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Post by Skaathar on Feb 17, 2020 15:58:33 GMT
Although the MCU is already highly successful, what do you think is its single biggest problem that stops it from being even more successful?
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 17, 2020 16:20:25 GMT
Well with the interconnected nature you do run into the problem of the individual story not logically working as well as the larger assemble pieces. (Why didn't X help out here) So some individuality is lost.
Their technique of using individual movies to introduce characters or ideas into the larger frame work can work against having individual team movies in that we get spoiled with having so much development that when the do something like Guardians the side characters seem forgotten/less important to a degree.
Because it's such a long form storytelling you run into the same problem of episodic tv that has a season or series long arcs. You have to catch everything to feel fully immersed. If something comes out and you haven't seen something you feel pressure to see it even if you might not be necessarily that interested in. Just so you are fully caught up.
That's just off the top of my head...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 18:16:44 GMT
Could it even be any more successful?
To me its biggest problem by far is the way some of the solo movies feel like half assed efforts. Far From Home, Ant Man and Wasp, Captain Marvel were decent blockbuster fare, but without the added boost of being part of the MCU I doubt anyone would be celebrating them as great comic book movies.
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Post by onethreetwo on Feb 17, 2020 18:23:01 GMT
They have an uphill battle with me. I can't muster much excitement for the MCU after Endgame. I'm burned out on the MCU.
That said I'm actually excited for Black Widow. So maybe I'm not as burned out as I think.
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Post by Vassaggo on Feb 17, 2020 18:27:05 GMT
They have an uphill battle with me. I can't muster much excitement for the MCU after Endgame. I'm burned out on the MCU. That said I'm actually excited for Black Widow. So maybe I'm not as burned out as I think. I'm hoping for a little contraction of scope and stakes after Endgame. That's why I excited for the TV Shows. They will smaller in both I think. You can't continually ramp it up or you end up with Soap Opera Fare or The Fast and Furious series.
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Post by politicidal on Feb 17, 2020 18:40:16 GMT
Could it even be any more successful? To me its biggest problem by far is the way some of the solo movies feel like half assed efforts. Far From Home, Ant Man and Wasp, Captain Marvel were decent blockbuster fare, but without the added boost of being part of the MCU I doubt anyone would be celebrating them as great comic book movies. Why stop there? Let's add Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2020 19:01:02 GMT
Could it even be any more successful? To me its biggest problem by far is the way some of the solo movies feel like half assed efforts. Far From Home, Ant Man and Wasp, Captain Marvel were decent blockbuster fare, but without the added boost of being part of the MCU I doubt anyone would be celebrating them as great comic book movies. Why stop there? Let's add Iron Man 2 and Thor: The Dark World. For sure. But I think the trend is becoming more common in the MCU now. The three recent solo movies are amongst the least memorable. The last really good one was Black Panther IMO.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Feb 18, 2020 1:44:26 GMT
Going forward? Complacency.
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2020 2:49:12 GMT
Too many movies feel the same. The standard three act formula with a lot of CGI sprinkled with jokes here and there.
They don't seem willing to make anything like Joker or Logan or The Dark Knight.
Unless it's on Netflix of course.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 18, 2020 3:11:20 GMT
My take: Consistency.
With so many characters overlapping in so many movies usually handled by different directors, consistency of characters almost always gets overlooked.
Sometimes it's power levels or skills, sometimes it's character decisions, sometimes it's their personality and quirks.
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 18, 2020 3:14:06 GMT
Too many movies feel the same. The standard three act formula with a lot of CGI sprinkled with jokes here and there. They don't seem willing to make anything like Joker or Logan or The Dark Knight. Unless it's on Netflix of course. I'm not sure if that's a problem exactly. Because it's that same formula that usually guarantees their success. Breaking that formula might get them something like Joker, but more often than not it will probably result in Suicide Squad. |
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Post by scabab on Feb 18, 2020 5:41:33 GMT
Well Suicide Squad had the same formula as a MCU movie just done in an inferior way.
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Post by darkpast on Feb 18, 2020 8:08:27 GMT
Death is mostly meaningless, how many times has Loki been brought back
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Post by Skaathar on Feb 18, 2020 9:05:04 GMT
Well Suicide Squad had the same formula as a MCU movie just done in an inferior way. I have to disagree. It didn't have the character-driven focus that is central to the MCU formula. |
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Post by hobowar on Feb 18, 2020 9:42:31 GMT
Death is mostly meaningless, how many times has Loki been brought back As opposed to what?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 18, 2020 13:51:52 GMT
I guess the fact that they're too formulaic at times and they won't change from it. Granted its been successful for them, so i can't blame them for doing it.
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Post by Nalkarj on Feb 19, 2020 13:31:28 GMT
Sam Jackson doesn’t get to curse. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 19, 2020 17:37:56 GMT
Their unwillingness to incorporate the TV side into the larger universe. I was shocked they had Jarvis from Agent Carter appear in Endgame. But not bringing in the Defenders or the Agents of SHIELD every now and then, or at least a mention of them, was always disappointing to me. I would be ecstatic to see Vincent D’onofrio appear in a Spider-Man film as Kingpin.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2020 20:34:13 GMT
Too many movies feel the same. The standard three act formula with a lot of CGI sprinkled with jokes here and there. They don't seem willing to make anything like Joker or Logan or The Dark Knight. Unless it's on Netflix of course. Almost every action movie uses the same formula. Everything from the million Bond movies to Schwarzenegger to disaster films to superhero films use the same formula. Joker isn't a comic book movie, it's a psychological thriller using characters from a comic book who do nothing remotely comic bookish the entire film. If I was Marvel, I wouldn't bother with that, either. I like Joker and Logan a lot, but both are knock offs of superior films. They don't even try to hide it. They cast De Niro in Joker as an enormous nod to King of Comedy and Taxi Driver; Logan even inserts an entire scene from Shane into the film. Not too subtle. Ironically, it's only the 'kids' who don't see what's going on with those films. Maybe Marvel would be more willing to gamble if 95% of their catalog was unwatchable shit, like the DCEU or Fox X-Men films. TDK is one of the best CBMs ever made, but again it isn't trying to be a superhero movie. It's a crime drama that tries as hard as it can to escape its comic origins. Nolan had to dig Batman out of the scrap heap after the Schumacher films nearly killed him as a viable BO draw. A more serious take on the character was needed after the spoof-of-a-spoof take audiences had experienced over the last decade plus. Marvel has only made quality films (some more than others, no argument here) and thus haven't had to reinvent themselves or abandon their comic book roots to gain legitimacy. I'm not going to argue with anyone about which films they prefer and why, but the 'Marvel is too formulaic' commentary is an incredibly ill informed perspective.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Feb 19, 2020 20:37:18 GMT
Their unwillingness to incorporate the TV side into the larger universe. I was shocked they had Jarvis from Agent Carter appear in Endgame. But not bringing in the Defenders or the Agents of SHIELD every now and then, or at least a mention of them, was always disappointing to me. I would be ecstatic to see Vincent D’onofrio appear in a Spider-Man film as Kingpin. They don't even have to do anything. Just have them be there. Tell me it wouldn't have been incredible if a portal opened and the Netflix heroes walked out? So what, 2% of the audience wouldn't know who they were? How many casual fans remembered Red Skull when he showed up in IW or knew who Thanos was at the end of Avengers? They were still great moments for hardcore fans, which is the point of Easter Eggs, and these films are filled with them.
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