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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 22:46:00 GMT
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jan 2, 2020 22:56:35 GMT
He probably saw too much of his own work in it and wasn’t happy. Can’t blame him.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 2, 2020 23:15:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 23:21:03 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 3, 2020 9:11:52 GMT
well he just saw clips of Joker and called them fine.
If you know the man that is the highest praise he would give to this type of movie.
Remember he called Marvel films not being movies, theme park rides and disgusting.
He just does not like cinematic junk food. It's appreciated.
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Post by sostie on Jan 3, 2020 17:50:23 GMT
well he just saw clips of Joker and called them fine. If you know the man that is the highest praise he would give to this type of movie. Remember he called Marvel films not being movies, and disgusting. He just does not like cinematic junk food. It's appreciated. Read the original articles He responded to Marvel in particular because he was asked about Marvel in particular (read the Empire article, not the reports on it). But his problem seems to be with all super hero franchise cinema - he clarifies that in follow up interviews. His 1000+ favourite films do not list any "blockbuster" or franchise films after 1982, except one...Raimi's Spider-Man. No Marvel, no DC, no Lord Of The Rings, no Dark Knight(in fact no Nolan films), no Star Wars (and before 82 ONLY Star Wars) etc. He never called Marvel films "disgusting". He later clarified his original statement He also said some Hitchcock films can be seen as "theme park rides"
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 3, 2020 18:23:12 GMT
well he just saw clips of Joker and called them fine. If you know the man that is the highest praise he would give to this type of movie. Remember he called Marvel films not being movies, and disgusting. He just does not like cinematic junk food. It's appreciated. Read the original articles He responded to Marvel in particular because he was asked about Marvel in particular (read the Empire article, not the reports on it). But his problem seems to be with all super hero franchise cinema - he clarifies that in follow up interviews. His 1000+ favourite films do not list any "blockbuster" or franchise films after 1982, except one...Raimi's Spider-Man. No Marvel, no DC, no Lord Of The Rings, no Dark Knight(in fact no Nolan films), no Star Wars (and before 82 ONLY Star Wars) etc. He never called Marvel films "disgusting". He later clarified his original statement He also said some Hitchcock films can be seen as "theme park rides" ok, looked it up, Francis Ford Coppola (Godfather, Apoc Now) said the MCU films are disgusting, no sorry, "despicable", defending Scorsese. Makes it actually worse does it not? www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/marvel-movies-francis-ford-coppola-disney-martin-scorsese-a9163816.htmlI wouldn't go that far, cinematic junk food will do. But then I find junk food disgusting, thus the circle is complete.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 3, 2020 18:47:39 GMT
Oh no. The broken record plays on.
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Post by sostie on Jan 3, 2020 19:40:19 GMT
Read the original articles He responded to Marvel in particular because he was asked about Marvel in particular (read the Empire article, not the reports on it). But his problem seems to be with all super hero franchise cinema - he clarifies that in follow up interviews. His 1000+ favourite films do not list any "blockbuster" or franchise films after 1982, except one...Raimi's Spider-Man. No Marvel, no DC, no Lord Of The Rings, no Dark Knight(in fact no Nolan films), no Star Wars (and before 82 ONLY Star Wars) etc. He never called Marvel films "disgusting". He later clarified his original statement He also said some Hitchcock films can be seen as "theme park rides" ok, looked it up, Francis Ford Coppola (Godfather, Apoc Now) said the MCU films are disgusting, no sorry, "despicable", defending Scorsese. Makes it actually worse does it not? www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/marvel-movies-francis-ford-coppola-disney-martin-scorsese-a9163816.htmlI wouldn't go that far, cinematic junk food will do. But then I find junk food disgusting, thus the circle is complete. Makes what worse? Scorsese says they (and other franchise films) are not for him. He's a director I admire, and understand what he is saying (or rather what he says in the original articles not the re-posted, re-edited ones)...it's his opinion, he's entitled to it. Coppola I admire less so....he's still entitled to his opinion. Spielberg, who I admire as much as Scorsese , loves (his words) Donner's Superman, The Dark Knight the first Iron Man and above all of them,Guardians of the Galaxy. Great choices...but still just his opinion. It doesn't make the reasons anyone likes or dislikes these films more or less valid. And what it certainly doesn't do, which one or two on this board seem to think, dictate what is or isn't "art" or "cinema", or makes their opinion as important as the likes of Scorsese or Coppola because they share a dislike of some films, rather than have an appreciation the same films.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Jan 6, 2020 22:04:16 GMT
Read the original articles He responded to Marvel in particular because he was asked about Marvel in particular (read the Empire article, not the reports on it). But his problem seems to be with all super hero franchise cinema - he clarifies that in follow up interviews. His 1000+ favourite films do not list any "blockbuster" or franchise films after 1982, except one...Raimi's Spider-Man. No Marvel, no DC, no Lord Of The Rings, no Dark Knight(in fact no Nolan films), no Star Wars (and before 82 ONLY Star Wars) etc. He never called Marvel films "disgusting". He later clarified his original statement He also said some Hitchcock films can be seen as "theme park rides" ok, looked it up, Francis Ford Coppola (Godfather, Apoc Now) said the MCU films are disgusting, no sorry, "despicable", defending Scorsese. Makes it actually worse does it not? www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/marvel-movies-francis-ford-coppola-disney-martin-scorsese-a9163816.htmlI wouldn't go that far, cinematic junk food will do. But then I find junk food disgusting, thus the circle is complete. When you put words into someone else's mouth just to sell your own argument, you automatically lose all validation as a poster. Try and stay on topic and actually read the article before commenting.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 7, 2020 9:34:40 GMT
