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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 3, 2020 13:18:24 GMT
Do you belive that monogamy is a natural part of human nature or do you think its polygamy that is the natural part of human nature?
I believe that polygamy is what is natural.
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Post by Jason143 on Apr 3, 2020 13:36:27 GMT
Monogamy is a recent invention, mainly through religious influence. We are (men) naturally polygamous.
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Post by sadsaak on Apr 3, 2020 14:36:45 GMT
Do you belive that monogamy is a natural part of human nature or do you think its polygamy that is the natural part of human nature? I believe that polygamy is what is natural. For Christ's sake, I am a very happily married man, but one woman churning out the earache is enough, I don't need more.
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Post by hi224 on Apr 3, 2020 14:54:10 GMT
whichever gets me in less of a path to getting an STD.
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Post by Nora on Apr 3, 2020 15:12:54 GMT
Do you belive that monogamy is a natural part of human nature or do you think its polygamy that is the natural part of human nature? I believe that polygamy is what is natural. I think both are in their right "natural" as in "would be a genuine preference / natural inclination of those involved" (and not externally enforced). I for myself, simply cannot imagine wanting to be polygamous, but its related to the fact that I only have sex with those I have romantic feelings for, and I have not experienced having romantic feelings for more people at the same time. This should however not invalidate anybody elses experience, I am sure both is possible, that A) some people are ok having sex without feelings, or even prefer it and B) some poeple are able to love/feel in love with more than one person at the same time. this is why i think both is natural. And what we see in the animal kingdom supports my theory. Some animals are naturally polygamous, some monogamous, even though thats a minority of them, it seems to be their natural preference. now, I would like to know why you select polygamy as what is natural, if you dont mind sharing your train of thought.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 3, 2020 16:14:21 GMT
Whichever has less nagging.
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Post by mslo79 on Apr 3, 2020 20:36:41 GMT
It's obvious for anyone who's Christian... Only Monogamy.
Polygamy is sinful. so naturally it's wrong.
but since humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve, polygamy will appear normal/natural for many who reject the truth even though God opposes it.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Apr 3, 2020 20:42:29 GMT
Some people don`t seem to understand that i am asking about human nature.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 3, 2020 21:01:08 GMT
In nature, motherhood is almost never in doubt but fatherhood is always in doubt. The mother gives birth so there is no doubt she is passing her genes to the offspring but fathers have no such certainty which is why monogamy and punishments for adultery became codified. Polygamy is not uncommon outside western cultures, it's perfectly natural. Compulsory lifetime monogamy is unnatural.
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Post by ProjectError on Apr 3, 2020 21:38:51 GMT
It's obvious for anyone who's Christian... Only Monogamy. Polygamy is sinful. so naturally it's wrong. but since humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve, polygamy will appear normal/natural for many who reject the truth even though God opposes it. That concept is in itself a man-made invention. Nature intended us to be polygamous, but through religious beliefs we may be monogamous. Religious brainwashing is dangerous because it teaches others to do stupid things at the detriment of someone else, like eating animals, for example. When objectively, there's no difference between eating a cat or a cow. Hence why, in every marriage, there're always problems. The first year is great. But after time, the sexual attraction is gone, and now the two are having sex out of obligation. And then when one is on their deathbed, the spouse is sad only because she/he has been with the person for so long, and is unable to cope with the change. Not because they lost their love. They can barely tolerate the person at the point. As a man, I naturally check out sexy women walking, who may have a nice butt or what not. What spouse checks out his spouses butt and chest after 30 years of marriage? It doesn't happen. NO ONE IS SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO THEIR SPOUSE ANYMORE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. True love is when there's uninhibited sexual lust, where you cannot keep your hands off the other person. Old married couples aren't in lust for one another. They talk about bills.
