Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 5:49:28 GMT
I talked to my friend a few hours ago and found out both his parents are in the hospital. They both went to the hospital earlier this week with the symptoms. They were both tested and both tested negative. They kept his mom because she had developed pneumonia. They sent his dad home. His symptoms got worse so he went back after a couple days. They tested him again and now he's positive. They had to induce a coma with his mom.
These people were a major help to me after my parents died when I was a kid. A totally helpless feeling right now.
This was the first time I heard about false negatives with COVID-19 but apparently it's a thing. They say that 20-30% of people may test negative when they actually have the virus. Why haven't we heard more about this?
Stay safe...
|
|
|
|
Post by hi224 on Apr 4, 2020 6:39:18 GMT
I talked to my friend a few hours ago and found out both his parents are in the hospital. They both went to the hospital earlier this week with the symptoms. They were both tested and both tested negative. They kept his mom because she had developed pneumonia. They sent his dad home. His symptoms got worse so he went back after a couple days. They tested him again and now he's positive. They had to induce a coma with his mom. These people were a major help to me after my parents died when I was a kid. A totally helpless feeling right now. This was the first time I heard about false negatives with COVID-19 but apparently it's a thing. They say that 20-30% of people may test negative when they actually have the virus. Why haven't we heard more about this? Stay safe... sooo thats not reassuring shit....
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2020 10:06:51 GMT
sooo thats not reassuring shit.... Sorry, didn't mean to be a bummer. The news just hit me kind of hard.
|
|
|
|
Post by hi224 on Apr 5, 2020 2:50:41 GMT
sooo thats not reassuring shit.... Sorry, didn't mean to be a bummer. The news just hit me kind of hard. no you are fine, just makes me wonder about stuff.
|
|
|
|
Post by petrolino on Apr 5, 2020 2:52:39 GMT
These are difficult times. I wish I could say something, but thanks for the information.
Take care and stay safe.
|
|
bd74
Junior Member
#WalkAway
@bd74
Posts: 1,522
Likes: 659
|
Post by bd74 on Apr 5, 2020 4:00:53 GMT
I read somewhere that the 20-30% figure is just what some people assume the false negative rate to be, but that the figure has not been verified. And if you look it up, there is no source to back up that claim. I doubt it's that high anyway. That's nearly 1/3 of all tests. I doubt the testing system would be THAT faulty.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 7:50:02 GMT
I read somewhere that the 20-30% figure is just what some people assume the false negative rate to be, but that the figure has not been verified. And if you look it up, there is no source to back up that claim. I doubt it's that high anyway. That's nearly 1/3 of all tests. I doubt the testing system would be THAT faulty. That's what I was thinking too. There's no way it can be that high. The problem is it's going to difficult to track if it is true. How would they know if they really had it during the original test or if they contracted it later. It also could be from people not doing the test correctly. From the sounds of it they stick that swab to your brain. Maybe the people who are testing aren't going in deep enough? Since this information is new I wonder if we'll know more about it in the upcoming weeks. Either way it sucks. Especially if people are being told they're negative and possibly letting their guard down a little and going out in public.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2020 10:40:57 GMT
I talked to my friend a few hours ago and found out both his parents are in the hospital. They both went to the hospital earlier this week with the symptoms. They were both tested and both tested negative. They kept his mom because she had developed pneumonia. They sent his dad home. His symptoms got worse so he went back after a couple days. They tested him again and now he's positive. They had to induce a coma with his mom. These people were a major help to me after my parents died when I was a kid. A totally helpless feeling right now. This was the first time I heard about false negatives with COVID-19 but apparently it's a thing. They say that 20-30% of people may test negative when they actually have the virus. Why haven't we heard more about this? Stay safe... It has been happening in my hospital. The fast tests are supposed to be even less effective. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:22:23 GMT
It has been happening in my hospital. The fast tests are supposed to be even less effective. My friends mom died this morning. His father is on a ventilator. It's extremely scary, sad and maddening to think people are being sent home without getting proper treatment because of an inaccurate test.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:23:40 GMT
It has been happening in my hospital. The fast tests are supposed to be even less effective. My friends mom died this morning. His father is on a ventilator. It's extremely scary, sad and maddening to think people are being sent home without getting proper treatment because of an inaccurate test. I'm sorry. I'm terrified for my mom who is 70 and has COPD. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:33:52 GMT
Thank you. They're my second family and went above and beyond for me after my folks died.
I'm hoping your mom stays safe and this doesn't touch your family. All we can do is be cautious and try to stay positive.
|
|
|
|
Post by hi224 on Apr 6, 2020 3:36:06 GMT
Thank you. They're my second family and went above and beyond for me after my folks died. I'm hoping your mom stays safe and this doesn't touch your family. All we can do is be cautious and try to stay positive. I am here as well if you need conversation alrighty?.
|
|
|
|
Post by bravomailer on Apr 6, 2020 3:46:33 GMT
Apparently the test gives 30% false negatives.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:56:04 GMT
Sorry to hear about your friends parents.
