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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 7, 2020 20:47:49 GMT
At this point, it’s fair to say that the Arrowverse has been a generally more successful attempt at building an interconnected DC universe than the movies ever had. If you ask me, that’s a bit of a depressing thing to consider, but for whatever reason, WB is happy enough with these shows to reach a $300 million deal with Greg Berlanti. Still, would people here say that it’s any good?
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Post by dazz on Apr 7, 2020 21:36:35 GMT
Actually not really, Arrow and Flash did it well but then the introductions to everything else just kept screwing things up, Supergirl literally has the premise that Superman doesn't come to help out because Kara got upset he had to save her from a VOTW, so he then doesn't get involved for the rest of the season even when she is fighting an entire terrorist group of Kryptonians who want to fuck up the entire world, LOT has characters constantly changing history and yet never causing any disruptions to the timeline except for an occasional joke, and even the very first season had them introduce time travel rules only to break them the next episode and now the show is basically a sitcom, Batgirl just doesn't work at all in the main universe because Arrow and Flash outside of easter egg nods such as Oliver saying Oracle for a codename is taken in a passing comment they don't reference Batman at all, cut to 7 season in and Batman not only exists, but has done for a decade plus and only in the last 2-3 years given up, oh and now he's meant to be an urban legend to everyone outside of Gotham though everyone in Gotham knows he exists, and he was active as recently as I think 2015/6 so the age of smartphones and everyone having hi res camera's on them at all times but apparently no one can prove Batman exists to people outside of Gotham.
Then theres the multiverse where they actually say there are only 53 universes one year then they increase it substantially the next year, then they destroy it the following year and rebuild it, but now no one on Earth Prime knows there is still a multiverse...
No it didn't do a better job, the DCEU actually does a better job of the most part, until they decided fuck it we wont worry about that for now, but yeah before hand it atleast didn't so blatantly fuck up consistency or logic like the Arrowverse did.
But yeah the shows are hugely popular globally, often among the 5 most downloaded shows off the internet and such, global appeal is huge, but then we are talking like 7+ shows a year Berlanti produces for them, and that $300m isn't for a single year but like 6 years, so $50m a year for 7+ shows a year and counting, lucky bastard, then again he does have to pay most of that out in taxes or agent fee's but still lucky bastard.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 7, 2020 23:57:00 GMT
Actually not really, Arrow and Flash did it well but then the introductions to everything else just kept screwing things up, Supergirl literally has the premise that Superman doesn't come to help out because Kara got upset he had to save her from a VOTW, so he then doesn't get involved for the rest of the season even when she is fighting an entire terrorist group of Kryptonians who want to fuck up the entire world, LOT has characters constantly changing history and yet never causing any disruptions to the timeline except for an occasional joke, and even the very first season had them introduce time travel rules only to break them the next episode and now the show is basically a sitcom, Batgirl just doesn't work at all in the main universe because Arrow and Flash outside of easter egg nods such as Oliver saying Oracle for a codename is taken in a passing comment they don't reference Batman at all, cut to 7 season in and Batman not only exists, but has done for a decade plus and only in the last 2-3 years given up, oh and now he's meant to be an urban legend to everyone outside of Gotham though everyone in Gotham knows he exists, and he was active as recently as I think 2015/6 so the age of smartphones and everyone having hi res camera's on them at all times but apparently no one can prove Batman exists to people outside of Gotham. Then theres the multiverse where they actually say there are only 53 universes one year then they increase it substantially the next year, then they destroy it the following year and rebuild it, but now no one on Earth Prime knows there is still a multiverse... No it didn't do a better job, the DCEU actually does a better job of the most part, until they decided fuck it we wont worry about that for now, but yeah before hand it atleast didn't so blatantly fuck up consistency or logic like the Arrowverse did. But yeah the shows are hugely popular globally, often among the 5 most downloaded shows off the internet and such, global appeal is huge, but then we are talking like 7+ shows a year Berlanti produces for them, and that $300m isn't for a single year but like 6 years, so $50m a year for 7+ shows a year and counting, lucky bastard, then again he does have to pay most of that out in taxes or agent fee's but still lucky bastard. Well, regardless of which one you or I might think did the better job, it would seem that the Arrowverse is more or less DC’s MCU at this point. As I said, that’s a little depressing to consider, but it is what it is.