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Post by Nora on Apr 3, 2020 22:44:48 GMT
It's obvious for anyone who's Christian... Only Monogamy. Polygamy is sinful. so naturally it's wrong. but since humanity has a fallen nature after the fall of Adam/Eve, polygamy will appear normal/natural for many who reject the truth even though God opposes it. That concept is in itself a man-made invention. Nature intended us to be polygamous, but through religious beliefs we may be monogamous. Religious brainwashing is dangerous because it teaches others to do stupid things at the detriment of someone else, like eating animals, for example. When objectively, there's no difference between eating a cat or a cow. Hence why, in every marriage, there're always problems. The first year is great. But after time, the sexual attraction is gone, and now the two are having sex out of obligation. And then when one is on their deathbed, the spouse is sad only because she/he has been with the person for so long, and is unable to cope with the change. Not because they lost their love. They can barely tolerate the person at the point. As a man, I naturally check out sexy women walking, who may have a nice butt or what not. What spouse checks out his spouses butt and chest after 30 years of marriage? It doesn't happen. NO ONE IS SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO THEIR SPOUSE ANYMORE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. True love is when there's uninhibited sexual lust, where you cannot keep your hands off the other person. Old married couples aren't in lust for one another. They talk about bills. that may be your experience and I see certain validity in Some of your points but wouldnt generalize as much. there is still attraction in older age as well as after having been with someone for a long time, its possible. that doesnt mean it happens often but its not non existent like u make it seem. and even some animals mate for life. its not a man made thing. its just more rare than polygamy. |
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Post by ProjectError on Apr 4, 2020 6:27:29 GMT
That concept is in itself a man-made invention. Nature intended us to be polygamous, but through religious beliefs we may be monogamous. Religious brainwashing is dangerous because it teaches others to do stupid things at the detriment of someone else, like eating animals, for example. When objectively, there's no difference between eating a cat or a cow. Hence why, in every marriage, there're always problems. The first year is great. But after time, the sexual attraction is gone, and now the two are having sex out of obligation. And then when one is on their deathbed, the spouse is sad only because she/he has been with the person for so long, and is unable to cope with the change. Not because they lost their love. They can barely tolerate the person at the point. As a man, I naturally check out sexy women walking, who may have a nice butt or what not. What spouse checks out his spouses butt and chest after 30 years of marriage? It doesn't happen. NO ONE IS SEXUALLY ATTRACTED TO THEIR SPOUSE ANYMORE AFTER A CERTAIN TIME. True love is when there's uninhibited sexual lust, where you cannot keep your hands off the other person. Old married couples aren't in lust for one another. They talk about bills. that may be your experience and I see certain validity in Some of your points but wouldnt generalize as much. there is still attraction in older age as well as after having been with someone for a long time, its possible. that doesnt mean it happens often but its not non existent like u make it seem. and even some animals mate for life. its not a man made thing. its just more rare than polygamy. Say that the concept of monogamous marriage never existed, and that it was never taught by any religion. Very few humans would come to that decision on their own. Monogamous relationships had to be taught first. Marriage had to be invented first. The Catholic Church is crucial in helping along that tradition. So, you're born into a world, as a blank slate, where marriage never existed, no decipherable couples existed. Would you still come to that conclusion on your own? Probably not. Ever watch a movie, and think a celebrity is sexy? Say, Matthew McConaughey? That's your sex drive telling you it's OK to sleep with Matthew McConaughey. if monogamous relationships were natural, you would not find another man attractive, ever, expect your spouse. The only reason you cannot sleep with Matthew McConaughey is because 1) he's far away, don't have his contact info 2) you're choosing not to/restraining yourself from doing to be faithful to your current monogamous marriage. But nature didn't take into account televisions. So, when you see Matthew McConaughey on the tube, that's nature mistaking your mind into thinking you're seeing him in front of you, and your drive is telling you, and consequently him, to procreate. Only he can't see you. It's like human spaying in action.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 4, 2020 7:29:12 GMT
Say that the concept of monogamous marriage never existed, and that it was never taught by any religion. Very few humans would come to that decision on their own. Monogamous relationships had to be taught first. But that's exactly what happened .. humans were born into a world without religion, without marriage, and we invented it. Monogamy is a mating pair, two animals in an exclusive sexual relationship. Monogamy has benefits for both, the female gets protection and help raising her young and the male gets exclusive mating rights to pass along his genes. Marriage is a social/legal contract for a monogamous or polygamous partnership. Patriarchal polygamy has a lot of benefit to males and females which is why it's not uncommon. The male gets exclusive mating rights with multiple females and there are more bodies to share the work. Matriarchal polygamy has no benefit to males except in unusual situations and that's why it's rare.
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