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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 2:12:48 GMT
Each person has their own mask some will wear the same masks for their entire life. Some will wear several masks based on their needs Some masks resemble their facial features but some masks are totally different . Some masks are so ugly and obvious but some masks are well made and it's hard to tell if it's a mask or not. People always wear masks and see masks when they look at others even if they remove their masks, you can't be sure if you're seeing the real face underneath. There's a second mask underneath the first mask and a third mask is hidden underneath the second mask therefore, the other person may think of your mask as yourself and you also think of their masks as their own faces. The subject of love and hatred may be the masks under those masks people try to escape their loneliness and will create even more sophisticated masks.
Perhaps there's no way to ultimately express yourself. Perhaps we can only communicate or define ourselves through fixed means, and the people who consider themselves most free are ultimately trapped by other people's preconceptions.
Does the spirit of a person reach it's own certainty through constant negation?
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Post by Nora on May 9, 2020 2:41:06 GMT
I believe one can ultimately express themselves best through art.
But I also believe its possible to appear honestly as one is...
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 3:17:40 GMT
I've never found a better venue for self-expression than music. Not just the music you make, but the music you like. The songs that are so personal to you that you're almost afraid to let anyone else hear them.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2020 6:31:45 GMT
I believe one can ultimately express themselves best through art. But I also believe its possible to appear honestly as one is... The world is full of people who live the "do as I say not as I do" mantra. Even people who go to work everyday wear a different mask at work compared to home. Granted, I believe most masks are created for protection and acceptance but how many people do you think actually "appear honestly as one is"? People often say "this is how I am, what you see is what you get, I'm always the same no matter where I go or do" How many people are 100% honest with themselves on who they really are? If we can't be 100% honest on who we really are then are we actually living to our full potential and true selves or do we now become the people we think others want us to be?
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Post by Ass_E9 on May 9, 2020 15:59:46 GMT
I dunno. Those who consciously choose not to wear masks likely are free from the fear of what other people might think of them. As a result, some roads may be closed to them - socially, economically, etc. - but I do not see the resilient viewing that as a trap necessarily.
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Post by someguy on May 9, 2020 16:56:18 GMT
I believe one can ultimately express themselves best through art. But I also believe its possible to appear honestly as one is... The world is full of people who live the "do as I say not as I do" mantra. Even people who go to work everyday wear a different mask at work compared to home. Granted, I believe most masks are created for protection and acceptance but how many people do you think actually "appear honestly as one is"? People often say "this is how I am, what you see is what you get, I'm always the same no matter where I go or do" How many people are 100% honest with themselves on who they really are? If we can't be 100% honest on who we really are then are we actually living to our full potential and true selves or do we now become the people we think others want us to be? If you want to be 100% honest, then next time you masturbate, walk up to the person you fantasized about immediately after, and describe to them your fantasy in every detail.
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Post by Nora on May 9, 2020 17:52:34 GMT
I believe one can ultimately express themselves best through art. But I also believe its possible to appear honestly as one is... The world is full of people who live the "do as I say not as I do" mantra. Even people who go to work everyday wear a different mask at work compared to home. Granted, I believe most masks are created for protection and acceptance but how many people do you think actually "appear honestly as one is"? People often say "this is how I am, what you see is what you get, I'm always the same no matter where I go or do" How many people are 100% honest with themselves on who they really are? If we can't be 100% honest on who we really are then are we actually living to our full potential and true selves or do we now become the people we think others want us to be? Oh of COURSE! I (sadly) couldnt be myself at work for a long time, working as a lawyer. Thats just not possible. You need to have the lawyer mask on. That was a big reason of why I didnt like the job and eventually left it. Everybody in masks (including myself) almost all the time. I think its what drove me to doing stand up and writing more, the need to be able to be myself at work. yes, true. I think often it is not about "wanting to hide true self" as much as it is about simply not being self aware enough to recognize this is how we are perceived/how we act and if its not in line with how we see ourselves there is a problem Somewhere and more often then not its with us. Thats why I take each "label" (criticism) potentially to heart and consider it, even if I dont like it or feel like that is not me. So when poelzig repeatedly calls me - racist - bigoted - hateful - patological liar - unhinged - spoilt - self centered etc etc (I dont remember all the things he calls me) I think to myself: there is something I do that makes this person perceive me as that. Or he is crazy. Or combination of the two now I know I am fairly spoilt and self centered, so those were not new things to me (and I am working on bettering myself) but the other labels were. I still dont agree with those labels, but have considered what about my behavior would make someone perceive me that way (if they are not crazy). I think if people are willing to do that, then they are on a solid road to self discovery and being true to themselves and eventually not wearing masks where possible.
