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Post by Richard Kimble on Feb 20, 2017 0:07:46 GMT
I don't think Citizen Kane is the GOAT movie either. I'm not sure there even is a GOAT movie.
But if there has to be one, it might as well be Kane. I certainly prefer it to Vertigo.
The guy running the Sight and Sound poll made it clear he didn't want Kane to win again, which kind of invalidates the whole thing to me...
The scary part is when this next generation comes into power and starts voting for The Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars, or The Dark Knight. I assure you, these people exist...
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Post by geode on Feb 20, 2017 0:54:18 GMT
I don't think Citizen Kane is the GOAT movie either. I'm not sure there even is a GOAT movie. But if there has to be one, it might as well be Kane. I certainly prefer it to Vertigo. The guy running the Sight and Sound poll made it clear he didn't want Kane to win again, which kind of invalidates the whole thing to me... The scary part is when this next generation comes into power and starts voting for The Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars, or The Dark Knight. I assure you, these people exist... I have had discussions with a lot of people younger than me on the IMDb claiming "The Shawshank Redemption" to be the greatest of all time. I replied that it was a rather mediocre variation on "Papillion" but they voted it #1 on the IMDb. For me if such a thing exits it is "The Third Man".... |
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Feb 20, 2017 3:57:15 GMT
I feel that the performances by Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins elevate The Shawshank Redemption and turn it into a truly memorable film. Of course, I would not call it the greatest film of all time, or the greatest film of the 1990s, or the greatest prison movie in history. It is an excellent example of a certain kind of prison movie, though.
Anyway, the notion that there is any single "greatest film of all time" is a ridiculous construct in my view (as Mr. Kimble sort of indicated). The most that one can do, I feel, is cite a certain group of movies from a certain genre or a certain era—and even then, the points will always be debatable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 4:59:46 GMT
Seriously tough question, we are talking Art here and that is always subject to a person's taste.
I know that 'Citizen Kane' is credited with being such a well-studied film and influencing a whole generation of film makers but it seems to be kinda stuck in that 'Golden Age of Cinema' and I could not see something like it being released today, where-as a brilliant movie like 'The Treasure of the Sierra Madra' (1948) by John Huston could be imagined opening in theater today. It feels timeless.
If a movie becomes dated, does it lose it's greatness if the mass of viewing audiences no longer watch it? There are many works of Art that caused a stir in the past-almost completely forgotten.
This is not an insult to 'Citizen Kane' I am just questioning how something loses it luster, though I will agree with Geode, the 'Third man' is a far more interesting film and therefore I think it is better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 9:44:35 GMT
In my personal opinion Gone With The Wind
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 9:53:41 GMT
Bondarchuk's War and Peace.
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Post by marshamae on Feb 21, 2017 15:33:39 GMT
Interesting that the films with clever camera work, Dutch angles etc, seem more dated to me that the straight forward good story telling.
Years ago I data based my VHS collection and decided to rate the films. I assigned numbers to the best 20. There were 50 films in that group and over 400 titles in the top 100. So I switched to stars . There are just too many great films to artificially exclude any for the sake of a neat schematic system.
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Post by MooseNugget on Feb 21, 2017 15:41:07 GMT
I guess judging by impact on the industry I'd have to say the first Star Wars film.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 0:15:00 GMT
The scary part is when this next generation comes into power and starts voting for The Shawshank Redemption, Star Wars, or The Dark Knight. I assure you, these people exist... The impact of recent generations, many of whom will even not watch a B&W film, is already evident in many movie polls. Maybe the best way to ensure the true greats do not lose their rightful places is to somehow "lock-in" the results for the first century of film, maybe use AFI's 100 as of the year 2000. Then the X, Y, and Z's can have all the films made since the beginning of this century to fight over amongst themselves! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 2:52:42 GMT
I guess judging by impact on the industry I'd have to say the first Star Wars film. I agree in part because every-time I talk about 'Star War (iv)' as one of the greatest cinematic achievements of the 20th century, you get the ? sure kid but it is excellence on all levels of film craft and influence- Just like 'Citizen Kane' is selected out for being, I heard that the championing of 'Citizen Kane' was Rodger Ebert's pet project, wonder what the thoughts pre-1980 were on the greatest film, might still be an article somewhere around clipped on the net. Ben-Hur is defiantly up there. And I am more impressed with it than 'Citizen Kane'. Still love-ya Orson! |
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Post by rick220 on Feb 23, 2017 8:29:20 GMT
To add to this potentially volatile debate, 2 questions.
Is it possible the GOAT was not an American film? (sub question: Is it possible there are no American films in the Top10?)
Is it time to reassess the definitions and rules of what makes a film 'great' in the first place?
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Post by MooseNugget on Feb 23, 2017 8:55:30 GMT
Is it possible the GOAT was not an American film? Well if all you're considering is the quality of the film certainly. |
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Post by naterdawg on Feb 23, 2017 14:37:38 GMT
I feel that the performances by Morgan Freeman and Tim Robbins elevate The Shawshank Redemption and turn it into a truly memorable film. Of course, I would not call it the greatest film of all time, or the greatest film of the 1990s, or the greatest prison movie in history. It is an excellent example of a certain kind of prison movie, though. Anyway, the notion that there is any single "greatest film of all time" is a ridiculous construct in my view (as Mr. Kimble sort of indicated). The most that one can do, I feel, is cite a certain group of movies from a certain genre or a certain era—and even then, the points will always be debatable. Shawshank is a GOOD film, but it's length is a drag for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 3:54:56 GMT
I wouldn't begrudge Kane, it's a blazing, bravura work, epic and mythic. The only thing is that this title bestowed on it seems to make the film seem sepia-toned and remote. It's almost more famous for being the Greatest Film Ever than for the film itself. It doesn't seem like it's a living, ever-changing thing like say a Vertigo where people are transfixed by it, bewitched by it, pulled into it.
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Post by outrider127 on Feb 24, 2017 16:57:22 GMT
Greatest Film of All Time is the Russian version of War and Peace Pt 2(1968)--Sweeping Epic film, highly dramatic scenes and the greatest anti-war movie ever made
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Post by outrider127 on Feb 24, 2017 16:58:54 GMT
I guess judging by impact on the industry I'd have to say the first Star Wars film. lol no way--but it certainly had a positive effect for Science Fiction films in general |
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Post by outrider127 on Feb 24, 2017 17:01:54 GMT
Bondarchuk's War and Peace. Glad to see that somebody else has mentioned this 1968 Epic masterpiece |
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Post by MooseNugget on Feb 24, 2017 20:31:40 GMT
I guess judging by impact on the industry I'd have to say the first Star Wars film. lol no way--but it certainly had a positive effect for Science Fiction films in general There's also the big negative of Hollywood always wanting to make sequels that the original trilogy made popular. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:55:56 GMT
To add to this potentially volatile debate, 2 questions. Is it possible the GOAT was not an American film? (sub question: Is it possible there are no American films in the Top10?) Is it time to reassess the definitions and rules of what makes a film 'great' in the first place? Yes, it is possible and we are talking our own personal choices. Yes, the critical opinion and the popular opinion of 'Star Wars IV' shines a great light on established snobbery. No, 'Greatest' must be hammered out over 2-3 or more generations of viewers, styles, tastes and fashions change but Van Gogh endures. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:58:31 GMT
Has to be Stalker 1979 by Andrei Tarkovsky.
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