The father was sent home you say, but the mother was more serious, but it wasn't covid-19? For whatever her pneumonia stems from, she is not a covid statistic then, but her husband was negative and then positive later. This is getting more and more confounded by the minute with what we are getting told. If that is the case, then all these covid-19 cases reported and deaths attributed to it are inaccurate then and cannot be taken as anything but anecdotal, as the test is not an absolute measure.
Thank you. They both tested negative. 2 days later the father tested positive even though they had the same symptoms since last weekend. Yeah, you're right since she tested negative she won't go down as having it. Unless they tested her post mortem. It's only speculation that she had it even though she was in a house with somebody who does have it. I'm assuming since these tests were rushed they must have a certain percentage of inaccuracy and nobody know what that is. Or they do know but aren't telling us.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 3:58:06 GMT
Thank you. They're my second family and went above and beyond for me after my folks died. I'm hoping your mom stays safe and this doesn't touch your family. All we can do is be cautious and try to stay positive. I am here as well if you need conversation alrighty?. Thank you, I appreciate it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 4:03:45 GMT
Apparently the test gives 30% false negatives. I saw that too. We know it's happening but it's hard for me to believe that it could be that high.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 4:11:17 GMT
I really don't think there can be any definitive answer for this and much is still speculation. Any virus is capricious in nature and can't possibly be controlled to the max. I don't think we're going to know everything until after all of this is over. It's quite possible that they do know the test has a 20-30% inaccurate reading and at this point they think the 70-80% accuracy is worth the risk. It's possible the percentage is a lot lower. Like you said, at this point it's all speculation.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 4:43:50 GMT
It has been happening in my hospital. The fast tests are supposed to be even less effective. It is like they are rushing things through to get some result and not even getting an accurate result. How many are being tested and coming up negative as opposed to positive too? Are we hearing about that. False positives are rare compared to false negatives. With this being a new virus I don't know what kind of viral is needed for detection. That might be part of it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2020 9:21:13 GMT
False positives are rare compared to false negatives. With this being a new virus I don't know what kind of viral is needed for detection. That might be part of it. Well with covid-19, it might be in the best interests to have more positives than negatives, it is just the accuracy level that is distorting things, let alone all the other factors that play an important part into the equation. Everyone is different too. You may be right but there is a a slight downfall. There's basically 4 results you can get from the tests. Positive-really positive Positive-really negative Negative-really negative Negative-really positive Positive-really negative is bad because it can take up resources from people who really are sick and it may put them jeopardy of actually catching it considering they're in a hospital full people who do have the virus. Not to mention the fear and worry some people may have from being positive. On the flip side it sounds like they're not admitting people who are positive unless it's a severe case so that may not come into play very often. Negative-really positive is obviously the worst scenario. They don't get treatment if they actually need it and they have a false sense of security and go home and maybe infect others. One of the ways around it is if somebody test positive then they need to be tested again for confirmation. Of course that's not going to happen until we have enough tests out there. Right now we're being told if you have the symptoms then assume you have it. This is an easy way to help prevention if you do have it but chances are we'll never know how many of those people actually do or did have it. All this adds to the distortion of the numbers.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2020 9:05:03 GMT
And we don't often make a fuss about influenza per se, unless it reaches pneumonia phase. People will have similar symptoms, but the body will react differently depending on the person. I just feel like I am being made to feel fearful about catching something, when I'm not. We need to take the best precautions, but since no flu has ever been defeated, and humans everywhere are coming down with different strains year after year, it all seems futile to promote all this social hysteria. I agree some of this hysteria is overblown. The problem is that this virus is overloading medical facilities to the point where they're keeping bodies in refrigerated trucks and people are being turned away and told they're not sick. As far as I know this doesn't happen with the flu. "Most" of the time with coronaviruses once the antibodies are there you're safe. With this virus there is evidence that there may be only short term immunity. Of course this all speculation at this point. This is part of the SARS family. It took roughly 15 years to come to this. It's safe to assume that this will mutate and will be back in a different form, IMO. I'm not sure that all this is futile. The incubation period is roughly 14-24 days until death from what I've read. Which means that the people who are dying today contracted this virus 2-3 weeks ago. It's going to be another couple weeks to see if all this lockdown stuff was worth it. I don't think that trying to save people is ever futile I also realize my point of view may be skewed since this has affected me personally. Like you said, take precautions and stay safe. I DO think that this has shown several holes in how prepared the world is to combat this kind of crisis. Will we learn? I have my doubts.
|
|