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Post by pennypacker on May 9, 2020 17:54:10 GMT
The real me is just tired. There’s nothing else.
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Post by moviemouth on May 9, 2020 20:29:57 GMT
I don't think I wear many masks. The way I act around other people is how I am and I know no other way to be.
I am extremely self-aware at all times. I know that what I say and think often bothers people. I just don't care if it bothers them.
I drive psychologists crazy.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on May 9, 2020 20:34:15 GMT
I think there is some truth in the Japanese saying
You have three faces. The first face, you show to the world. The second face, you show to your close friends, and your family. The third face, you never show anyone. It is the truest reflection of who you are.
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Post by Nora on May 9, 2020 20:38:02 GMT
I think there is some truth in the Japanese saying You have three faces. The first face, you show to the world. The second face, you show to your close friends, and your family. The third face, you never show anyone. It is the truest reflection of who you are. i like this a lot. it is similar to a guidance to actors: "A real seeming character is a composite of three layers of emotions/traits. The first layer is the one is what you want to show the audience . The second one is what you dont want to show. The third one is what you dont even know you have"
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Post by moviemouth on May 9, 2020 20:42:01 GMT
I think there is some truth in the Japanese saying You have three faces. The first face, you show to the world. The second face, you show to your close friends, and your family. The third face, you never show anyone. It is the truest reflection of who you are. I think that is true, but some are unavoidable. I don't think I am showing a different face in public, it is just that people don't interact with the public in a personal way because there usually is no reason to start talking about your deep thoughts with some random strangers or co-workers etc. They might also be ill-prepared to deal with it and you have to keep somethings to yourself for obvious reasons. My family does see the truest reflection of me in the closest possible way though. Obviously nobody can know what it is like to be you and the more idiosyncratic your POV and feelings are, the harder it will be for them to know how it feels to be you. I have told my mom and my brother almost everything that goes on in my head though and both have told me they don't want to hear it after a certain point, because it is too difficult for them to understand.
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Post by moviemouth on May 9, 2020 21:03:50 GMT
I believe one can ultimately express themselves best through art. But I also believe its possible to appear honestly as one is... The world is full of people who live the "do as I say not as I do" mantra. Even people who go to work everyday wear a different mask at work compared to home. Granted, I believe most masks are created for protection and acceptance but how many people do you think actually "appear honestly as one is"? People often say "this is how I am, what you see is what you get, I'm always the same no matter where I go or do" How many people are 100% honest with themselves on who they really are? If we can't be 100% honest on who we really are then are we actually living to our full potential and true selves or do we now become the people we think others want us to be? I believe I am 100% honest with who I am. My dark side, my good side, my hypocrisies, my fears, my weaknesses, my faults, my ignorance, my ego, my self-deceptions etc. What exactly do you mean by "appear as one is?" I don't act different at work then I do around my family in any significant way at least.
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Post by Nora on May 9, 2020 21:21:16 GMT
The world is full of people who live the "do as I say not as I do" mantra. Even people who go to work everyday wear a different mask at work compared to home. Granted, I believe most masks are created for protection and acceptance but how many people do you think actually "appear honestly as one is"? People often say "this is how I am, what you see is what you get, I'm always the same no matter where I go or do" How many people are 100% honest with themselves on who they really are? If we can't be 100% honest on who we really are then are we actually living to our full potential and true selves or do we now become the people we think others want us to be? I believe I am 100% honest with who I am. My dark side, my good side, my hypocrisies, my fears, my weaknesses, my faults, my ignorance, my ego, my self-deceptions etc. What exactly do you mean by "appear as one is?" I don't act different at work then I do around my family in any significant way at least. the first part in bold i have no problem believing. the question is, how well one actually knows themselves. may i ask what you do or what field you are in? Either way its great that you are able to be yourself at work, congratulations. And I take it your dark side is either not that dark or you dont do a job where its required that you are not showing your dark side?
