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Post by ck100 on Apr 29, 2020 0:15:34 GMT
What are some modern films with a bad reputation that you think will have its reputation improve over time?
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Post by twothousandonemark on Apr 29, 2020 0:37:31 GMT
Fair question. I remember listening to a Chuck Klosterman audiobook (But What If We're Wrong?) where they pointed out how often legendary figures &/or art seem to get more fully embraced decades & generations from whence they came. No one should predict for example who we might nominate for the 21st century's greatest living figures, because ppl haven't yet fully seen the echoes of their impact, studied them, &/or embraced them for subsequent eras to come.
It isn't that those figures aren't already alive. It's that the ppl who will be there to start compiling such a list 60-80yrs from now, aren't even born yet.
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Post by politicidal on Apr 29, 2020 1:06:41 GMT
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Post by Nalkarj on Apr 29, 2020 13:02:59 GMT
Batman v Superman (2016).
Betting people will start remembering this one more fondly in a few years, when the Marvel boom has died down. Then there will probably be a pushback to that, saying yes it really is that bad.
Not sure why I think that about this movie—maybe because it has themes and impressive set pieces but just doesn’t hang together—but even while watching it I had (and still have) a strong feeling that will happen.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 30, 2020 0:36:16 GMT
The Last Jedi.
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Post by RobotTheLiving on Apr 30, 2020 1:14:24 GMT
Solo: a Star Wars Story will probably have a better reception over time in spite of it's production turmoil & low box office. It's a very solid adventure story that doesn't depend on the Skywalker Saga. It is also carried by strong performances by Alden Ehrenreich & Donald Glover.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Apr 30, 2020 2:25:32 GMT
Happy Death Day 2 U will someday be appreciated for the fun, genre-bending sequel it is. Hopefully...
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 30, 2020 4:51:22 GMT
Doubt it. If anything I can see its reputation worsening over time and be seen as even more of a black sheep for the franchise. It is THAT movie that pretty much soured the brand for a lot of people and interest in Disney's management for the property dropped.
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Post by Prime etc. on Apr 30, 2020 5:05:28 GMT
I think much of the modern studio output will not get re-assessed. They enjoy massive advertising attention and critical attention (positive or not) and if the audiences are rejecting them, they will only have a chance to be favored by niche audiences--but usually the films that do get re-assessed by niche audiences are ones that were obscure or passed over when released.
Corporate-designed films have a steep hill to climb in terms of getting favor from cinema aficionados. The whole design strategy of these films is 4 quadrant appeal and avoiding a story that has a lot of appeal to a small audience.
The goal is to make a cookie bland enough to be palatable across the globe--if they made a gourmet cookie that was rejected by most, then it would still have a chance to be appreciated later by a specialty customer (Pixar executive said movies are like cookies and used the analogy to explain why movies weren't as satisfying--from a Commonwealth Club of California show around 2010).
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 30, 2020 5:45:52 GMT
Doubt it. If anything I can see its reputation worsening over time and be seen as even more of a black sheep for the franchise. It is THAT movie that pretty much soured the brand for a lot of people and interest in Disney's management for the property dropped. We'll see. People watching it 20 years from now will not have wasted two years of their lives on Snoke and Rey parent theories. They will not have grown up with a flawless boyscout image of Luke and the Jedi that a deconstruction of is threatened by. Diverse casts will be common place. All that petty hatred aside, and what you have left is a mostly good movie. One that tried to expand the mythos and be a little different, which can piss off fans at first but usually is reevaluated and appreciated over time. Just look at Empire. |
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Post by onethreetwo on Apr 30, 2020 5:51:08 GMT
If there is a god, Evil Dead (2013) will someday be seen as the fucking blood soaked masterpiece that it is.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Apr 30, 2020 6:24:46 GMT
Doubt it. If anything I can see its reputation worsening over time and be seen as even more of a black sheep for the franchise. It is THAT movie that pretty much soured the brand for a lot of people and interest in Disney's management for the property dropped. We'll see. People watching it 20 years from now will not have wasted two years of their lives on Snoke and Rey parent theories. They will not have grown up with a flawless boyscout image of Luke and the Jedi that a deconstruction of is threatened by. Diverse casts will be common place. All that petty hatred aside, and what you have left is a mostly good movie. One that tried to expand the mythos and be a little different, which can piss off fans at first but usually is reevaluated and appreciated over time. Just look at Empire. Thanks for the laugh, Empire was very well liked when it was released by both critics and audiences and it actually skyrocketed interest instead of slowing it down. And oh please, the people who saw the original trilogy in theatres went on to have kids of their own who they introduced the lore to with episodes 4 to 6. And NOW those very kids are adults too with children of their own, and guess how most of them introduce the Star Wars mythos to their kids? Showing episodes 4, 5, and 6, whatever follows be it the prequel trilogy, the cartoons, the comic books, or the novels and video games come after in whatever order but statistically most start with the original trilogy. No serious Star Wars fan is going to have their kid be introduced to Luke Skywalker as a cranky old hermit who quit and abandoned their friends and family, no, they'll show the iconic version as introduced and developed from A New Hope to Return of the Jedi. And calling Luke in the original trilogy as a "flawless boy scout" really? Are you not familiar with the hero's journey? How much of a fan of the property are you? Or are you more of a Rian Johnson fan? NOBODY has an issue with diverse casts, the problem with the new trilogy is most of the characters are boring, and uninteresting, and seem like machines that give plot exposition. I'm pretty sure anyone, especially a newbie, who sees The Force Awakens and then watches The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is going to be let down by the twists revolving Snoke and find Rey's parentage as a very forced addition, given Palpatine's end in Return. The sequel trilogy is just lacks the heart, attention to detail, and passion that was there at first, in 20 years most will still hold the original trilogy as the best while the prequels and sequels will probably be taking second or third place. Johnson is better left with quirky indie flicks.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Apr 30, 2020 8:00:38 GMT
