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Post by lowtacks86 on Apr 1, 2020 17:16:49 GMT
Arnold Schwarzenneger (villain in terminator, protagonist in sequel)
Mark Hamil (Luke Skywalker and Joker)
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Post by bravomailer on Apr 1, 2020 17:24:15 GMT
The Duke managed both in The Searchers.
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Post by drystyx on Apr 1, 2020 17:41:41 GMT
Peter Cushing in horror.
Dr. Frankenstein, bad.
Van Helsing, vampire hunter, good.
Also, bad guy kind of iconic in Star Wars.
Notably, also, Henry Fonda, but someone below named his lesser known villain, one that no one outside IMDB knows the name of.
Hero: Juror #8
Villain: Col. Thursday (pseudo for Custer) in Fort Apache.
Jack Nicholson may be under consideration in multiple roles. I'm not sure the characters he played are considered iconic, since very few are household "names".
Same for Bogie, Cagney, E.G., Kirk, and most others, so I'm figuring you want "iconic names" that are "household names", or else the list would be gigantic.
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Post by marth on Apr 1, 2020 18:39:42 GMT
Gary OldmanLeon: The Professional - Norman Stansfield  The Dark Knight Trilogy - Jim Gordon 
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Apr 1, 2020 18:43:05 GMT
Ian McKellan played Gandalf and Magneto.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 1, 2020 18:48:57 GMT
Michael Keaton - Beetlejuice and Batman
Christian Bale - Patrick Bateman and Batman
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Apr 1, 2020 18:51:02 GMT
Bogie, a few times:
Bad Guy: Duke Mantee
Fred C. Dobbs
Captain Queeg
Admittedly, the last two are sort of tragic bad guys.
Hero: Rick Blaine
Sam Spade
Philip Marlowe
Charlie Allnut
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 1, 2020 20:37:06 GMT
Fred C Dobbs don't say nothin' he don't mean.
Christopher Lee
Bad: Dracula, Scaramanga
Good: Sherlock Holmes, Mycroft Holmes, The Duke De Richleau,
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 1, 2020 20:41:17 GMT
Some of these roles may not be "iconic", but they are surely well-known:
Marlon Brando - Terry Malone (On the Waterfront); Colonel Kurtz (Apocalypse Now)
Henry Fonda - Juror #8 (12 Angry Men); Frank (Once Upon a Time in the West)
Al Pacino - Michael Corleone (The Godfather trilogy); Frank Serpico (Serpico)
Gene Hackman - "Popeye" Doyle* (The French Connection); Lex Luthor (Superman film series)
* His character is more to be considered as an anti-hero.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 1, 2020 22:27:44 GMT
Peter Cushing in horror. Dr. Frankenstein, bad. Van Helsing, vampire hunter, good. Also, bad guy kind of iconic in Star Wars. Notably, also, Henry Fonda, but someone below named his lesser known villain, one that no one outside IMDB knows the name of. Hero: Juror #8 Villain: Col. Thursday (pseudo for Custer) in Fort Apache. Jack Nicholson may be under consideration in multiple roles. I'm not sure the characters he played are considered iconic, since very few are household "names". Same for Bogie, Cagney, E.G., Kirk, and most others, so I'm figuring you want "iconic names" that are "household names", or else the list would be gigantic. COL Thursday isn't a villain. He's not hero either but he is a complex character. Your homework is to watch that movie again. 
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 1, 2020 22:31:46 GMT
Bogie, a few times:
Bad Guy: Duke Mantee
Fred C. Dobbs
Captain Queeg
Admittedly, the last two are sort of tragic bad guys.
Hero: Rick Blaine
Sam Spade
Philip Marlowe
Charlie Allnut Captain Queeg's not a bad guy. Your homework is to watch that movie again.