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Post by moviemouth on May 9, 2020 21:38:19 GMT
I believe I am 100% honest with who I am. My dark side, my good side, my hypocrisies, my fears, my weaknesses, my faults, my ignorance, my ego, my self-deceptions etc. What exactly do you mean by "appear as one is?" I don't act different at work then I do around my family in any significant way at least. the first part in bold i have no problem believing. the question is, how well one actually knows themselves. may i ask what you do or what field you are in? Either way its great that you are able to be yourself at work, congratulations. And I take it your dark side is either not that dark or you dont do a job where its required that you are not showing your dark side? I actually find work one of the most relaxing things. It allows you to focus on the job at hand and distracts from the other stuff. I am not working at the moment for obvious reasons, but my last job was cleaning a bar after everybody is gone. My job before that however was cleaning a public building during the day and with co-workers. I liked all of them and I was able to express myself honestly with them, but there is usually no need to bring up your dark side for no reason. If someone asks me something I tell them though and the reason I quit is because my boss pissed me off and I let him know it. I threw my work phone on the ground really hard and told him to go fuck himself. I have to let people know when I am uncomfortable with certain duties due to the fact that I will act out violently if I become too uncomfortable, so they had to make certain exceptions for me based on the rules due to my mental disorder. I have Asperger's Syndrome (high-functioning autism). My dark side is very dark, but more in fantasy than actually having a desire to act on these things in reality. A way for me to take out my anger in a harmless way. There are things I have been on the verge of doing, but forethought of the consequences keeps me from going too far. How well can someone know that they know themselves? Someone would never be able to know for sure. I am saying that based on my experience and listening to the people close to me comment on my behavior that I am as close to knowing myself as I possibly can be. My problem is that I think too much about everything and I obsess about these things. I am an anxiety-ridden mess most of the time.
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Post by kls on May 9, 2020 22:27:16 GMT
I mean is it really fake like a mask to act differently at work than with family and friends? I certainly can't treat the students I teach in a correctional facility like sons, brothers or buddies.
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Post by Nora on May 9, 2020 23:19:45 GMT
the first part in bold i have no problem believing. the question is, how well one actually knows themselves. may i ask what you do or what field you are in? Either way its great that you are able to be yourself at work, congratulations. And I take it your dark side is either not that dark or you dont do a job where its required that you are not showing your dark side? I actually find work one of the most relaxing things. It allows you to focus on the job at hand and distracts from the other stuff. I am not working at the moment for obvious reasons, but my last job was cleaning a bar after everybody is gone. My job before that however was cleaning a public building during the day and with co-workers. I liked all of them and I was able to express myself honestly with them, but there is usually no need to bring up your dark side for no reason. If someone asks me something I tell them though and the reason I quit is because my boss pissed me off and I let him know it. I threw my work phone on the ground really hard and told him to go fuck himself. I have to let people know when I am uncomfortable with certain duties due to the fact that I will act out violently if I become too uncomfortable, so they had to make certain exceptions for me based on the rules due to my mental disorder. I have Asperger's Syndrome (high-functioning autism). My dark side is very dark, but more in fantasy than actually having a desire to act on these things in reality. A way for me to take out my anger in a harmless way. There are things I have been on the verge of doing, but forethought of the consequences keeps me from going too far. How well can someone know that they know themselves? Someone would never be able to know for sure. I am saying that based on my experience and listening to the people close to me comment on my behavior that I am as close to knowing myself as I possibly can be. My problem is that I think too much about everything and I obsess about these things. I am an anxiety-ridden mess most of the time. That makes a lot of sense now, having read this post, what you said before. Thanks for sharing. What did your boss do to piss you off?