We'll see. People watching it 20 years from now will not have wasted two years of their lives on Snoke and Rey parent theories. They will not have grown up with a flawless boyscout image of Luke and the Jedi that a deconstruction of is threatened by. Diverse casts will be common place. All that petty hatred aside, and what you have left is a mostly good movie. One that tried to expand the mythos and be a little different, which can piss off fans at first but usually is reevaluated and appreciated over time. Just look at Empire. Thanks for the laugh, Empire was very well liked when it was released by both critics and audiences and it actually skyrocketed interest instead of slowing it down. And oh please, the people who saw the original trilogy in theatres went on to have kids of their own who they introduced the lore to with episodes 4 to 6. And NOW those very kids are adults too with children of their own, and guess how most of them introduce the Star Wars mythos to their kids? Showing episodes 4, 5, and 6, whatever follows be it the prequel trilogy, the cartoons, the comic books, or the novels and video games come after in whatever order but statistically most start with the original trilogy. No serious Star Wars fan is going to have their kid be introduced to Luke Skywalker as a cranky old hermit who quit and abandoned their friends and family, no, they'll show the iconic version as introduced and developed from A New Hope to Return of the Jedi. And calling Luke in the original trilogy as a "flawless boy scout" really? Are you not familiar with the hero's journey? How much of a fan of the property are you? Or are you more of a Rian Johnson fan? NOBODY has an issue with diverse casts, the problem with the new trilogy is most of the characters are boring, and uninteresting, and seem like machines that give plot exposition. I'm pretty sure anyone, especially a newbie, who sees The Force Awakens and then watches The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker is going to be let down by the twists revolving Snoke and find Rey's parentage as a very forced addition, given Palpatine's end in Return. The sequel trilogy is just lacks the heart, attention to detail, and passion that was there at first, in 20 years most will still hold the original trilogy as the best while the prequels and sequels will probably be taking second or third place. Johnson is better left with quirky indie flicks. You don't seem to be laughing much with that essay, amigo. Of course, you spent half of it arguing a non-point. No shit most people start with the OT. No one said otherwise. However, with TLJ sitting right next to it, future generations aren't gonna have as much time to build up a distorted image of a guy who ended the trilogy chopping off his dad's hand in a fit of rage. Oh yes, I'm familiar with Luke. I'm also familiar with the Jedi, a dogmatic cult that fell largely through hubris. Rian Johnson was also familiar with these things and built upon them. What a quirky indie hack. Shoulda taken that Joseph Campbell 98 course with you. And you can find a lot of articles about how divisive Empire was when it came out. There's also common sense. RotJ spent a lot of time being lighter and more like the first film not for nothing. |
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Post by ck100 on Apr 30, 2020 9:55:49 GMT
I've actually heard that Empire got mixed reviews when it first came out. I could be mistaken though.
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Post by jonesjxd on Apr 30, 2020 10:13:44 GMT
Cats . I told my girlfriend to "laugh all you want now, in 5 years college kids will be dressed in leotards and cat makeup lined up for midnight screenings for this movie", she laughed of course, then right before the lockdown told me her cousin went to a midnight screening of the movie at Baldwin Wallace...so maybe the reputation won't improve, but its destined to become the next Rocky Horror or The Room.
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Post by Anonymous Andy on Apr 30, 2020 12:22:40 GMT
Doubt it. If anything I can see its reputation worsening over time and be seen as even more of a black sheep for the franchise. It is THAT movie that pretty much soured the brand for a lot of people and interest in Disney's management for the property dropped. We'll see. People watching it 20 years from now will not have wasted two years of their lives on Snoke and Rey parent theories. They will not have grown up with a flawless boyscout image of Luke and the Jedi that a deconstruction of is threatened by. Diverse casts will be common place. All that petty hatred aside, and what you have left is a mostly good movie. One that tried to expand the mythos and be a little different, which can piss off fans at first but usually is reevaluated and appreciated over time. Just look at Empire. But but but...brown people! Asians! SJWs! My childhood! |
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Post by janntosh on Apr 30, 2020 15:12:19 GMT
Man of Steel
Hobbit movies
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Post by janntosh on Apr 30, 2020 15:13:02 GMT
Doubt it. If anything I can see its reputation worsening over time and be seen as even more of a black sheep for the franchise. It is THAT movie that pretty much soured the brand for a lot of people and interest in Disney's management for the property dropped. We'll see. People watching it 20 years from now will not have wasted two years of their lives on Snoke and Rey parent theories. They will not have grown up with a flawless boyscout image of Luke and the Jedi that a deconstruction of is threatened by. Diverse casts will be common place. All that petty hatred aside, and what you have left is a mostly good movie. One that tried to expand the mythos and be a little different, which can piss off fans at first but usually is reevaluated and appreciated over time. Just look at Empire. The only flawless person in those movies is Rey |
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Post by Archelaus on Apr 30, 2020 17:50:11 GMT
Inherent Vice
Cloud Atlas
The Lobster
The Tree of Life
Birdman
The Passion of the Christ
Black Swan
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Post by hitchcockthelegend on Apr 30, 2020 18:57:00 GMT
Solo: a Star Wars Story will probably have a better reception over time in spite of it's production turmoil & low box office. It's a very solid adventure story that doesn't depend on the Skywalker Saga. It is also carried by strong performances by Alden Ehrenreich & Donald Glover. It's a damn good action adventure film - better than the sleepwalk that was The Last Jedi
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