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Post by drystyx on Apr 1, 2020 23:01:58 GMT
Peter Cushing in horror. Dr. Frankenstein, bad. Van Helsing, vampire hunter, good. Also, bad guy kind of iconic in Star Wars. Notably, also, Henry Fonda, but someone below named his lesser known villain, one that no one outside IMDB knows the name of. Hero: Juror #8 Villain: Col. Thursday (pseudo for Custer) in Fort Apache. Jack Nicholson may be under consideration in multiple roles. I'm not sure the characters he played are considered iconic, since very few are household "names". Same for Bogie, Cagney, E.G., Kirk, and most others, so I'm figuring you want "iconic names" that are "household names", or else the list would be gigantic. COL Thursday isn't a villain. He's not hero either but he is a complex character. Your homework is to watch that movie again. Duh, that's what makes him such a fantastic villain. He's probably just like Custer was. Being complex isn't necessarily "iconic", I'll grant, but it doesn't hurt. Same for the complex "Queeg" below that you argued against. Queeg is a household name, and an iconic villain. Being complex with credible motivation makes him even more iconic and classic.
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Post by Spike Del Rey on Apr 2, 2020 12:59:33 GMT
Bogie, a few times:
Bad Guy: Duke Mantee
Fred C. Dobbs
Captain Queeg
Admittedly, the last two are sort of tragic bad guys.
Hero: Rick Blaine
Sam Spade
Philip Marlowe
Charlie Allnut Captain Queeg's not a bad guy. Your homework is to watch that movie again.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2020 13:21:47 GMT
Captain Queeg's not a bad guy. Your homework is to watch that movie again. Yup, I agree that Captain Queeg is a villain. He just isn't a villain in the more traditional sense.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2020 14:33:29 GMT
Lawrence Olivier
Van Helsing, Dracula (1979)
Christian Szell, Marathon Man
Tom Cruise
Ethan Hunt, Mission: Impossible franchise
Lestat, Interview with the Vampire
Donald Pleasance
Dr. Loomis, Halloween
Blofeld, You Only Live Twice
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 2, 2020 15:55:59 GMT
Captain Queeg's not a bad guy. Your homework is to watch that movie again. Queeg is an unlikable and flawed character but I think the movie makes it clear at the end that Fred MacMurray is the villain of this story.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 2, 2020 16:32:41 GMT
I agree with you, that's why I have him listed as a tragic one. But the movie deliberately portrays him to be a villain even before the "strawberry incident", albeit a sympathetic one. Queeg is an unlikable and flawed character but I think the movie makes it clear at the end that Fred MacMurray is the villain of this story. Captain Queeg is unlikable and irrational and puts everybody in danger and is one of the main antagonists of the story, therefor he is a villain as far as I'm concerned. Fred MacMurray is worse, but they are both villains imo.
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Post by mattgarth on Apr 2, 2020 17:30:10 GMT
Glenn Ford
Villain -- THE MAN FROM COLORADO / LUST FOR GOLD / 3:10 TO YUMA
Hero -- THE BIG HEAT / BLACKBOARD JUNGLE / JUBAL, etc.
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Post by millar70 on Apr 2, 2020 19:40:50 GMT
I agree with you, that's why I have him listed as a tragic one. But the movie deliberately portrays him to be a villain even before the "strawberry incident", albeit a sympathetic one. Queeg is an unlikable and flawed character but I think the movie makes it clear at the end that Fred MacMurray is the villain of this story. Macmurray's character was a real dick for sure, but no way can you say Queeg wasn't a bad guy. Maybe in his mind and heart, he thought he was doing the right thing, but his actions were one of a pretty bad dude. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Apr 2, 2020 20:35:14 GMT
Queeg is an unlikable and flawed character but I think the movie makes it clear at the end that Fred MacMurray is the villain of this story. Macmurray's character was a real dick for sure, but no way can you say Queeg wasn't a bad guy. Maybe in his mind and heart, he thought he was doing the right thing, but his actions were one of a pretty bad dude. Queeg was miserable a**hole to be sure but his worst actions were those of a man that was headed for a mental breakdown and was being "gaslighted" by MacMurray.
MacMurray played the other officers like puppets. Queeg may have been paranoid but that doesn't mean no one was out to get him. MacMurray orchestrated the whole thing. Queeg even asked for help at one point and his officers turned their backs on him.
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