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Post by dazz on Apr 8, 2020 0:12:15 GMT
Actually not really, Arrow and Flash did it well but then the introductions to everything else just kept screwing things up, Supergirl literally has the premise that Superman doesn't come to help out because Kara got upset he had to save her from a VOTW, so he then doesn't get involved for the rest of the season even when she is fighting an entire terrorist group of Kryptonians who want to fuck up the entire world, LOT has characters constantly changing history and yet never causing any disruptions to the timeline except for an occasional joke, and even the very first season had them introduce time travel rules only to break them the next episode and now the show is basically a sitcom, Batgirl just doesn't work at all in the main universe because Arrow and Flash outside of easter egg nods such as Oliver saying Oracle for a codename is taken in a passing comment they don't reference Batman at all, cut to 7 season in and Batman not only exists, but has done for a decade plus and only in the last 2-3 years given up, oh and now he's meant to be an urban legend to everyone outside of Gotham though everyone in Gotham knows he exists, and he was active as recently as I think 2015/6 so the age of smartphones and everyone having hi res camera's on them at all times but apparently no one can prove Batman exists to people outside of Gotham. Then theres the multiverse where they actually say there are only 53 universes one year then they increase it substantially the next year, then they destroy it the following year and rebuild it, but now no one on Earth Prime knows there is still a multiverse... No it didn't do a better job, the DCEU actually does a better job of the most part, until they decided fuck it we wont worry about that for now, but yeah before hand it atleast didn't so blatantly fuck up consistency or logic like the Arrowverse did. But yeah the shows are hugely popular globally, often among the 5 most downloaded shows off the internet and such, global appeal is huge, but then we are talking like 7+ shows a year Berlanti produces for them, and that $300m isn't for a single year but like 6 years, so $50m a year for 7+ shows a year and counting, lucky bastard, then again he does have to pay most of that out in taxes or agent fee's but still lucky bastard. Well, regardless of which one you or I might think did the better job, it would seem that the Arrowverse is more or less DC’s MCU at this point. As I said, that’s a little depressing to consider, but it is what it is. That's because Berlanti was given the control to pretty much make the shows as he wanted to, a few caveats along the way sure but yeah, he's told you can have characters XYZ and that's about it, the movies however have all this stupid bullshit of second guessing and nit picking, and hilariously it seems anytime WB is gung ho and confident in something it fails, things they are wary of is what seems to succeed, you would figure they would have eventually learnt to NOT follow their instincts the trout brained faecal ferrets they are.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 8, 2020 23:22:55 GMT
Honestly the best we ever got was the Timm-verse.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 9, 2020 17:45:22 GMT
Honestly the best we ever got was the Timm-verse. I can’t say I ever really bought into the hype for the DCAU. B:TAS and S:TAS are certainly better than the cartoons that Marvel was putting out in the 90s, but they have their own problems, and I really don’t like The New Batman Adventures or Batman Beyond. Plus, the DCAU gave us Harley Quinn, Batman x Batgirl and a version of Wonder Woman that I’m really not a fan of, so I’d personally hold those things against it. Mask of the Phantasm is pretty good though.
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 10, 2020 13:37:37 GMT
I can't take those CW shows seriously. They are too second rate for me.It literally looks like cosplay and the action is just goofy. It reminds me of Twilight, The Mortal Instruments, and other stuff geared towards women.
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Post by sostie on Apr 14, 2020 13:13:59 GMT
They have created a successful universe but the quality of te shows themelves are poor.