well, he just saw clips of Joker and called them fine. If you know the man that is the highest praise he would give to this type of movie. By comparison he said about MCU efforts: " I don’t think they’re cinema,” (New York Times November 4 articel). And in an interview: “ I don’t see them. I tried; ... But that’s not cinema… Honestly, the closest I can think of them, ...is theme parks. It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being." And the great FF Coppola confirmed " Martin was kind when he said it’s not cinema. He didn’t say it’s despicable, which I just say it is". Thus, I think "fine" coming from Scorsesee will do perfectly fine for such a film. Thanks Martin for the marvelous clarifications! (just look at the sincere buttthurt and cognitive dissonance this causes to some here; envy is the most sincere form of compliment.) And congrats JOKER for Globes nominations and win. DC wrote film history again. Now, this is cinema!    |
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2020 16:21:52 GMT
well, he just saw clips of Joker and called them fine. If you know the man that is the highest praise he would give to this type of movie. By comparison he said about MCU efforts: " I don’t think they’re cinema,” (New York Times November 4 articel). And in an interview: “ I don’t see them. I tried; ... But that’s not cinema… Honestly, the closest I can think of them, ...is theme parks. It isn’t the cinema of human beings trying to convey emotional, psychological experiences to another human being." And the great FF Coppola confirmed " Martin was kind when he said it’s not cinema. He didn’t say it’s despicable, which I just say it is". Thus, I think "fine" coming from Scorsesee will do perfectly fine for such a film. Thanks Martin for the marvelous clarifications! (just look at the sincere buttthurt and cognitive dissonance this causes to some here; envy is the most sincere form of compliment.) And congrats JOKER for Globes nominations and win. DC wrote film history again. Now, this is cinema! I don't think he said the MCU, he said Marvel or was simply asked about Marvel, whatever, which then when you take into account the other things he says about the "Marvel" films such as they are pushing out films like his and other "smaller" movies, seems pretty clear he is not speaking of a single studio or franchise, the MCU releases 3 films per year, they take up residence in up to I believe 75% of domestic theatres for about 4 weeks, how is that pushing out smaller movies?
Keep in mind how even those who are solid fans of cbm's get confused over what is what, if they are not hardcore and net savvy fans that is, most casual fans don't know the difference between a Sony Marvel and a Disney Marvel movie or a Fox Marvel movie, and then there are those who just see all cbm's as one clump despite liking them, I have had conversations with people who will tell me they love those Marvel films, Iron Man, Avengers, Batman, Green Lantern...ok maybe not the last one but still, and Scorsese's criticism also apply to more than just CBM's he's clearly not a fan of blockbuster franchise movies, and that as a genre I guess is what he is referring to in his complaints about being boxed out of the theatres, as yeah blockbusters are now almost year round these days, and when you consider most blockbusters like the MCU films take up atleast a screen in 75% of theatres for a month each then yeah the influx of so many blockbusters does cause smaller films to be pushed out.
Then again Scorsese is also lying in some of those interviews, claiming that the big movies is why The Irishman had to go to Netflix because no studio would pay for it, which is a lie, he got $150m initially to fund the movie, he started to inflate the cost and he lost international and then domestic financing, he also was made offers by other studios who would give him a theatrical release but he took the money from Netflix instead, so take some of what Scorsese says with a grain of salt, because he was talking out of his butt a little.
Also Scorsese can say what he wants and is still deserving of respect for the work he continues to make, Coppola not so much, I mean for one what he said is fucking moronic, really making a movie you don't like is despicable? what if someone burns his fucking toast? also is he really one to talk? sure he did The Godfather, but he also did Jack does that make him despicable? I mean more so than the MCU, they as far as I know haven't employed a mass rapist like he did by working with Cosby 
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Post by sostie on Jan 7, 2020 16:28:43 GMT
I mean more so than the MCU, they as far as I know haven't employed a mass rapist like he did by working with Cosby
Not fair...I'm sure he didn't know Cosby's crimes back then. He did however know of Victor Salva's when he championed him and employed him.
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2020 16:37:17 GMT
I mean more so than the MCU, they as far as I know haven't employed a mass rapist like he did by working with Cosby
Not fair...I'm sure he didn't know Cosby's crimes back then. Yeah but still when you know you employed Bill Cosby in a family film, then when giving an interview in 2019 why the fuck would you call a film despicable for being at worst cookie cutter?
 Ok I was just kind of messing around but...
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Post by miike80 on Jan 8, 2020 12:28:18 GMT
Comic book movies are not for him, and i totally understand that. It's not Marvel or DC. This might help:
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