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Post by llanwydd on May 3, 2020 22:38:48 GMT
For those who have not read the recent tweet from the president, he said this in reference to his impeachment. It immediately inspired me to consider what might actually be the greatest hoax in American history. If that was a hoax, I can think of several greater ones. What do you think? Feel free to post one and we can have a discussion. Some will think of the JFK assassination but, in my opinion, one greater hoax is J. Edgar Hoover denying the existence of the mafia in America, which I suspect was an attempt by Hoover to protect himself against the mob, and which allowed the spread of organized crime all over the country.
Any comments?
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Post by truecristian on May 4, 2020 3:33:41 GMT
Where are your citations, Dumbass?
Where is your evidence?
Where is your logical argument? can't make a coherent argument without
utilizing ad hominem, lying, and cowardice? Why doesn`t anyone make valid arguments in favor of conspiracy in this forum?
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Post by truecristian on May 4, 2020 3:53:47 GMT
HOOVERwas an inspirational young leader of America, he waS greatest leadership traits was his sense of integrity and his strong belief in his principles. Obviously he was willing to compromise; however, those around him could be confident his core principles would not change from day to day depending upon the circumstances around him or his perceived popularity at the time. Such leadership inspires the loyalty, dedication and confidence of those around you.
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Post by politicidal on May 4, 2020 13:27:59 GMT
That's a good one. QAnon has to be up there. Among intellectual circles, the Sokal affair is pretty ingenious.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 4, 2020 22:45:30 GMT
Hoover knew the Mafia in the40's and 50's were virtually untouchable. The Omerta was all powerful, no one could touch the Bosses. Hoover wouldn't risk a public campaign against organized crime, knowing he couldn't win. It took RICO and the risk of life without parole to break the Mafia, which still isn't completely eradicated. Commies and bankrobbers were easier targets.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 5, 2020 9:40:40 GMT
The American dream
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Post by amyghost on May 5, 2020 17:11:17 GMT
This wins the thread  .
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Post by sadsaak on May 8, 2020 13:03:55 GMT
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Post by llanwydd on May 9, 2020 5:00:31 GMT
Hoover knew the Mafia in the40's and 50's were virtually untouchable. The Omerta was all powerful, no one could touch the Bosses. Hoover wouldn't risk a public campaign against organized crime, knowing he couldn't win. It took RICO and the risk of life without parole to break the Mafia, which still isn't completely eradicated. Commies and bankrobbers were easier targets. It goes back further than that. Hoover had a chance to fight the mob way back in the twenties. Simply by denying its existence he allowed it to spread. As you said, by the 40s and 50s there was very little hope.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 9, 2020 5:29:13 GMT
Hoover knew the Mafia in the40's and 50's were virtually untouchable. The Omerta was all powerful, no one could touch the Bosses. Hoover wouldn't risk a public campaign against organized crime, knowing he couldn't win. It took RICO and the risk of life without parole to break the Mafia, which still isn't completely eradicated. Commies and bankrobbers were easier targets. It goes back further than that. Hoover had a chance to fight the mob way back in the twenties. Simply by denying its existence he allowed it to spread. As you said, by the 40s and 50s there was very little hope. The Mafia really didn't exist as a national entity in the 20's. Organized Crime did but it was local. The Five Families and Commission came into existence in 1931. Average Joe didn't hear of the Mafia. Not until Al Capone got headlines but he was still a Chicago issue. Thomas Dewey brought the New York mafia into the headlines but, again local. Another Organized Crime figure who got national headlines was Louis Buchalter, famed because Lepke got the Electric Chair. It wasn't until Estes Kefauver exposed the Mafia as a national concern in the 50's. By then, Hoover knew of the Mafia, enough to know it was a war he couldn't win. And he kept that attitude through Joe Valachi, Apalachin etc. He was convinced that Communism was a bigger threat.
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