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Post by weststigersbob on Jan 19, 2020 0:31:30 GMT
I’m in the same boat as Father and Hosko.
I will add two more though.
1. If I found out my favourite team - Wests Tigers - were in fact cheating, my initial reaction would be complete acceptance. They suck at everything else, why wouldn’t the least successful team of the last decade also suck at cheating so as we still can’t be successful....
2. I’m still of the opinion that stealing/taping “signals” is in no way cheating. If a sport relies so heavily on coaches on the sideline making calls and relaying them to the players on the field (like football) or have such obvious hand gestures from a catcher that can be intercepted (like baseball) - when does it stop being sport and more a game of strategy like chess ? One of the best things about cricket is that when a ball is bowled, the only person who knows what’s coming is the bowler. He never signals to the team what’s coming. And the team trusts the bowler to bowl the right ball. Why doesn’t this happen in baseball. For fuck sake - they have a batting coach on first base telling the runner what to do. Seriously ? Are they that stupid they can’t decide for themselves ?
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Post by SportsFan19 on Jan 19, 2020 1:03:39 GMT
How would you feel? Angry? Sad? Embarrassed? Proud? Other? Quite honestly I'd be a little proud - my main goal is to be entertained - and winning entertains me. Gotta be craftier than the next guy and always thinking one step ahead - that's a life lesson folks - you're welcome  You didn't say anything about winning, you said if they got caught cheating. So what if your Phillies got caught cheating during a 90 loss season?
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Post by oftrollorigins on Jan 19, 2020 1:16:55 GMT
Patriots fans don’t seem to care either way.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 19, 2020 8:24:18 GMT
How would you feel? Angry? Sad? Embarrassed? Proud? Other? Quite honestly I'd be a little proud - my main goal is to be entertained - and winning entertains me. Gotta be craftier than the next guy and always thinking one step ahead - that's a life lesson folks - you're welcome You didn't say anything about winning, you said if they got caught cheating. So what if your Phillies got caught cheating during a 90 loss season? I'd be happy/proud even though they're abysmal on the field - they still have the desire to at least attempt to win - at whatever costs - instead of just cashing it in.
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Post by deviates on Jan 19, 2020 9:20:14 GMT
Currently in this boat with the rugby team I follow. The exact circumstances mean it's mixture of acceptance, anger at those that run the club and sympathy for playing and coaching staff as they had nothing to do with the cheating. I also feel a bit of anger towards the other teams who decided the punishment, and ensured it was as draconian as possible.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 19, 2020 13:24:04 GMT
Currently in this boat with the rugby team I follow. The exact circumstances mean it's mixture of acceptance, anger at those that run the club and sympathy for playing and coaching staff as they had nothing to do with the cheating. I also feel a bit of anger towards the other teams who decided the punishment, and ensured it was as draconian as possible. Interesting. Interesting indeed. So did you feel the other teams should have been more lenient in terms of their punishment?
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Post by damngumby on Jan 19, 2020 15:45:48 GMT
Patriots fans don’t seem to care either way. When the deflategate story first emerged, I was pretty ticked. It seemed like an incredibly stupid thing to do after all the hysteria over the incorrect placement of a cameraman for one game a few years earlier. The Patriots footballs were "2 psi below normal", according to ESPN. Well, that's it, I thought. The fucking idiots fucked themselves for no fucking reason. ... fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Then the details started to emerge. The ESPN story was false. The NFL officials had no idea that temperature affected pressure. No one bothered to write down the starting pressures. The investigation inexplicably ignored the recollection of the official who handled the footballs. Every single scientist who looked at the report thought it was a crock of shit. The NFL had ulterior motives to guide the investigation to a conclusion that reenforced it's authority over the players. So, my anger at the Patriots subsided. Deflategate was clearly a manufactured incident, born out of ignorance and exploited by the men in charge to maintain their power. Spygate was another case where all the really bad things turned out to be false, so it's hard to get worked up over that either. But if the Patriots ever really did cheat - yeah, I'd be angry.
