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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 3, 2020 1:22:21 GMT
I don't know what the "right" fashion is. Also, wasn't the whole point of the sequel trilogy that your blood doesn't define your destiny? Certainly that was the point of her finding out Palps is her granddaddy. So, by having her turn, aren't you completely shitting on the message of the ST you claim to love so much? Isn't that already addressed in the OT? Luke is the son of Darth Vader and resists the temptation. Obviously being related doesn't turn Luke to the dark side. But the reverse happens where being related to Luke turned Vader to the light side. This set a precedent that being related to strong and good people meant you are strong and good, even if you spent two movies turning down every opportunity to prove it (see Kylo Ren and the outrage from fans that he doesn't redeem himself in the Colin Trevorrow version of episode 9). Right now, Rey resisting her Sidious roots is the only thing keeping the Star Wars franchise from being Nazi eugenics propaganda.
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Post by moviemouth on Apr 3, 2020 1:32:36 GMT
Isn't that already addressed in the OT? Luke is the son of Darth Vader and resists the temptation. Obviously being related doesn't turn Luke to the dark side. But the reverse happens where being related to Luke turned Vader to the light side. This set a precedent that being related to strong and good people meant you are strong and good, even if you spent two movies turning down every opportunity to prove it (see Kylo Ren and the outrage from fans that he doesn't redeem himself in the Colin Trevorrow version of episode 9). Right now, Rey resisting her Sidious roots is the only thing keeping the Star Wars franchise from being Nazi eugenics propaganda. I suppose that is a fair assessment, but it seems more to just say that everyone struggles with both. The silliest thing to me is that good finally wins Vader over in the end, but after committing genocide and a bunch of other atrocities.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 3, 2020 18:04:35 GMT
I disagree, because at this point they need a trilogy that will make money. Because at this point they still basically broke even. I mean, your idea is interesting though. NOt profitable imo.
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Post by shannondegroot on Apr 3, 2020 18:47:09 GMT
Episode 9 should have ended with Rey turning darkside if episodes 10, 11 and 12 were going to have that plot. Her kids would save her or something.
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Post by shannondegroot on Apr 3, 2020 19:02:53 GMT
There really should have been another trilogy to keep with George's already genius order of the titles of the films going Sith/Jedi etc..
The Phantom Menace = Sith Attack of the Clones = Jedi Revenge of the Sith = Sith A New Hope = Jedi Empire Strikes Back = Sith Return of the Jedi = Jedi
Which is ruined with the sequel trilogy
The Force Awakens = Jedi The Last Jedi = Jedi Rise of the Skywalker = Jedi
What should have happened is ..
The Darkside Awakens = Sith The Last Skywalker = Jedi Rise of Darth Rey = Sith
And then your final final trilogy ..
A Need for Heroes = Jedi The Power of Rey = Sith Restoration of the Galaxy = Jedi
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Post by dazz on Apr 3, 2020 19:47:38 GMT
I disagree, because at this point they need a trilogy that will make money. Because at this point they still basically broke even. I mean, your idea is interesting though. NOt profitable imo. That's not the exact truth, yes the Rey Saga as it were was a diminishing, and significantly so series, I mean they lost almost half the audience they started with, and TROS being a financial hit via box office alone is unlikely when you factor in the cast's bonuses they get once the films reach $1b, that being said they still have a HUGE audience most franchises would kill for, so it's like maybe a dark Rey trilogy could work with a hugely reduced budget and marketing push, but then that could also hugely hit their box office, so maybe just scale back on production, you know $130-150m instead of $250-300m then $1b would be hugely profitable.
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Post by wolf359 on Apr 3, 2020 19:55:48 GMT
I disagree, because at this point they need a trilogy that will make money. Because at this point they still basically broke even. I mean, your idea is interesting though. NOt profitable imo.
"Because at this point they still basically broke even." ----------------------------------------------------------------
Not True!
DISNEY bought "STAR WARS" for 4 Billion Dollars and since then.....Episodes 7, 8, and 9 all together made exactly $4.475 Billion Dollars worldwide and that was just those 3 Movies.
Then we come to the others....
How much money did "Rogue One" also make worldwide to add to that total ?
How much money did "Solo" also make worldwide to add to that total ?
How much money has "Galaxy's Edge" also been making at Disneyland (before everything stopped because of the virus) to add to that total ?
How much money has "The Mandalorian" TV Series also been making worldwide to add to that total ?
How much money has Merchandise from "The Mandalorian" also been making worldwide to add to that total ?
How much would all of that be all together and then how much would it be after it was added with the $4.475 Billion Dollars that Star Wars already gained just from the Sequel Trilogy ?
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Post by dazz on Apr 3, 2020 20:18:49 GMT
I disagree, because at this point they need a trilogy that will make money. Because at this point they still basically broke even. I mean, your idea is interesting though. NOt profitable imo.
"Because at this point they still basically broke even." ----------------------------------------------------------------
Not True!
DISNEY bought "STAR WARS" for 4 Billion Dollars and since then.....Episodes 7, 8, and 9 all together made exactly $4.475 Billion Dollars worldwide and that was just those 3 Movies.