I never really got into the Arrowverse shows except for Legends Of Tomorrow, which is so bad its good. I gave up on the rest though have watched the crossovers. Just watched Crisis On Infinate Earths and got to say, it was fucking awful.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Apr 15, 2020 16:46:45 GMT
They have created a successful universe but the quality of te shows themelves are poor. I never really got into the Arrowverse shows except for Legends Of Tomorrow, which is so bad its good. I gave up on the rest though have watched the crossovers. Just watched Crisis On Infinate Earths and got to say, it was fucking awful. The weirdest thing to me about Crisis on Infinite Earths is the implication that all four of the Christopher Reeve movies and Superman Returns are somehow all canon with one another.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 16, 2020 19:54:34 GMT
I suppose so, and that is unfortunate because it jumped the shark a few years ago.
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Post by dnno1 on Apr 20, 2020 14:57:56 GMT
Actually not really, Arrow and Flash did it well but then the introductions to everything else just kept screwing things up, Supergirl literally has the premise that Superman doesn't come to help out because Kara got upset he had to save her from a VOTW, so he then doesn't get involved for the rest of the season even when she is fighting an entire terrorist group of Kryptonians who want to fuck up the entire world, LOT has characters constantly changing history and yet never causing any disruptions to the timeline except for an occasional joke, and even the very first season had them introduce time travel rules only to break them the next episode and now the show is basically a sitcom, Batgirl just doesn't work at all in the main universe because Arrow and Flash outside of easter egg nods such as Oliver saying Oracle for a codename is taken in a passing comment they don't reference Batman at all, cut to 7 season in and Batman not only exists, but has done for a decade plus and only in the last 2-3 years given up, oh and now he's meant to be an urban legend to everyone outside of Gotham though everyone in Gotham knows he exists, and he was active as recently as I think 2015/6 so the age of smartphones and everyone having hi res camera's on them at all times but apparently no one can prove Batman exists to people outside of Gotham. Then theres the multiverse where they actually say there are only 53 universes one year then they increase it substantially the next year, then they destroy it the following year and rebuild it, but now no one on Earth Prime knows there is still a multiverse... No it didn't do a better job, the DCEU actually does a better job of the most part, until they decided fuck it we wont worry about that for now, but yeah before hand it atleast didn't so blatantly fuck up consistency or logic like the Arrowverse did. But yeah the shows are hugely popular globally, often among the 5 most downloaded shows off the internet and such, global appeal is huge, but then we are talking like 7+ shows a year Berlanti produces for them, and that $300m isn't for a single year but like 6 years, so $50m a year for 7+ shows a year and counting, lucky bastard, then again he does have to pay most of that out in taxes or agent fee's but still lucky bastard. Dazz, if there were no cinematic universe, we probably would have seen Batman and Superman in the Arrowverse (heck, there may not have been an Arrow program for that matter). It is only because of the cinematic franchises that the Arroverse exists in this format.
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Post by dazz on Apr 20, 2020 18:01:05 GMT
Actually not really, Arrow and Flash did it well but then the introductions to everything else just kept screwing things up, Supergirl literally has the premise that Superman doesn't come to help out because Kara got upset he had to save her from a VOTW, so he then doesn't get involved for the rest of the season even when she is fighting an entire terrorist group of Kryptonians who want to fuck up the entire world, LOT has characters constantly changing history and yet never causing any disruptions to the timeline except for an occasional joke, and even the very first season had them introduce time travel rules only to break them the next episode and now the show is basically a sitcom, Batgirl just doesn't work at all in the main universe because Arrow and Flash outside of easter egg nods such as Oliver saying Oracle for a codename is taken in a passing comment they don't reference Batman at all, cut to 7 season in and Batman not only exists, but has done for a decade plus and only in the last 2-3 years given up, oh and now he's meant to be an urban legend to everyone outside of Gotham though everyone in Gotham knows he exists, and he was active as recently as I think 2015/6 so the age of smartphones and everyone having hi res camera's on them at all times but apparently no one can prove Batman exists to people outside of Gotham. Then theres the multiverse where they actually say there are only 53 universes one year then they increase it substantially the next year, then they destroy it the following year and rebuild it, but now no one on Earth Prime knows there is still a multiverse... No it didn't do a better job, the DCEU actually does a better job of the most part, until they decided fuck it we wont worry about that for now, but yeah before hand it atleast didn't so blatantly fuck up consistency or logic like the Arrowverse did. But yeah the shows are hugely popular globally, often among the 5 most downloaded shows off the internet and such, global appeal is huge, but then we are talking like 7+ shows a year Berlanti produces for them, and that $300m isn't for a single year but like 6 years, so $50m a year for 7+ shows a year and counting, lucky bastard, then again he does have to pay most of that out in taxes or agent fee's but still lucky bastard. Dazz, if there were no cinematic universe, we probably would have seen Batman and Superman in the Arrowverse (heck, there may not have been an Arrow program for that matter). It is only because of the cinematic franchises that the Arroverse exists in this format.
