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Post by shannondegroot on May 14, 2020 1:09:19 GMT
Silas Barnaby
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Post by millar70 on May 14, 2020 1:35:14 GMT
Noah Cross, and it's not even close. The guy banged his daughter and was looking to do the same with the child he sired by banging his daughter.
Nurse Ratched was pretty despicable, but nothing like that.
What is wrong with you people?
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Post by millar70 on May 14, 2020 1:59:19 GMT
Noah Cross, and it's not even close. The guy banged his daughter and was looking to do the same with the child he sired by banging his daughter. Nurse Ratched was pretty despicable, but nothing like that. What is wrong with you people? Maybe Cross should have banged Ratched. She'd soon freeze his dork off and that would have been a blessing. See, I think Nurse Ratched was probably a fireball in the bedroom. All that pent up anger and hostility.....
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Post by fangirl1975 on May 14, 2020 2:00:18 GMT
Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown Chris Hargensen in Carrie
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Post by pennypacker on May 14, 2020 2:11:49 GMT
Cruella de Vil.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 14, 2020 4:50:35 GMT
Maybe Cross should have banged Ratched. She'd soon freeze his dork off and that would have been a blessing. See, I think Nurse Ratched was probably a fireball in the bedroom. All that pent up anger and hostility..... MacMurphy felt the same way; in the book, he rips her blouse, exposing her big udders and then it is implied that he rapes her. She deserved to be raped. What she did to the men was just as bad as rape, only far more subtle. As far as Noah Cross getting fewer votes than Ratched, I don't know. Maybe it's the look of triumph on Ratched's face after Billy has been reduced to a pitiful mess that instills such hatred in people. And then no remorse after Billy's suicide it's business as usual for old Hatchet job. I also think that people (at least me, but I think others, too) despise Ratched knew she could hide behind "all the protocol in the world" and her own sense of righteousness really sent me over the edge. Also, I think the Ratched type of female person is more instantly recognizable to people than the Noah Cross type of male person, who was much more a flamboyant conceit. I might say the detestable Cross is likely more evil than any other character on the list. (And I also noted how deeply creepy it was at the end if "Chinatown" when I realized that NC likely couldn't wait to get his young daughter/granddaughter at home and into his bed. Brrrr...) But I don't think evil is the same thing as despicable or hateful. You might say that Minnie and Roman were "evil" (as they worshipped Satan), but I loved them to pieces. And the adult Damien Thorn ("The Final Conflict") is actually kind of likable. Like another poster said about having a visceral reaction, and Nurse Ratched is the only character that had me shaking with anger. When the Jack Nicholson character tries to choke her, I was out of my seat, literally cheering him on. I despise this person with every fiber of my being. Louise Fletcher was stunning in the role.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 14, 2020 4:59:08 GMT
I don't see things this way. I think many, if not most, villains aren't truly despicable. Their crimes may be despicable, but most villains have a human side that can make them a bit likable. That was the criteria that I used to come up with my list. None of them were even a bit likable. I've only seen five of your own villain choices. I would say that out of those five, Patrick Bateman and John Doe were despicable. But I thought there was a decent bit of moral ambivalence in the Michael Corleone character (at least in the first one), and Al Pacino was very easy to like back in the 1970s. And I think Akex Delarge is very charismatic and I don't dislike him by any means. Finally, Baby Jane Hudson was actually a tragic character. If you consider the twist ending, it is revealed that it is actually her sister, Blanche, who is the despicable one. At least I felt that way. She laid the ultimate guilt trip on her sister, and it was because of Blanche's vindictiveness that two lives were ruined. I find Jane to be highly sympathetic, though I may be in the minority on this one. Also, neither Christian Bale nor Kevin Spacey are warm actors to begin with.Someone like Hargensen, would have sold out her own mother for a piece of the pie that she wanted. She knew she could use men more to get the things she wanted. I'm pleased she is leading second place to Ratched.
Baby Jane Hudson, I always saw as a sad tragic character, even the first time I saw it and didn't know the twist at the end. The success she had as a kid, that eluded her as an adult in the then shadow of her more famous sister, was in a sense heartbreaking to watch. It destroyed her and turned her into the cruel banshee that she became, with her mockery and ridicule of Blanche. I feel both sad and scared for Jane, when she was wanting to revive a successful career that that she never really had in the first place, only as a child and that was due to adult exploitation. Her delusion had destroyed her and there was no turning back from her own insanity. Davis was a revelation in this film. She made cheese and corn very tasty.
I am not a big fan of Bale. Spacey I prefer, but they both seem to operate on that actory showcase plane of wanting to make an impression, rather than being an impression. There is a lot of arrogance that gets projected from these guys.