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Post by moviemouth on May 10, 2020 0:03:48 GMT
I actually find work one of the most relaxing things. It allows you to focus on the job at hand and distracts from the other stuff. I am not working at the moment for obvious reasons, but my last job was cleaning a bar after everybody is gone. My job before that however was cleaning a public building during the day and with co-workers. I liked all of them and I was able to express myself honestly with them, but there is usually no need to bring up your dark side for no reason. If someone asks me something I tell them though and the reason I quit is because my boss pissed me off and I let him know it. I threw my work phone on the ground really hard and told him to go fuck himself. I have to let people know when I am uncomfortable with certain duties due to the fact that I will act out violently if I become too uncomfortable, so they had to make certain exceptions for me based on the rules due to my mental disorder. I have Asperger's Syndrome (high-functioning autism). My dark side is very dark, but more in fantasy than actually having a desire to act on these things in reality. A way for me to take out my anger in a harmless way. There are things I have been on the verge of doing, but forethought of the consequences keeps me from going too far. How well can someone know that they know themselves? Someone would never be able to know for sure. I am saying that based on my experience and listening to the people close to me comment on my behavior that I am as close to knowing myself as I possibly can be. My problem is that I think too much about everything and I obsess about these things. I am an anxiety-ridden mess most of the time. That makes a lot of sense now, having read this post, what you said before. Thanks for sharing. What did your boss do to piss you off? That might have been me overreacting do to a combination of stuff leading up to it. It would take too long to explain.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 7:42:49 GMT
Oh of COURSE! I (sadly) couldnt be myself at work for a long time, working as a lawyer. Thats just not possible. You need to have the lawyer mask on. That was a big reason of why I didnt like the job and eventually left it. Everybody in masks (including myself) almost all the time. I think its what drove me to doing stand up and writing more, the need to be able to be myself at work. yes, true. I think often it is not about "wanting to hide true self" as much as it is about simply not being self aware enough to recognize this is how we are perceived/how we act and if its not in line with how we see ourselves there is a problem Somewhere and more often then not its with us. Thats why I take each "label" (criticism) potentially to heart and consider it, even if I dont like it or feel like that is not me. So when poelzig repeatedly calls me - racist - bigoted - hateful - patological liar - unhinged - spoilt - self centered etc etc (I dont remember all the things he calls me) I think to myself: there is something I do that makes this person perceive me as that. Or he is crazy. Or combination of the two now I know I am fairly spoilt and self centered, so those were not new things to me (and I am working on bettering myself) but the other labels were. I still dont agree with those labels, but have considered what about my behavior would make someone perceive me that way (if they are not crazy). I think if people are willing to do that, then they are on a solid road to self discovery and being true to themselves and eventually not wearing masks where possible. Do you think it's more out of fear or acceptance or necessity that people hide their true selves? Fear and acceptance often go hand in hand. If being accepted is important to you then you'd constantly be fearful and wearing whatever mask it takes to be accepted. It's also emotionally and mentally draining trying to be what others want you to be or trying to please others. Do you think wearing a mask can be a good thing by "forcing" you to change into somebody you aspire to be? If you're a negative person but need to be positive at say your job, do you think you can change or does wearing that mask everyday take it's toll on you and actually make your negativity worse? I think most all our future behaviors are based on our past behaviors. I don't mean every behavior, just the ones that we repeat. I personally think it takes a very strong person to change. Online personas are very hard to gauge. People can be whatever they want on internet so I wouldn't worry too much about what somebody thinks of you. I joke around a lot and have a very dry sense of humor. Even people who have known me for years and years don't always know if I'm joking or not. (hint-most of the time I am). People meeting me for the first time often don't always pick up on that. Online it's very difficult to get it. Sometimes all it takes is one statement and people will automatically put you in a box and not matter what you do you can't change their opinion. That's on them not you. For whatever reason human nature seems to gravitate towards the negative more than the positive. What is it about peace that its inspiration isn't lasting? Why is its story so hard to tell? I agree it's always good to look at yourself and change the things we don't like about ourselves, not so much on what others think we should be. Sometimes that can be a good thing but other times we spend too much energy trying to please everybody.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2020 8:01:37 GMT
I believe I am 100% honest with who I am. My dark side, my good side, my hypocrisies, my fears, my weaknesses, my faults, my ignorance, my ego, my self-deceptions etc. What exactly do you mean by "appear as one is?" I don't act different at work then I do around my family in any significant way at least. I think that's awesome that you can be 100% honest with yourself. A lot of us aren't always able to do that. A lot of us fool ourselves into thinking we'll do things differently but things never actually change. For instance, I say I'm going to work out more so I buy a treadmill or a gym membership then I never use it. I was quoting Nora, but to me it means showing people exactly who you are at all times. Whether it be family, work, church, school, Best Buy, job interview, a park etc...
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