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Post by Carl LaFong on Jan 19, 2020 13:58:48 GMT
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Post by weststigersbob on Jan 20, 2020 0:39:12 GMT
Good article - but chopping and changing a manager again probably isn’t going to do much to help Man Utd, because it isn’t tactically where they are going wrong. They have a very poorly assembled squad that looks more like grabbing whatever players they can rather than recruitment to a plan, let alone actual match tactics.
The other thing that this article doesn’t really touch on is this - Jürgen Klopp was hired as Liverpool manager BEFORE Jose Mourinho was at Man Utd. He has been given time to build and develop his squad, and the results over the last 12 months are showing. I highly doubt that Potch will get any better results than OGS - so give the bloke a bit more time to mould the side and see where that takes them. It’s not as though ManUtd are getting relegated (they are currently 5th).....
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Post by MrFurious on Jan 20, 2020 18:18:41 GMT
Ole is fine, leave him alone
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 20, 2020 19:30:10 GMT
Yeah chopping and changing managers/ coaches unnecessarily because "someone else might do better," rarely works.
Let's look at the cautionary tale of St Kilda. Stan Alves coaches the club to their first Grand Final in 31 years. They lose and have a disappointing end to the next season, finishing 6th. So what do they do? Identify deficencies in their list and recruit accordingly? No. Consult with other teams to see if there's anything they could do differently? No. Improve their fitness regime? Of course not. We'll keep everything exactly the same and sack the coach! Who to replace him though? How about Tim Watson? I mean he's never coached before, but he sounds like he knows what he's talking about as a commentator on Channel 7! So of course within two years the Saints have a 1-1-20 record. New coach needed. An experienced head to rebuild our team: Malcolm Blight. 13 games in: fuck this. Rebuilds aren't supposed to take this long! You're fired Malcolm. Now to find another coach. Hmm, for some reason no one wants the job. Wonder why? Look Grant Thomas, I know you're head of our Football Operations: would you like to be coach too?
To Thomas' credit he did a good job and became only the second man to coach the Saints to 3 consecutive finals series, after which he was sacked because three unsuccessful finals campaigns just isn't what St Kilda are about. "Winning" Wooden Spoons is.
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Post by weststigersbob on Jan 21, 2020 3:05:53 GMT
Yeah chopping and changing managers/ coaches unnecessarily because "someone else might do better," rarely works. Let's look at the cautionary tale of St Kilda. Stan Alves coaches the club to their first Grand Final in 31 years. They lose and have a disappointing end to the next season, finishing 6th. So what do they do? Identify deficencies in their list and recruit accordingly? No. Consult with other teams to see if there's anything they could do differently? No. Improve their fitness regime? Of course not. We'll keep everything exactly the same and sack the coach! Who to replace him though? How about Tim Watson? I mean he's never coached before, but he sounds like he knows what he's talking about as a commentator on Channel 7! So of course within two years the Saints have a 1-1-20 record. New coach needed. An experienced head to rebuild our team: Malcolm Blight. 13 games in: fuck this. Rebuilds aren't supposed to take this long! You're fired Malcolm. Now to find another coach. Hmm, for some reason no one wants the job. Wonder why? Look Grant Thomas, I know you're head of our Football Operations: would you like to be coach too? To Thomas' credit he did a good job and became only the second man to coach the Saints to 3 consecutive finals series, after which he was sacked because three unsuccessful finals campaigns just isn't what St Kilda are about. "Winning" Wooden Spoons is. I’m not going to bore the fine readers of these posts with the sheer idiocy of Wests Tigers’ coaching shenanigans. But I do think we are the only club I can think of that openly said “we don’t want to be known as the club that sacks coaches”, 2 weeks before sacking a coach.
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Post by Zos on Jan 21, 2020 10:54:45 GMT
The problems at United are over his head at boardroom level, Liverpool and City you see a team where the manager is largely in control, United you see a team where the manager is happy to be there and knows his place in the hierarchy.
When they failed to support Jose it was clear what the board want from a manager there, top 4 and maintaining the brand worldwide is what's important titles and trophies not so much or at least they come second to the board being in control.
Worst thing to happen to the club was the players bothering to make an effort for just long enough to get Ole the job, in doing that they cost the club pochettino and although he seems to be waiting will the club want to replace the handy stooge they have in place now.
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Post by WullieFort on Jan 21, 2020 12:15:55 GMT
The problems at United are over his head at boardroom level, Liverpool and City you see a team where the manager is largely in control, United you see a team where the manager is happy to be there and knows his place in the hierarchy. When they failed to support Jose it was clear what the board want from a manager there, top 4 and maintaining the brand worldwide is what's important titles and trophies not so much or at least they come second to the board being in control. Worst thing to happen to the club was the players bothering to make an effort for just long enough to get Ole the job, in doing that they cost the club pochettino and although he seems to be waiting will the club want to replace the handy stooge they have in place now. Although I agree with what you say, it is surely up to the individuals to establish their position before they take the job, although in the case if Van Gaal and Jose, I think that the prestige of having Disunited on their CV would have been too much for them to refuse and OGS would have been seen as a "good boy". Both Bobby Charlton and SAF are executive directors, no doubt a reward for their contributions to the club's legend but I'm surprised that they both seem content with their roles as celebrity directors, especially the latter. I have some doubts about the Poch. In the summer he publicly admitted that he was no more than the team coach and was rarely consulted by Levy about transfer targets. He is one who would definitely have to assert himself, before saying Yes if he was interviewed
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Post by Zos on Jan 21, 2020 15:03:28 GMT
Poch at least has a capable record as a manager and can change things round within a game whereas OGS is obviously very good at the stroking egos man manager stuff but you never get the feeling that he knows what to do on the pitch when things start going wrong apart from a few obvious substitutions.
Poch made the remarks at Spurs after things started going wrong, never once mentioned them before. Whereas Levy is well known as being very canny with the purse strings I never got the idea from any other sources that anyone else but the manager picked the targets. Certainly didn't work like that under Harry.
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Post by Jason143 on Jan 21, 2020 15:48:34 GMT
I agree he isn't the right man. But utd are in 5th position which isn't that bad and theyve beaten 3 of the top 4 this season.
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Post by Zos on Jan 21, 2020 18:01:05 GMT
I agree he isn't the right man. But utd are in 5th position which isn't that bad and theyve beaten 3 of the top 4 this season. With the squad they have they could probably be 5th without any manager. Anything less than top 4 will be an utter disaster this season.
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