Not really the Trinity not being on TV, with the exception to Superman for some reason, isn't due to any one franchise, it's because DC wants to keep them for the movies for the most part, the DCEU is why Amanda Waller, Deathstroke, the Suicide Squad ect got abruptly written out of the shows, but the poor explanation as to why Superman doesn't get involved in Supergirl, or why Batman is a myth to the rest of the world but a known figure in Gotham one of the largest cities in the Arrowverse, as well as why he was active less than 5 years ago but never actually mentioned is down to poor writing, same reason why Barry loses his powers in Flash whilst at the same time on Arrow does a cameo with powers for a funeral that same week, why world shattering, timeline destroying alterations don't carry over from show to show, but a fucking stuffed bear called pissing Beebo does, that's not on the DCEU, it's on poor quality control as they kept branching out, hence why S1 and 2 of Arrow was great, S1 of Flash was great but Arrow S3 sucked and all the shows became mediocre at best once they went to 4+ shows a week, the talent got spread thin and the care for the product diminished.
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Post by dnno1 on May 5, 2020 17:46:01 GMT
Dazz, if there were no cinematic universe, we probably would have seen Batman and Superman in the Arrowverse (heck, there may not have been an Arrow program for that matter). It is only because of the cinematic franchises that the Arroverse exists in this format.
Not really the Trinity not being on TV, with the exception to Superman for some reason, isn't due to any one franchise, it's because DC wants to keep them for the movies for the most part, the DCEU is why Amanda Waller, Deathstroke, the Suicide Squad ect got abruptly written out of the shows, but the poor explanation as to why Superman doesn't get involved in Supergirl, or why Batman is a myth to the rest of the world but a known figure in Gotham one of the largest cities in the Arrowverse, as well as why he was active less than 5 years ago but never actually mentioned is down to poor writing, same reason why Barry loses his powers in Flash whilst at the same time on Arrow does a cameo with powers for a funeral that same week, why world shattering, timeline destroying alterations don't carry over from show to show, but a fucking stuffed bear called pissing Beebo does, that's not on the DCEU, it's on poor quality control as they kept branching out, hence why S1 and 2 of Arrow was great, S1 of Flash was great but Arrow S3 sucked and all the shows became mediocre at best once they went to 4+ shows a week, the talent got spread thin and the care for the product diminished.
 The main cast of "Birds of Prey"(circa 2002)  Batman Cameo in "Birds of Prey"(circa 2002) The fact remains that 18 years ago, the CW had a show (called "Birds of Prey") that featured Batman in a cameo. Had the show got picked up for follow on seasons, we might have seen Batman then.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 6, 2020 16:00:36 GMT
Dazz, if there were no cinematic universe, we probably would have seen Batman and Superman in the Arrowverse (heck, there may not have been an Arrow program for that matter). It is only because of the cinematic franchises that the Arroverse exists in this format.
