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Post by moviemouth on Mar 9, 2020 1:52:47 GMT
How often does discussing movies just turn into the other user just liking the smell of their own farts for you?
I find that sometimes that people don't really have any interest in understanding your POV, but rather just want to tell you how right their opinion is and how wrong yours is. Very frustrating.
Luckily their are a handful of respectful people here that actually are interested in trying to look at it from the other person's POV or just accepting that the other person has a different opinion and just moving on. There is no point in going on with a discussion when it just turns into - I'm right, no your wrong. No I'm right, no your wrong.
To be fair, I think we are probably all guilty of doing this once in a while and some people might not even realize that is what they are doing.
Just thought this would be interesting to talk about.
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Mar 9, 2020 2:03:40 GMT
I’ve never quite understand people unable to grasp an opposing opinion. We’re just discussing movies; Some people take it as a personal insult if not liking the latest Nolan movie or saying something positive about The Last Jedi, for example.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 9, 2020 2:06:43 GMT
I’ve never quite understand people unable to grasp an opposing opinion. We’re just discussing movies; Some people take it as a personal insult if not liking the latest Nolan movie or saying something positive about The Last Jedi, for example. I have never understood it either to a certain extent. The death threats against the critics who disliked The Dark Knight Rises for example and the whole Marvel vs. DC thing. There are definitely certain opinions that I am unable to grasp, but I don't need to be able to understand those opinions. I just have to accept that the other person's POV is vastly different than mine and move on. This is not a big deal to me.
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Post by darkreviewer2013 on Mar 9, 2020 5:45:48 GMT
This happens in a lot of areas of life. Everyone sees the world from their own unique perspective and people often find it hard to accept the fact that their own truth/reality is not the same as someone else's.
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Post by Lebowskidoo 🦞 on Mar 9, 2020 14:42:41 GMT
If we were all the same, it would be pretty boring, wouldn't it?  |
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Post by Gary on Mar 13, 2020 21:59:30 GMT
All art criticism is questionable. I always liked to view it with the motivation of the writer, or speaker, in mind. Are they trying to sell or promote the piece, or it's competitors ? What sort of background does the writer have ? What styles do they prefer ? If I could find that out. And of course I compare my view, which is subjectively just as valid. I used to watch Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel (RIP) with not a little amusement. They would regularly get upset with each other. I sure reviewed the subsequent debates with that in mind. It is interesting how upset people get, even those who have no ulterior motive. It's almost like the political debates. People don't like to admit they might be wrong about something, or have their prejudices revealed, even to themselves. I find it unsettling myself. So there are elements of denial there. I thought David Lynch had some good comments about criticism he receives. He likes to stress that the viewer takes away their own interpretation and he doesn't like to debate it. I think that happens regardless for most people, no matter what sort of criticism their ideas receive. One good comment Lynch seemed to make in his movie 'Lost Highway', where the main character Fred Madison is questioned by the police and says 'I like to remember things my own way, not necessarily the way they happened.'. That said I welcome other views and even seek them out. If nothing else I might find something I missed. I refer to Castaneda. you can look and still not see.
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Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Mar 14, 2020 0:48:01 GMT
I try to keep an open mind. But Im always up for a friendly debate.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 14, 2020 1:21:59 GMT
All art criticism is questionable. I always liked to view it with the motivation of the writer, or speaker, in mind. Are they trying to sell or promote the piece, or it's competitors ? What sort of background does the writer have ? What styles do they prefer ? If I could find that out. And of course I compare my view, which is subjectively just as valid. I used to watch Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel (RIP) with not a little amusement. They would regularly get upset with each other. I sure reviewed the subsequent debates with that in mind. It is interesting how upset people get, even those who have no ulterior motive. It's almost like the political debates. People don't like to admit they might be wrong about something, or have their prejudices revealed, even to themselves. I find it unsettling myself. So there are elements of denial there. I thought David Lynch had some good comments about criticism he receives. He likes to stress that the viewer takes away their own interpretation and he doesn't like to debate it. I think that happens regardless for most people, no matter what sort of criticism their ideas receive. One good comment Lynch seemed to make in his movie 'Lost Highway', where the main character Fred Madison is questioned by the police and says 'I like to remember things my own way, not necessarily the way they happened.'. That said I welcome other views and even seek them out. If nothing else I might find something I missed. I refer to Castaneda. you can look and still not see. Very good response. The thing with me is that I'm just not very bothered when people disagree with me about movies. Many people seem to get very upset when people disagree with them. I think it is partly my idiosyncratic nature that I don't mind being in the minority opinion and sometimes even find it amusing that my opinion is upsetting to people.
