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Post by dimaggio on Mar 5, 2020 19:15:23 GMT
What's your opinion???
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Mar 5, 2020 19:42:46 GMT
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Post by theravenking on Mar 5, 2020 20:43:42 GMT
I just saw this documentary on TV recently where they had a guy who had written a book about how Hitler escaped from Berlin and survived WW2 and fled to Argentina. They showed some photographs which may have shown Hitler in Argentina, a clean-shaven version of him, but they could also be of some different person, it's hard to tell.
Afterwards I had a discussion with a friend who agreed with this take, saying that Hitler was too clever not to have an escape plan. Personally I don't think he survived. While technically he might have escaped, if you look at the issue from a psychological point of view, I say it's unlikely. Hitler doesn't strike me as the type of person who would've been content living out the rest of his life on some South American hacienda. He was an everything or nothing type of person. It is also widely assumed that at this point in his life Hitler was suffering from some debilitating illness, most likely Parkinson's disease, which would also explain his erratic behaviour.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 5, 2020 20:52:40 GMT
I just saw this documentary on TV recently where they had a guy who had written a book about how Hitler escaped from Berlin and survived WW2 and fled to Argentina. They showed some photographs which may have shown Hitler, a clean-shaven version of him, but they could also be of some different person, it's hard to tell. Afterwards I had a discussion with a friend who agreed with this take, saying that Hitler was too clever not to have an escape plan. Personally I don't think he survived. While technically he might have escaped, if you look at the issue from a psychological point of view, I say it's unlikely. Hitler doesn't strike me as the type of person who would've been happy living out the rest of his life on some South American hacienda. He was an everything or nothing type of person. It is also widely assumed that at this point in his life Hitler was suffering from some debilitating illness, most likely Parkinson's disease, which would also explain his erratic behaviour. Hitler wasn't "clever". He was a narcissistic boob. He made a zillion dopey decisions, allowing the BEF to leave Dunkirk, declaring war on the USA, not letting Paulus break out of Stalingrad, etc etc etc. And Hitler never would have gambled on trying to leave Berlin and getting caught by the Soviets.
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Post by theravenking on Mar 5, 2020 21:03:41 GMT
I just saw this documentary on TV recently where they had a guy who had written a book about how Hitler escaped from Berlin and survived WW2 and fled to Argentina. They showed some photographs which may have shown Hitler, a clean-shaven version of him, but they could also be of some different person, it's hard to tell. Afterwards I had a discussion with a friend who agreed with this take, saying that Hitler was too clever not to have an escape plan. Personally I don't think he survived. While technically he might have escaped, if you look at the issue from a psychological point of view, I say it's unlikely. Hitler doesn't strike me as the type of person who would've been happy living out the rest of his life on some South American hacienda. He was an everything or nothing type of person. It is also widely assumed that at this point in his life Hitler was suffering from some debilitating illness, most likely Parkinson's disease, which would also explain his erratic behaviour. Hitler wasn't "clever". He was a narcissistic boob. He made a zillion dopey decisions, allowing the BEF to leave Dunkirk, declaring war on the USA, not letting Paulus break out of Stalingrad, etc etc etc. And Hitler never would have gambled on trying to leave Berlin and getting caught by the Soviets.
No need to be angry with me. It was my friend who called him clever. Although thinking about it, he was certainly intelligent enough to become head of the Nazi party and lead Germany into WW2, assuming you need intelligence to accomplish these kind of political goals. Those dopey decisions you mentioned might have been brought on by his illness. He was clearly psychotic, but I'm not an expert to be able to tell what exact type of neurologcial disorder he was sufering from.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 5, 2020 21:16:33 GMT
I don`t have an opinion i have the factual answer
He committed suicide in the bunker in Berlin on the 30 of April 1945.
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Post by politicidal on Mar 6, 2020 0:16:44 GMT
No he killed himself. Btw cool reference to Audubon's mysterious Washington's Eagle.
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Post by gadreel on Mar 6, 2020 0:37:57 GMT
I read an interesting article the other day, they basically said given that Hitler was such an ego maniac and that lots of high ranking nazis did escape to south America and there was quite a lot of support for him, then we would have heard something, meaning it is inconceivable that he would not have tried to take over the country.
I don't know how much I ascribe to that, but I tend to err on the side of him killing himself because it seems like far too big a secret to keep.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Mar 6, 2020 5:35:11 GMT
Hitler wasn't "clever". He was a narcissistic boob. He made a zillion dopey decisions, allowing the BEF to leave Dunkirk, declaring war on the USA, not letting Paulus break out of Stalingrad, etc etc etc. And Hitler never would have gambled on trying to leave Berlin and getting caught by the Soviets.
No need to be angry with me. It was my friend who called him clever. Although thinking about it, he was certainly intelligent enough to become head of the Nazi party and lead Germany into WW2, assuming you need intelligence to accomplish these kind of political goals. Those dopey decisions you mentioned might have been brought on by his illness. He was clearly psychotic, but I'm not an expert to be able to tell what exact type of neurologcial disorder he was sufering from. Angry?