Not really the Trinity not being on TV, with the exception to Superman for some reason, isn't due to any one franchise, it's because DC wants to keep them for the movies for the most part, the DCEU is why Amanda Waller, Deathstroke, the Suicide Squad ect got abruptly written out of the shows, but the poor explanation as to why Superman doesn't get involved in Supergirl, or why Batman is a myth to the rest of the world but a known figure in Gotham one of the largest cities in the Arrowverse, as well as why he was active less than 5 years ago but never actually mentioned is down to poor writing, same reason why Barry loses his powers in Flash whilst at the same time on Arrow does a cameo with powers for a funeral that same week, why world shattering, timeline destroying alterations don't carry over from show to show, but a fucking stuffed bear called pissing Beebo does, that's not on the DCEU, it's on poor quality control as they kept branching out, hence why S1 and 2 of Arrow was great, S1 of Flash was great but Arrow S3 sucked and all the shows became mediocre at best once they went to 4+ shows a week, the talent got spread thin and the care for the product diminished.
Isn't Superman usually off world? Before Crisis, he was on Argo. Waiting for the seasons to finish so I can binge them on Netflix. So haven't seen any of them since Crisis (just the follow up episodes for each).
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Post by dazz on May 7, 2020 4:00:16 GMT
Not really the Trinity not being on TV, with the exception to Superman for some reason, isn't due to any one franchise, it's because DC wants to keep them for the movies for the most part, the DCEU is why Amanda Waller, Deathstroke, the Suicide Squad ect got abruptly written out of the shows, but the poor explanation as to why Superman doesn't get involved in Supergirl, or why Batman is a myth to the rest of the world but a known figure in Gotham one of the largest cities in the Arrowverse, as well as why he was active less than 5 years ago but never actually mentioned is down to poor writing, same reason why Barry loses his powers in Flash whilst at the same time on Arrow does a cameo with powers for a funeral that same week, why world shattering, timeline destroying alterations don't carry over from show to show, but a fucking stuffed bear called pissing Beebo does, that's not on the DCEU, it's on poor quality control as they kept branching out, hence why S1 and 2 of Arrow was great, S1 of Flash was great but Arrow S3 sucked and all the shows became mediocre at best once they went to 4+ shows a week, the talent got spread thin and the care for the product diminished.
Isn't Superman usually off world? Before Crisis, he was on Argo. Waiting for the seasons to finish so I can binge them on Netflix. So haven't seen any of them since Crisis (just the follow up episodes for each). No he was off world for 1 episode iirc and then he went to Argo between Elseworlds and Crisis, otherwise he's on earth and just doesn't get involved because Kara got stroppy about him saving her that one time in S1, otherwise he just lets her be for the most part, the off world thing should have been the catalyst for the series, similar to how Batman being gone is a major part of what brought Batwoman into existence in that show.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 13, 2020 20:57:12 GMT
Isn't Superman usually off world? Before Crisis, he was on Argo. Waiting for the seasons to finish so I can binge them on Netflix. So haven't seen any of them since Crisis (just the follow up episodes for each). No he was off world for 1 episode iirc and then he went to Argo between Elseworlds and Crisis, otherwise he's on earth and just doesn't get involved because Kara got stroppy about him saving her that one time in S1, otherwise he just lets her be for the most part, the off world thing should have been the catalyst for the series, similar to how Batman being gone is a major part of what brought Batwoman into existence in that show.
It's strange that Kara has no problem with everyone else saving her every week on the show.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2020 23:58:31 GMT
No way but it does have its highlights. Batting average is low across the board
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 23, 2020 0:05:54 GMT
Well i do think Arrowverse is better than the DCU.
And i don`t think Arrowverse is as bad as many claim, sure its not a great master piece or anything and its pretty cheesy at tines, but i think its entertaining and i enjoy it, And i know most will probably disagree with me but i am going to say yes to the original question.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on May 26, 2020 14:40:25 GMT
Well i do think Arrowverse is better than the DCU. And i don`t think Arrowverse is as bad as many claim, sure its not a great master piece or anything and its pretty cheesy at tines, but i think its entertaining and i enjoy it, And i know most will probably disagree with me but i am going to say yes to the original question. You need to check the answer in the poll because I'm still the only "yes" up there. With you there will be 2 of us.
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