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Post by petrolino on Mar 14, 2020 1:32:34 GMT
I try to be open-minded. But sometimes, when your instinct tells you to react, it's right to, because some people do try and belittle others while passing their opinions like loose stools.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 14, 2020 1:38:35 GMT
I try to be open-minded. But sometimes, when your instinct tells you to react, it's right to, because some people do try and belittle others while passing their opinions like loose stools.That is exactly what I am talking about. That is different than disagreeing with someone about a movie. That is " I am right and everyone who disagrees with me is a moron." That deserves to be pointed out and addressed. Anyone who gets like this about movie opinions has some issues they need to work out.
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Post by petrolino on Mar 14, 2020 1:40:59 GMT
I try to be open-minded. But sometimes, when your instinct tells you to react, it's right to, because some people do try and belittle others while passing their opinions like loose stools.That is exactly what I am talking about. That is different than disagreeing with someone about a movie. That is " I am right and everyone who disagrees with me is a moron." That deserves to be pointed out and addressed. Anyone who gets like this about movie opinions has some issues they need to work out. I find it can be a tall task calling it out as some people are so dug into that mindset and will defend their position angrily. So I think a lot of people just prefer to slink away under cover and wait for the next conversation to come around.
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Post by vegalyra on Mar 14, 2020 3:02:08 GMT
I keep an open mind, I like reading/hearing other people's responses about film. Sometimes it makes me re-evaulate a film that I had previously dismissed. I do know that as I've gotten older I've been more open minded about things. When I was in my late teens and most of my twenties I had very strong opinions about movies and couldn't be persuaded to think otherwise. Now in my 40s I can view things more easily from a different perspective.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Mar 14, 2020 3:35:25 GMT
I find that sometimes that people don't really have any interest in understanding your POV, but rather just want to tell you how right their opinion is and how wrong yours is. Very frustrating. Forget it Jake, it's the Internets. I wouldn't worry too much about ppl who really don't have nothing better to do than bash. Actually, I wouldn't worry at all whatsoever.
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Post by moviemouth on Mar 14, 2020 3:36:51 GMT
I find that sometimes that people don't really have any interest in understanding your POV, but rather just want to tell you how right their opinion is and how wrong yours is. Very frustrating. Forget it Jake, it's the Internets. I wouldn't worry too much about ppl who really don't have nothing better to do than bash. Actually, I wouldn't worry at all whatsoever. I'm not worried. I just like hearing other people's opinions on the matter.
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Post by mslo79 on Mar 14, 2020 6:42:45 GMT
For me when it comes to rating movies... as long as someone is honest. which basically means they rate movies by how much they personally enjoy them as rating any other way ultimately makes no sense because it's not a true representation of what that person truly feels about the movie. this is what I would disagree with someone the strongest when it comes to movies if they vary from this mindset in their core of judging movies. I tend to have the mindset that judging movies should be inline with ones personal interest/enjoyment of them. if someone disagrees with me here we probably won't agree much because I feel that's at the foundation of judging movies as it's the most accurate/honest way for the viewer to ultimately judge a movie. so the more interesting/entertaining a movie is (which typically comes back to some form of a emotional response for the viewer) the higher the score, the less interesting/entertaining a movie is the lower the score. NOTE: I tend to use 5/10 as 'average' (since it makes the most sense to use a 5/10 as average since it's the half way point of the 1 through 10 rating scale) and then things scale up and down fairly evenly from there etc. or another way I can put average... in short, a movie was okay enough for a viewing but ultimately has no re-watch value is a pretty good general standard I use for my 5/10 average score but since average is ultimately forgettable, in the end it's a Thumbs Down. although I get what's interesting will vary from person to person. vegalyraEven if one can see a movie from a different angle/perspective, it does not automatically mean one is going to like it at the end of the day. we all tend to see things how we see them and we either like the movie or we don't in a very basic sense (as you can't force yourself to like or dislike a movie), even though I realize there can be occasions (not that common though) we are on the fence of whether we like a movie or not. twothousandonemarkExactly. because some people can't be reasoned with and are just constantly talking crap and bashing others for having a difference of opinion on what movies are good and what's not. but I suspect those who do this are mainly in the younger crowds as they tend to be a bit more emotionally controlled and are quick to react