Then we come to the others....
How much money did "Rogue One" also make worldwide to add to that total ?
How much money did "Solo" also make worldwide to add to that total ?
How much money has "Galaxy's Edge" also been making at Disneyland (before everything stopped because of the virus) to add to that total ?
How much money has "The Mandalorian" TV Series also been making worldwide to add to that total ?
How much money has Merchandise from "The Mandalorian" also been making worldwide to add to that total ?
How much would all of that be all together and then how much would it be after it was added with the $4.475 Billion Dollars that Star Wars already gained just from the Sequel Trilogy ? But then you have to factor in on average they are spending $175m per movie on marketing, $250m on production, they only get about 47.5% I think it was of the overall box office, they spent I think $100m on the Mandalorian and how many hundreds of millions if not billions on making Galaxies Edge, so each film is costing an average of $425m, which over 5 films I think they made just over $5.9b, but at a cost of $2.125b and they only kept about $2.8b out of ticket sales, so box office wise they made less than $700m over the 5 films, they did make their money back though in merch sales, that's the key, even declining numbers had them making over I think $1.5b for 2018, and over $3b in 2016 with 2017 coming in around the middle of those 2, so yeah just merch sales for 2016-18 they made like $7b, though keep in mind Lucas I think gets 10% off the top of anything they make also or something like that...basically it's all a lot more complicated than what you are making it out to be but Disney has recouped the expense of buying SW, they maybe just haven't turned a profit on the cost of making everything else to do with it at this point because none of that includes salaries of people behind the scenes, back end payments, residuals, percentages, bonuses and other such stuff.
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Post by mstreepsucks on Apr 6, 2020 7:44:40 GMT
I disagree, because at this point they need a trilogy that will make money. Because at this point they still basically broke even. I mean, your idea is interesting though. NOt profitable imo. That's not the exact truth, yes the Rey Saga as it were was a diminishing, and significantly so series, I mean they lost almost half the audience they started with, and TROS being a financial hit via box office alone is unlikely when you factor in the cast's bonuses they get once the films reach $1b, that being said they still have a HUGE audience most franchises would kill for, so it's like maybe a dark Rey trilogy could work with a hugely reduced budget and marketing push, but then that could also hugely hit their box office, so maybe just scale back on production, you know $130-150m instead of $250-300m then $1b would be hugely profitable.
I would say, I disagree:
The reason why tFA was successful was because it had to do with things you accociated from the past. That's a big part of why it made money.
The last Jedi was successful because of the same reason. And especially rogue one. Solo did bomb, because it had nothing associated with the past star wars.
So therefore a dark rey trilogy which would have nothing associated with the past star wars , would indeed not be a success.
I would say yes, they still have a huge audience, but that accounts for what?
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Post by dazz on Apr 6, 2020 13:58:52 GMT
That's not the exact truth, yes the Rey Saga as it were was a diminishing, and significantly so series, I mean they lost almost half the audience they started with, and TROS being a financial hit via box office alone is unlikely when you factor in the cast's bonuses they get once the films reach $1b, that being said they still have a HUGE audience most franchises would kill for, so it's like maybe a dark Rey trilogy could work with a hugely reduced budget and marketing push, but then that could also hugely hit their box office, so maybe just scale back on production, you know $130-150m instead of $250-300m then $1b would be hugely profitable.
I would say, I disagree:
The reason why tFA was successful was because it had to do with things you accociated from the past. That's a big part of why it made money.
The last Jedi was successful because of the same reason. And especially rogue one. Solo did bomb, because it had nothing associated with the past star wars.
So therefore a dark rey trilogy which would have nothing associated with the past star wars , would indeed not be a success.
I would say yes, they still have a huge audience, but that accounts for what?
It accounts for a bigger audience, which means higher potential, obviously they would need to actually make good movies, they cannot skate by on nostalgia anymore, but lowered production and marketing cost to the point of maybe a $300m cap puts them in profit at just over $600m box office, rather than the $900m-1b+ break even point these movies have had.
Yes Solo bombed but that's also in part due to just how mishandled that entire endeavour was, redoing the entire movie after other people completed 90% of the production, poor handling of the script and the character, idiotic placement of the movie on the release calendar and so on.
A smaller scale SW film about a Dark Rey could work and be a big hit, but it would have to be a good movie, something the sequel trilogy failed to be, but as we have seen with The Mandalorian if you make a good SW product the fans will swarm to it, key is making it a good product however hence why I said could work and not would work.
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Post by shannondegroot on Apr 7, 2020 19:15:53 GMT
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Post by wolf359 on Apr 7, 2020 22:49:33 GMT
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Post by drystyx on Apr 7, 2020 22:53:17 GMT
No. That would be way too predictable and way too Hollywood, but I can see the hacks getting back in charge and doing it to appease the "haters" and the crackheads and the Beavis and Butthead control freaks who love to push their hatefulness and bullying on others.
Hopefully, no one will do as you suggest, although that would be the typical Hollywood formula.
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Post by basmaticathury on Apr 8, 2020 0:53:36 GMT
It would be a wise idea to toss any new Star Wars ideas into a landfill.
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