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Post by deviates on Jan 19, 2020 22:47:43 GMT
Currently in this boat with the rugby team I follow. The exact circumstances mean it's mixture of acceptance, anger at those that run the club and sympathy for playing and coaching staff as they had nothing to do with the cheating. I also feel a bit of anger towards the other teams who decided the punishment, and ensured it was as draconian as possible. Interesting. Interesting indeed. So did you feel the other teams should have been more lenient in terms of their punishment? Not neccessarily, just been upfront from the beginning rather than setting an impossible situation to escape from. It wasn't fair on the fans. But then neither was the way the board of my team behaved. My biggest issue with the way the punishment was dished out is that it comes from those with a vested interest. When teams get to avoid relegation AND get a pay day, of course they're going to go for it. Such punishments need to be handed out by an independent and objective body. |
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Post by mecano04 on Jan 20, 2020 0:25:09 GMT
I would be surprised because it would show that they are actually trying to do something.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 20, 2020 8:00:50 GMT
I would be surprised because it would show that they are actually trying to do something. And that's commendable in a sense, no? Shows a fighting spirit and an attitude you're not just going to roll over and die. They're not talented enough to be successful - so they're attempting to do anything possible to win.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 13:01:25 GMT
Well, my Red Sox are right in the middle of this crap, so I'm qualified to give an answer. I'm pissed, personally. Listen, I know that the 2004 Red Sox had juicers, but so did every team they played in that postseason. I'm not naive, but I'm not dumb enough to think the Sox were the only team with juicers on it. This is a whole different ballgame. I HATE Alex Cora for what he did to my favorite team's reputation. I hope to never see that scumbag in baseball ever again. Good luck to him if he ever visits Fenway if he returns to the game. You guys forgave Buckner, no? Or is this a whole new level of hate up there because Bill made a human error and this guy tarnished the logo? Let's say 8 years from now you have your teams 10th Anniversary WS Celebration at Fenway - is he invited? The press hated Buckner. The fans gave him a standing ovation when he returned to the Sox in 1990.
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Post by HumanFundRecipient on Jan 20, 2020 13:15:00 GMT
Well, since the Bengals had Vontaze Burfict, the dirtiest player of his generation for 5-6 seasons, same difference, I say.
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Post by screamingtreefrogs on Jan 20, 2020 13:26:41 GMT
You guys forgave Buckner, no? Or is this a whole new level of hate up there because Bill made a human error and this guy tarnished the logo? Let's say 8 years from now you have your teams 10th Anniversary WS Celebration at Fenway - is he invited? The press hated Buckner. The fans gave him a standing ovation when he returned to the Sox in 1990. That's interesting. I remember Mitch Williams getting death threats for the Joe Carter home run after the '93 WS - but we forgave him too. I don't recall the press being harsh with him (maybe I just can't remember but I can't see that happening) years leater. What was their issue with him? Did they continue to tar and feather him after a simple unfortunate human error at an inconvenient time - even after years of healing?
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 20, 2020 13:31:48 GMT
The press hated Buckner. The fans gave him a standing ovation when he returned to the Sox in 1990. That's interesting. I remember Mitch Williams getting death threats for the Joe Carter home run after the '93 WS - but we forgave him too. I don't recall the press being harsh with him (maybe I just can't remember but I can't see that happening) years leater. What was their issue with him? Did they continue to tar and feather him after a simple unfortunate human error at an inconvenient time - even after years of healing? He embodied 'the curse.' The press (local and national) focused on that play, they replayed it over and over again as Buckner became the face of the Sox 86 year run of futility. I guess 'hated' was the wrong word; It wasn't personal, they just needed an angle to sell the drama and boy did they have a great one. But the constant focus on that play made it seem like everyone blamed Buckner alone, which just isn't true. I'm sure he got death threats, there are cranks in every fanbase. That doesn't mean the fanbase as a whole turned on him.
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Post by mecano04 on Jan 20, 2020 13:37:29 GMT
I would be surprised because it would show that they are actually trying to do something. And that's commendable in a sense, no? Shows a fighting spirit and an attitude you're not just going to roll over and die. They're not talented enough to be successful - so they're attempting to do anything possible to win. That would be commendable but the question refers to an hypothetical scenario.
Because if the Canadiens are cheating right now, it sure hasn't produced the desired outcome.
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