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Post by darkpast on Jan 17, 2020 7:12:46 GMT
What ever happened to him ?
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 17, 2020 9:50:27 GMT
under the current Disney canon Jar Jar returned to Naboo in infamy and survived as street comedian and beggar despised by the grown ups and mocked by the children. Further: He is rumored to return (with a beard and traumatized) in the Obi Wan series.
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jan 17, 2020 14:10:58 GMT
I was recently wondering that given the prequels were almost entirely green screened (please no one leap in with that TPM practical effects stat) couldn't they / why don't they make special editions of the prequels?
They must still have the originally shot footage of Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, etc. Couldn't they completely wipe them out, all of them - Jar Jar and the Gungans, the racist trade federation dudes, the insect guys, etc and replace them with better rendered creations and change their voices? Then apply some deep fake to remove Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen's faces and replace their voices too and bingo, maybe we'd have something there.
Special Editions that people would actually love 😀
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Post by Oh My Aching Ackbar-Raddus! on Jan 17, 2020 15:29:09 GMT
I was informed by the honorable Captain Tarpals that Jar Jar was sold into slavery to the Hutts. On a planet not named Tattoine. He wouldn’t say by whom. Or where to. But in his words “Yousa never gonna finds that Gungan fool!”
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 17, 2020 21:13:02 GMT
I was recently wondering that given the prequels were almost entirely green screened (please no one leap in with that TPM practical effects stat) couldn't they / why don't they make special editions of the prequels? They must still have the originally shot footage of Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, etc. Couldn't they completely wipe them out, all of them - Jar Jar and the Gungans, the racist trade federation dudes, the insect guys, etc and replace them with better rendered creations and change their voices? Then apply some deep fake to remove Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen's faces and replace their voices too and bingo, maybe we'd have something there. Special Editions that people would actually love 😀 They seemed to be pretty accurate depictions of Neimoidian males.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 17, 2020 21:21:38 GMT
under the current Disney canon Jar Jar returned to Naboo in infamy and survived as street comedian and beggar despised by the grown ups and mocked by the children. Further: He is rumored to return (with a beard and traumatized) in the Obi Wan series.That actually sounds interesting. Although, so did the Stormtrooper deserter turned Rebel fighter... Ewan did a great job as Obi-Wan, but under Disney leadership, the chances of them messing it all up is very high. Also that the project is completely unnecessary as Obi-Wan was staying low between Episodes 3 and 4. As Jan said, what are they going to do with Obi-Wan, really? Wandering the desert? Sewing new brown cloaks? Braiding his hair? There's not much else for him to do. I guess he could be learning to communicate with Qui-Gon Jinn and staying in contact with Yoda. I'm not sure there's enough content there though.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 17, 2020 22:36:45 GMT
I was recently wondering that given the prequels were almost entirely green screened (please no one leap in with that TPM practical effects stat) couldn't they / why don't they make special editions of the prequels? They must still have the originally shot footage of Ewan McGregor, Liam Neeson, etc. Couldn't they completely wipe them out, all of them - Jar Jar and the Gungans, the racist trade federation dudes, the insect guys, etc and replace them with better rendered creations and change their voices? Then apply some deep fake to remove Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen's faces and replace their voices too and bingo, maybe we'd have something there. Special Editions that people would actually love 😀 They seemed to be pretty accurate depictions of Neimoidian males. careful with your skepticism; the prequels haters spin (based on Plinkett) goes like this: Nuke Gunray sounded somehow "Asian" to them ( ignorant of the fact that "Asia" is not a country or culture, but the largest continent with approx 5B people and countless accents and languages). Thus, the trade federation is racist of Asians. What is clumsily and stupidly ignored: - even IF the Viceroy sounded "Asian", all his Neimoidian lackeys had different non-Asian accents... - the accents were developed as genuin alien accents by the production team - the trade federation does not reflect Asian values or culture, quite the contrary: it rather is modelled after European historic institutions like the East India Trade Company or the "Hanseatic League" (ie a middle age association of traders who hired mercenary armies and waged wars against states for trade privileges, eg against Denmark). - if this is racist, what about Nien Nunb who spoke modern Kenyan dialect in Jedi and looked pretty, well…., or th3 Jawas or Jabba etc - how is that not racist and the PT aliens are? But to realize that one would need a ounce of analytical thinking, common sense skepticism and maybe a little bit of education.