based on their emotions (which if they don't like what someone says about a movie they might be quick to dis them as a knee-jerk reaction) and have more trouble seeing it from a different perspective etc. but once a person crosses a certain point... we just got to let it go and move on as they just ain't worth it anymore. darkreviewer2013Yeah, putting movies aside... I think that's pretty much true. but I guess it just depends on how serious the topic is, like how strong someone feels about their position on a random topic, whether they will get a bit more angry or not. some people seem to be quicker to anger etc than others as I suspect if one has a lot of pride in themselves (like can't see that they are not the center of the world and that they are just a average-ish person like the vast majority of us(but it takes a little humility to see this which they probably don't have) they are likely to get more quickly upset I suspect. because as I am sure people are well aware of... religion and politics are typically where things get the most heated since it gets to the more serious things in life and if you get two people who are pretty much polar opposites who feel quite strongly about their position, it can be difficult to keep calm for many because ones emotions can take over a bit (since they might start to think the other person is out of their mind etc) and we might become a bit less rational etc (because once someones emotions take over, many start insulting the other person and the debate pretty much stops (but usually the one flinging the personal insults is on the losing side of the debate)). or... once someone starts reacting negatively with their emotions, it won't help the situation because the other person they are debating/arguing with is more likely to get hostile if they detect a bit of aggression from their opponent. but even knowing this... it can be difficult to remain calm at times as some people can get under-our-skin and in a in-person debate they are more likely to turn a little more aggressive if they see you are getting a bit upset etc. but just in general I would debate better online than I could in person because some people are good at coming up with something quickly on the spot where as others are not and need to think about things a bit more to come up with a decent response etc and as a bonus, since it's just words on a screen it can help mask any potential aggression one may have etc since the other person won't be able to pick up on it (but at the same time... 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Post by moviebuffbrad on Mar 14, 2020 6:49:52 GMT
I stopped reading this thread after 36 seconds.
I gave it a 4/10 at 11:47pm, but at 11:48pm changed my rating to 3/10.
What does everyone else think, can you describe this thread in one word and rate each sentence out of 10?
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Post by James on Mar 14, 2020 10:03:35 GMT
Having a different opinion than anyone else doesn’t make you right or wrong. It’s all about perspective and it’s natural to have different tastes.
Taking this into account, I can try and understand this person’s POV and respect it, but I can’t respect those that hold themselves in higher regard than others, especially in a trollish manner. That’s just selfish and arrogant.
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Post by kingkoopa on Apr 11, 2020 7:16:25 GMT
I look at it like how you get a philly/hot dog/burger...I hate mushrooms on a Philly, mustard on a hot dog, ketchup on a burger...or ketchup on anything. My wife's tastes are much different. Just recently I caught her watching "Downton Abbey" (she barely watches TV/movies, and that show, while well-made all the way around, is just not up my alley). I felt compelled to sit down and watch a bit with her, and I asked afterward what she liked about it. Coincidentally, it was most of the things I disliked about it. Different strokes. At this point, I know what I like, but I like hearing people explain stuff about things they like that I may dislike.
Always up for having my mind changed or my horizons broadened. For example, another one from my wife, was her requesting me to read Jane Austen's "Pride and Prejudice" with her while I was abroad for work. We'd discuss the chapter each night (sounds nerdy, but was so fun). In 1,000,000 years I wouldn't have bet that I enjoyed that book, but I really did. So talking to someone with a different taste turned me on to something I really liked and ended up looking forward to reading/discussing.
At some point when I was a kid, someone had to convince me to eat calamari, though I knew it was a squid and thought it was a weird thing to eat. Now I'm the guy who gets the calamari appetizer for the table (in places that do it right).
I'm fascinated with what people find compelling about what movies they like. I'm indifferent to whether or not I agree or disagree.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Apr 11, 2020 8:16:09 GMT
I stopped reading this thread after 36 seconds. I gave it a 4/10 at 11:47pm, but at 11:48pm changed my rating to 3/10. What does everyone else think, can you describe this thread in one word and rate each sentence out of 10? Haha how did I miss this? This is a perfect summation of this board. (Which I love, but I think it so annoyingly flawed it’s hard to deal with, this board not this thread). |
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Post by YourMomSaysHi on Apr 11, 2020 10:38:24 GMT
My farts smell amazing!
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