theory: Most of the theories all occurred.
Nuclear weapons test caused radioactivity in the area, as well as panic, as well as freak snow event on the ridge... & then wild animals nipped at their corpses until found. Apparently it's not abnormal for frostbite to inflict burning sensations - which may explain shedding clothing.
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Post by MCDemuth on Apr 24, 2022 5:16:03 GMT
then wild animals nipped at their corpses until found. This incident took place in the mountains during the winter... So... Two Questions, which hardly anyone ever considers when proposing this particular theory... 1.) What animals?... Are there many animals roaming the tops of snow covered mountains during the winter?... Looking for food, which normally wouldn't be there anyway... 2.) Frozen Corpses... Even if there was some animal randomly roaming the area... How were they able to just remove and eat frozen eyes and a frozen tongue from bodies that were frozen solid, without tearing their frozen faces apart to get at them? I have trouble chopping up frozen meat from the freezer with a very sharp kitchen knife... I would love to know how the animals did it... It's more likely these body parts were removed AS they died. And what animal could have big enough to kill the hikers, but then just eat their eyes and tongue and nothing else?... Or the animals found them shortly after they died, but before they quickly froze... However, that seems like quite coincidental timing, though. The animal(s) just happens to come across bodies on a remote mountain, just moments after something killed them...
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Post by lunda2222 on Apr 25, 2022 7:40:35 GMT
I told this story to 3 people, minus the year and country, all 3 said drugs right off the bat. The pass is remote and inhospitable, the only reason kids go far away from adults is to do things they shouldn't. Although we concocted a crazy scenario where a bear wanders into the tent in the middle of the night looking for food, the kids wake up and freak, the bear freaks and claws the tent open, everyone scatters, gets lost, dies. I think it's highly unlikely but it's still a lot more likely than parachuting grenades or yetis. The official explanation of an avalanche is by far most likely.
The tent was slashed, but it was slashed from the inside, which means they where in quite the hurry to get out. Which is further confirmed that most of them had no shoes on when they fled. It would definitively account from most of the damages to the people. The rest is simply wild animals feeding on the corpses or natural decay.
As for the high radiation on some of the clothes, one of them,Alexander Kolevatov was worked in producing materials for the growing nuclear industry. It's extremely likely it came from him.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 25, 2022 18:04:33 GMT
I told this story to 3 people, minus the year and country, all 3 said drugs right off the bat. The pass is remote and inhospitable, the only reason kids go far away from adults is to do things they shouldn't. Although we concocted a crazy scenario where a bear wanders into the tent in the middle of the night looking for food, the kids wake up and freak, the bear freaks and claws the tent open, everyone scatters, gets lost, dies. I think it's highly unlikely but it's still a lot more likely than parachuting grenades or yetis. The official explanation of an avalanche is by far most likely.
The tent was slashed, but it was slashed from the inside, which means they where in quite the hurry to get out. Which is further confirmed that most of them had no shoes on when they fled. It would definitively account from most of the damages to the people. The rest is simply wild animals feeding on the corpses or natural decay.
As for the high radiation on some of the clothes, one of them,Alexander Kolevatov was worked in producing materials for the growing nuclear industry. It's extremely likely it came from him.
The avalanche theory is controversial, the geography and lack of evidence make it extremely unlikely. And IIRC there was no suggestion of an avalanche by the rescue team. I don't know how carefully you have researched the mystery but a lot of the claims were sensationalism by journalists and others blatantly making things up for stories. There is actually very little evidence for anything which makes it likely to be something mundane like drugs. Tell the story to random people, or especially police officers, leave out the location and date and see what they say.
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