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Post by Prime etc. on Jan 17, 2020 22:38:19 GMT
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2020 3:12:49 GMT
careful with your skepticism; the prequels haters spin (based on Plinkett) goes like this: Nuke Gunray sounded somehow "Asian" to them ( ignorant of the fact that "Asia" is not a country or culture, but the largest continent with approx 5B people and countless accents and languages). Thus, the trade federation is racist of Asians. What is clumsily and stupidly ignored: - even IF the Viceroy sounded "Asian", all his Neimoidian lackeys had different non-Asian accents... - the accents were developed as genuin alien accents by the production team - the trade federation does not reflect Asian values or culture, quite the contrary: it rather is modelled after European historic institutions like the East India Trade Company or the "Hanseatic League" (ie a middle age association of traders who hired mercenary armies and waged wars against states for trade privileges, eg against Denmark). - if this is racist, what about Nien Nunb who spoke modern Kenyan dialect in Jedi and looked pretty, well…., or th3 Jawas or Jabba etc - how is that not racist and the PT aliens are? But to realize that one would need a ounce of analytical thinking, common sense skepticism and maybe a little bit of education. Oh, I'm not skeptical at all. I found the Trade Federation characters to be accurate portrayals of Neimoidian males. Also, Episode 1 isn't saying all Neimoidians are bad - just those particular characters. You're right about them having different accents too.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2020 5:39:17 GMT
Jar Jar Binks was secretly killed early in the battle of Naboo, and was replaced by his much calmer brother, Jake Binks for the rest of the series. Proven here: Jar Jar dead in EP 1
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jan 18, 2020 9:43:33 GMT
What is clumsily and stupidly ignored: - even IF the Viceroy sounded "Asian", all his Neimoidian lackeys had different non-Asian accents... - the accents were developed as genuin alien accents by the production team He he, love this! This is what people miss about the prequels - the sheer level of genius which was behind it. Not only did they get an English dude to badly impersonate the accent so people years late could become increasingly outraged, they also placed non "asian" accents in there to provide a mirror of our real world range of accents so we could challenge whether our perceptions of racism were valid. All whilst creating just one of many genuine alien accents within the films. Incredible production!
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Post by senan90 on Jan 18, 2020 13:15:34 GMT
What is clumsily and stupidly ignored: - even IF the Viceroy sounded "Asian", all his Neimoidian lackeys had different non-Asian accents... - the accents were developed as genuin alien accents by the production team He he, love this! This is what people miss about the prequels - the sheer level of genius which was behind it. Hahaha.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 18, 2020 19:02:44 GMT
Ewan did a great job as Obi-Wan, but under Disney leadership, the chances of them messing it all up is very high. Also that the project is completely unnecessary as Obi-Wan was staying low between Episodes 3 and 4. As Jan said, what are they going to do with Obi-Wan, really? Wandering the desert? Sewing new brown cloaks? Braiding his hair? There's not much else for him to do. I guess he could be learning to communicate with Qui-Gon Jinn and staying in contact with Yoda. I'm not sure there's enough content there though. The only thing I could think of that would make sense would be to do a series similar to the idea of the Last of the Jedi book series, which actually focused on a different character, but Obi-Wan was a part of it. He left Tatooine once or twice and was part of the adventure, but for the most part he was behind the scenes coordinating while he was on Tatooine watching over Luke.... I doubt they'll do that though. They'll have Obi-Wan all over the place retconning the whole story.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2020 20:36:49 GMT
He he, love this! This is what people miss about the prequels - the sheer level of genius which was behind it. Not only did they get an English dude to badly impersonate the accent so people years late could become increasingly outraged, they also placed non "asian" accents in there to provide a mirror of our real world range of accents so we could challenge whether our perceptions of racism were valid. All whilst creating just one of many genuine alien accents within the films. Incredible production! George R.R. Martin once spoke on the accusation of racism in regards to the casting in Game of Thrones. He said, "When you shoot in Morocco, Moroccans show up." Meaning, they just cast whoever showed up to be extras for the show in the country they were shooting in at the time. The same can be said of Star Wars. George Lucas shot most of his 6 movies in Britain, so they got British people to do the roles. I highly doubt he went in doing the movie to trigger fragile people.
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2020 20:41:54 GMT
The only thing I could think of that would make sense would be to do a series similar to the idea of the Last of the Jedi book series, which actually focused on a different character, but Obi-Wan was a part of it. He left Tatooine once or twice and was part of the adventure, but for the most part he was behind the scenes coordinating while he was on Tatooine watching over Luke.... I doubt they'll do that though. They'll have Obi-Wan all over the place retconning the whole story.Unfortunately, I think you're right. They can't just stick to using Lucas' movies as a foundation and build off of it. They have to retcon to make their stuff "work".
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jan 18, 2020 20:54:03 GMT
The only thing I could think of that would make sense would be to do a series similar to the idea of the Last of the Jedi book series, which actually focused on a different character, but Obi-Wan was a part of it. He left Tatooine once or twice and was part of the adventure, but for the most part he was behind the scenes coordinating while he was on Tatooine watching over Luke.... I doubt they'll do that though. They'll have Obi-Wan all over the place retconning the whole story.Unfortunately, I think you're right. They can't just stick to using Lucas' movies as a foundation and build off of it. They have to retcon to make their stuff "work". Well, lots of fans will drink that piss up, so you can't blame them. Just like fans drank the piss of Maul coming back because he "looks so COOL!!!!"
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2020 21:09:01 GMT
Well, lots of fans will drink that piss up, so you can't blame them. Just like fans drank the piss of Maul coming back because he "looks so COOL!!!!" True!
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