Alex DeLarge and Colt Hawker from Visiting Hours, I find both incredibly sexually appealing and both incredibly disturbing and frightening. They have the sympathy factor downpat, underscoring their psychotic ways. Me, too. I wonder if, back in 1976, the audience cheered Miss Collins on when she delivered that slap down?! I think Colt and Alex are both highly sexual males. I am more attracted to Colt personally. Though I don't think I would have let him know that! Malcolm's sexual confidence as Alex is off the charts.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 14, 2020 14:41:49 GMT
dirtypillows, would you say Warren in 10 To Midnight is sympathetic. I don't recall any background on him in the movie. As he was presented, he just appeared to be a creepy cold-blooded, narcissist psychopathic killer who preyed on women due to some psychological disturbance. He tried to use his looks, but never exuded any charm, even when he tried to hit on girls, they rejected him. Douglas Breen in The Fan appears more sympathetic, but his characterization as written was confused, as was Douglas himself. The film skirted around too much and we the audience were supposed to believe he was a red-blooded hetero male, with a insatiable desire for an old bat star who had no sex appeal herself, who couldn't sing, nor dance very well. I didn't find Warren that sympathetic, but I didn't find him despicable, either. I enjoy the movie well enough, but it wasn't fleshed out enough for me to have any strong feelings. The most I noticed about Warren is how cute he was and how much the actor sounded like his brother. I actually did not like Douglas Breen at all. I thought he was smug and pompous acting, however he insecure he actually was. The movie could have taken a different approach to this character whereas some insight might have made him more appealing. He wasn't even believable to me, whereas Colt actually was fairly believable and relatively sympathetic. But they should have named the fan Douglas Preen. Taken out of context, Michael Biehn is pretty good-looking.
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Post by someguy on May 14, 2020 14:45:12 GMT
Of those, Danny Glover in The Color Purple.
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 14, 2020 17:29:47 GMT
The worst crimes in society are generally considered harm towards children (pedophiles are frequently beat up in prison), so any of the following:
Freddy Krueger Penguin in Batman Returns Pennywise
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 14, 2020 18:08:44 GMT
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Post by dirtypillows on May 15, 2020 7:39:44 GMT
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on May 15, 2020 17:04:06 GMT
Heuristically Programmed ALgorithmic Computer 9000
One of the greatest casting moves was Douglas Rain as the voice of HAL 9000. That voice gives you the creeps in the beginning, even though it shouldn't. My favorite movie villain. Like Nurse Ratched, HAL thought he was doing good (saving the mission) and, like Hannibal Lecter, he didn't know how crazy he is.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 15, 2020 21:24:03 GMT
Richard Widmark from MOTOE is the only one who hasn't received a vote. He played a baby killer who made mortal enemies of 12 different people.
Maybe because his dastardly deed took place off screen his character is not seen as all that despicable. Or that not all that many people have seen the movie (or don't remember it) Or maybe because I got the last name wrong and confused people.
Or maybe because his hatefulness did not come through.
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Post by dirtypillows on May 16, 2020 2:38:46 GMT
#4 - Joan Crawford - She was super manipulative and did it with such sarcastic glee. She was cold and monstrous. Adopted daughter Christina said that the character, Eva, was exactly like her own mother. The movie, "Queen Bee", is in itself a lot of fun. #3 - Meryl Streep - Just a cold bitch. Maybe she's not exactly "evil" the way some of the other characters on this list, but I'm going on how I personally respond to these nasty characters. And I imagine I'll get some flak for this, but I think Streep was motivated by some feminist agenda and that rubs me the wrong way. #2 - John Huston - Noah Cross, oh Lord. Truly vile. He raped his daughter and then tossed her aside because he considered her damaged goods. And that's just the beginning. He was a deeply scary person. And frankly, I found Huston himself physically repulsive. And you could tell he probably had horrible bad breath. Susan Tyrell, who was directed by Huston two years earlier in "Fat City" (good movie), said that Huston was a "bastard". And Miss Tyrell struck me as not having a dishonest or inauthentic bone in her body.
#1 - Louise Fletcher "Cold" is personally my vote for least favorite personality trait and NR is cold as ice. She will not let herself to actually become a human being because it's Protocol First with this mean bitch, the lives of her patients be damned. Put another way, Nurse Ratched is the ONLY movie character who elicited violent fantasies in me and my only disappointment in the movie is that she didn't get the same treatment at the hands of my hero, Randall Patrick MacMurphy, as her novelistic counterpart. I wanted to see her eyes pop out of her head in real time. Tyrrell was truly a genuine, original,and unique one of a kind. She was like the bird finger f<>k you to life and didn't seem to care what others thought. She came across as a very honest and while wacky, what one saw, is what one got. More importantly, she came across wrapped with warm and authentic appeal. Yes, I think Susan seemed like she would have been a very warm person, though possibly she might have been guarded as well as she might have been someone who could have gotten hurt easily. I read that Susan's mother said to her daughter: "Susu, your life is a celebration of everything that is cheap and tawdry." That's pretty cool in it's own way.
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Post by twothousandonemark on May 16, 2020 4:43:53 GMT
Easily.
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