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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 16, 2020 0:44:30 GMT
Kuechly retires at 28. 7 concussions. Antonio Gates quits as well. 2 HOFers. We are prepared to call Luke Keuchly a hall of Famer? Luke Keuchly like grady sizemore, i have no idea who they are, that they played pro sports. frankly, sounds made up.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Jan 16, 2020 0:46:31 GMT
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 16, 2020 0:47:32 GMT
Non players: Bill Cohwer, Jimmy Johnson, Paul Tagliabue, George Young, Steve Sabol. Players: Harold Carmichael, Jimbo Covert, Donnie Shell, Cliff Harris, Alex Karras, Mac Speedie, Winston Hill, Duke Slater, Ed Sprinkle, and Bobby Dillon (like a rolling stone!). I can get on board with Cowher being in the Hall... but before Holmgren? I don’t know. |
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Post by tristramshandy on Jan 16, 2020 1:11:32 GMT
Non players: Bill Cohwer, Jimmy Johnson, Paul Tagliabue, George Young, Steve Sabol. Players: Harold Carmichael, Jimbo Covert, Donnie Shell, Cliff Harris, Alex Karras, Mac Speedie, Winston Hill, Duke Slater, Ed Sprinkle, and Bobby Dillon (like a rolling stone!). I can get on board with Cowher being in the Hall... but before Holmgren? I don’t know. He needs to land a broadcasting job!
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 16, 2020 1:58:12 GMT
Did Johnson really do enough to be inducted? I'm glad he helped Dallas to 2 Super Bowls but an 80-64 record in only 9 years of coaching? Only 4 10+ win seasons. Won his division twice. Johnson didn't do much in Miami so I think the HOF voters are giving Johnson credit for leading the Cowboys from a 1-15 team to a Super Bowl champion in just 4 years and building 1 of the most dominant dynasties in NFL history (From 1992-1995, the Cowboys went 10-1 in postseason, with all 1o postseason wins, including the 3 Super Bowls, by double-digit margins. That's domination that has never been seen before or since in NFL history.)
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Jan 16, 2020 8:41:52 GMT
It's the fewest number of wins for a Hall of Fame coach (not counting guys like Bart Starr who certainly weren't inducted because of their coaching). Hey, guys like Marty Schottenheimer and Marvin Lewis have more wins than Jimmy Johnson, but who would you rather have coaching your team? I don't think either of those guys had anywhere near the talent that Johnson's Cowboys had.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 16, 2020 12:38:44 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him?
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 16, 2020 12:52:48 GMT
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 16, 2020 12:57:35 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? I'm with you on this one. His NFL career record is 80-64. He won back to back titles with a loaded team that some other schmuck also won with after he left. That's HOF worthy?
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 16, 2020 13:46:12 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? It was slightly before my time, so I can't really fully comment on his in-game coaching, but the argument you always hear is that Switzer won with Jimmy Johnson's team, so it seems he gets full credit for putting the right players together. |
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 16, 2020 13:48:40 GMT
Jon Gruden is clearly a great coach because he won with the Bucs while that loser Dungy couldn't.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 16, 2020 14:02:43 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? It was slightly before my time, so I can't really fully comment on his in-game coaching, but the argument you always hear is that Switzer won with Jimmy Johnson's team, so it seems he gets full credit for putting the right players together. Even still, he built a hell of a team and then accomplished nothing the rest of his NFL career. If he was an NFL lifer I could see that being enough to get him in. But an 80-64 record overall? He didn't have lasting success, which should be a criterion for the HOF.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 16, 2020 14:04:34 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? It was slightly before my time, so I can't really fully comment on his in-game coaching, but the argument you always hear is that Switzer won with Jimmy Johnson's team, so it seems he gets full credit for putting the right players together. Yes, he was the de facto GM there and he assembled that team. But how skillful was it to draft Aikman first overall? Even if he didn’t draft Aikman, 3 others drafted in the top 5 that year ended up in the hall of fame. You could have successfully managed that draft. And how skillful was it that the Vikings were idiots in making the Herschel Walker trade the way they did? Yeah, he fleeced them, great. And yes he won 2 Super Bowls, but Switzer won one too. It wasn’t like Bill Walsh giving way to George Seifert, who was great on his own. It was Barry Switzer. I’m not trying to knock his accomplishments but is he really HOF worthy? |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 16, 2020 14:05:53 GMT
Jon Gruden is clearly a great coach because he won with the Bucs while that loser Dungy couldn't. Dungy doesn't get enough credit. He built a legendary defense in Tampa and then had an all time great offense in Indy. Style of play didn't seem to matter, his teams won games.