Hitler was a clever politician. He took a ramshackle party and used to to conquer Europe from the Pyrenees to Volga. But he was an idiot militarily. Dunkirk, Stalingrad, the decision to declare war on the USA ad infinitum. By April, 1945, he was a train wreck. Dr. Morell had him on a nearly deadly concoction of crackpot drugs. And Hitler never would have risked leaving Berlin and being captured by the Soviets.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 6, 2020 9:43:00 GMT
I think it was possible that he went to Argentina. It could have been done.
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Post by Winter_King on Mar 6, 2020 10:31:15 GMT
Neither. He went to the secret Nazi base in Antartica in a Nazi UFO.
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Post by RiP, IMDb on Mar 6, 2020 10:41:34 GMT
Neither. He went to the secret Nazi base in Antarctica in a Nazi UFO. Then he went to the DARK SIDE of the Moon.
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Post by theravenking on Mar 6, 2020 15:41:51 GMT
No need to be angry with me. It was my friend who called him clever. Although thinking about it, he was certainly intelligent enough to become head of the Nazi party and lead Germany into WW2, assuming you need intelligence to accomplish these kind of political goals. Those dopey decisions you mentioned might have been brought on by his illness. He was clearly psychotic, but I'm not an expert to be able to tell what exact type of neurologcial disorder he was sufering from. Angry?
Hitler was a clever politician. He took a ramshackle party and used to to conquer Europe from the Pyrenees to Volga. But he was an idiot militarily. Dunkirk, Stalingrad, the decision to declare war on the USA ad infinitum. By April, 1945, he was a train wreck. Dr. Morell had him on a nearly deadly concoction of crackpot drugs. And Hitler never would have risked leaving Berlin and being captured by the Soviets.
There may be an explanation for the Dunkirk debacle. It's an open secret that Hitler deeply admired the British. Up until the last moment he was hoping to make peace with Britain and some people believe this to be his reason for sparing the British army. This would show a certain naivety on Hitler's part assuming that this act of generosity would result in Britian negotiating peace with Germany.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 21, 2020 12:52:01 GMT
I think the South America Hitler thing is too many things had to go right for it to be true. For me at least. Yeah, I've read about secret pathways & tunnels from his bunker, the removal of infrastructure along a main avenue to enable a proper flight runway. Those ideas would've required such precision, never mind having to sneak off the continent to come.
Those stories stay alive pardon the pun because the imagination runs wild. Like the US faking the moon landings. Had that been real, the Soviets would've capitalized & won the space race by doing nothing. 9/11, can you imagine the witness accounts had it been at night? Ppl to this day would swear they saw 2 missiles from Russian subs in the Hudson.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Mar 21, 2020 16:06:58 GMT
There was also a theory that Hitler fled to Sweden and lived in a bunker under ground.
And another one that he was a fisherman in Ireland.
Those two are just as wrong as him going to South America it did not happen. he died in 1945
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Post by NewtJorden on Mar 21, 2020 16:12:05 GMT
He killed himself in Berlin. I never understood why so many people want to believe that he survived the war.
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Post by msdemos on Mar 23, 2020 2:17:57 GMT
He killed himself in Berlin. I never understood why so many people want to believe that he survived the war. Because it makes for more interesting conversations, potential books, and/or feature films had he survived. Unfortunately, he was too smart not to realize what would have happened had he tried to escape and been captured by the enemy (just imagine the horrendous scenarios if some of the front-line Russian soldiers had gotten their hands on him first!).......or worse, had he fallen into civilian hands, and met a grisly end similar to that suffered by that other paragon of virtue, Benito Mussolini. No, he offed himself in April of 1945, just as reported.... SAVE FERRIS
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Post by lunda2222 on Mar 23, 2020 5:07:45 GMT
He killed himself in Berlin. I never understood why so many people want to believe that he survived the war. Actually it was Stalin's idea of a joke.
He said to the allies after the war they (the Russians) did not have conclusive proof Hitler was dead, despite having his remains on storage where they remain to this day.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 26, 2020 0:58:39 GMT
Hitler wasn't "clever". He was a narcissistic boob. He made a zillion dopey decisions, allowing the BEF to leave Dunkirk, declaring war on the USA, not letting Paulus break out of Stalingrad, etc etc etc. And Hitler never would have gambled on trying to leave Berlin and getting caught by the Soviets.
No need to be angry with me. It was my friend who called him clever. Although thinking about it, he was certainly intelligent enough to become head of the Nazi party and lead Germany into WW2, assuming you need intelligence to accomplish these kind of political goals. Those dopey decisions you mentioned might have been brought on by his illness. He was clearly psychotic, but I'm not an expert to be able to tell what exact type of neurologcial disorder he was sufering from. I see Hitler as more full of hubris basically, a pompous ego-centric man with no limits toward ambition who was great at rallying to a certain level, until he couldn't at all exert control over his situation anymore.
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Post by hi224 on Mar 26, 2020 1:00:32 GMT
He killed himself in Berlin. I never understood why so many people want to believe that he survived the war. we love to believe in deep seeded reasonings to make ourselves feel better sometimes as well.
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