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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 16, 2020 14:10:06 GMT
It was slightly before my time, so I can't really fully comment on his in-game coaching, but the argument you always hear is that Switzer won with Jimmy Johnson's team, so it seems he gets full credit for putting the right players together. Yes, he was the de facto GM there and he assembled that team. But how skillful was it to draft Aikman first overall? Even if he didn’t draft Aikman, 3 others drafted in the top 5 that year ended up in the hall of fame. You could have successfully managed that draft. And how skillful was it that the Vikings were idiots in making the Herschel Walker trade the way they did? Yeah, he fleeced them, great. And yes he won 2 Super Bowls, but Switzer won one too. It wasn’t like Bill Walsh giving way to George Seifert, who was great on his own. It was Barry Switzer. I’m not trying to knock his accomplishments but is he really HOF worthy? For the record, I'm just stating the argument as I understand it from others, not making the argument personally. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 16, 2020 14:14:18 GMT
Jon Gruden is clearly a great coach because he won with the Bucs while that loser Dungy couldn't. Dungy doesn't get enough credit. He built a legendary defense in Tampa and then had an all time great offense in Indy. Style of play didn't seem to matter, his teams won games. Gruden is a fucking fraud. He used Tony Dungy’s team to beat his former team, a team that was too stupid to change their signals and had one of their starting OL flake out before the game. |
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Post by OrsonSwelles on Jan 16, 2020 15:28:13 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? I guess Switzer should be in the HOF also. He has a better regular season winning %, better playoff winning %, 3 10+ win seasons out of 4, 3 division wins and a better Super Bowl winning ratio of 1 in 4 seasons.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 16, 2020 16:42:41 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? Because Jimmy Johnson built the team Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with. I think that's what the HOF voters are giving Johnson credit for.
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 16, 2020 16:46:16 GMT
If Jimmy Johnson was so great then how come they won with a dope like Barry Switzer coaching them after Jones fired him? Because Jimmy Johnson built the team Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with. I think that's what the HOF voters are giving Johnson credit for. If that’s the case then what’s hall worthy about that? By your own admission in a previous post you said he didn’t accomplish anything with the Dolphins, so he has a 50% track record for team building? Again, I’m not taking any credit away from him, it just doesn’t seem on it’s own enough to get in. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 16, 2020 16:53:04 GMT
Because Jimmy Johnson built the team Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with. I think that's what the HOF voters are giving Johnson credit for. If that’s the case then what’s hall worthy about that? By your own admission in a previous post you said he didn’t accomplish anything with the Dolphins, so he has a 50% track record for team building? I'm just explaining why I think the HOF voters voted him in. And it wasn't just that Johnson has a 50% track record for team building. Johnson built a 1-15 team into probably the most dominant dynasty in NFL history. From 1992 to 1995, the Cowboys went 10-1 in postseason with all 10 wins, including the 3 Super Bowl wins, by double-digit margins. So the Cowboys didn't just merely win by a possession, the Cowboys dominated in those games. Think about that. The Cowboys didn't have those 10 double-digit wins against mediocre or bad teams. The Cowboys had those 10 double-digit wins in the postseason against the top teams in the NFL each year. The Cowboys dominated the top teams in the NFL in the postseason for several years. That kind of domination hasn't been seen in the NFL before or since.
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