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Post by Nora on Jun 18, 2020 22:08:02 GMT
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Post by clusium on Jun 19, 2020 0:32:17 GMT
I tried filling out the application, but, it says you need to post a video.
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Post by Nora on Jun 19, 2020 0:56:30 GMT
I tried filling out the application, but, it says you need to post a video. yes that is true. but just a video of yourself talking about your idea/project. 30 seconds or so. take it on your phone and post it. good luck.
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Post by clusium on Jun 19, 2020 4:51:39 GMT
I tried filling out the application, but, it says you need to post a video. yes that is true. but just a video of yourself talking about your idea/project. 30 seconds or so. take it on your phone and post it. good luck. Sorry, I'm not that tech savvy. Oh well.
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jun 19, 2020 11:37:43 GMT
Interesting. If one of the next 3 "genres" is "abstract Tarkovsky-esque mood piece, with little to no discernible narrative" I might consider it.
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Post by Stammerhead on Jun 19, 2020 11:51:34 GMT
I wonder if I can turn my little Plotagon videos into major cinematic events.
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Post by Nora on Jun 19, 2020 14:27:11 GMT
I wonder if I can turn my little Plotagon videos into major cinematic events. well if ever, now is your chance
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Post by Nora on Jun 19, 2020 14:29:43 GMT
yes that is true. but just a video of yourself talking about your idea/project. 30 seconds or so. take it on your phone and post it. good luck. Sorry, I'm not that tech savvy. Oh well. wait dont give up yet . Whats the problem, 1. no smart phone 2. not sure how to record video 3. not sure how to get the video from phone to computer 4. not sure how to get the video to the application. I am happy to and can help with all but nr 1.
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Post by clusium on Jun 19, 2020 19:04:22 GMT
Sorry, I'm not that tech savvy. Oh well. wait dont give up yet . Whats the problem, 1. no smart phone 2. not sure how to record video 3. not sure how to get the video from phone to computer 4. not sure how to get the video to the application. I am happy to and can help with all but nr 1. No video.
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Post by Nora on Jun 19, 2020 21:09:09 GMT
Chalice_Of_Evil and Pep Streebeck I know you are both talented creatives, hope you will be applying too. All it needs is ideas and SOME sample of writing and a 30 seconds video of yourself talking about your idea. Best of luck.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 21:45:44 GMT
Big pass but thank you.
About the worst thing you can do with a creative work is sign ownership away. If you write something that gets big and becomes a sensation, well, you're out of luck. They can continue it however they please and you won't get a dime on any future tie-ins, merchandising, let alone the further creation of your concept.
This sort of thing is a rookie trap where they are far more likely to benefit than you are. You should never sign away your creative works for a pittance. Make something, get a lawyer, and then submit it if the terms are beneficial to you.
70 grand or so sounds great until you realize they stand to make millions and millions off your idea that you can never reclaim.
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Post by Nora on Jun 19, 2020 23:41:40 GMT
Big pass but thank you. About the worst thing you can do with a creative work is sign ownership away. If you write something that gets big and becomes a sensation, well, you're out of luck. They can continue it however they please and you won't get a dime on any future tie-ins, merchandising, let alone the further creation of your concept. This sort of thing is a rookie trap where they are far more likely to benefit than you are. You should never sign away your creative works for a pittance. Make something, get a lawyer, and then submit it if the terms are beneficial to you. 70 grand or so sounds great until you realize they stand to make millions and millions off your idea that you can never reclaim. you are not “signing it away”, you are selling your idea and writing.Which is how screenwriting usually works, unless you are also producing directing or creating or are big. if your movie gets made (with big budget as this indicates) by Netflix that is an Unreal success and your name is pretty much established to the point it opens doors. Do you think you can Negotiate with Netflix?? Or any big studio? No. You cant really redline their contracts if you are new to the business or not well established as a money or award maker. Yoi cant even get foot in the door. Netflix doesnt do cold submissions, Amazon also stopped it, no big studio does it, so even if you have the Best idea, how will you get it to them? You have to have agents. Good luck (and I mean it honestly) finding those that can get you what you want. I have agents, and have been negotiating my project with Netflix for a year now, not the contract itself thats pretty much given, but the project. First they say they like it this way, then they want me to change this/that, then they go back, then change again. Its a long process and its not just writing but also directing. As a writer only to sell your script AND own any kind of decision making power is very hard. Your best bet is to be the show runner/creator and do something like the Duffer brothers. But google what they did before and how Stranger things came about. Also, and mind you I just skimmed the contract but I think that by entering the contest you are not signing anything away you are just saying you own the work and are interested in developing it for Netflix. IF you win the contest, you Then sign a separate agreement with Netflix. You can try negotiate there. And what would you want more? Having your script made as a Netflix original (you KNOW those are all decent to great) or have it not made at all? Regardless of how much Netflix makes vs you, you cant really compare, because they carry All the financial risk that is thousand fold. So its a trade off. They bet on you, and if they succeed they make money, yes. But if your work is great they will want more from you (the industry). Now if you are saying “becoming a writing producer instead” thats different yes then u have more power. But do u have the funds to put it in??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 23:47:08 GMT
Big pass but thank you. About the worst thing you can do with a creative work is sign ownership away. If you write something that gets big and becomes a sensation, well, you're out of luck. They can continue it however they please and you won't get a dime on any future tie-ins, merchandising, let alone the further creation of your concept. This sort of thing is a rookie trap where they are far more likely to benefit than you are. You should never sign away your creative works for a pittance. Make something, get a lawyer, and then submit it if the terms are beneficial to you. 70 grand or so sounds great until you realize they stand to make millions and millions off your idea that you can never reclaim. you are not “signing it away”, you are selling your idea and writing.Which is how screenwriting usually works, unless you are also producing directing or creating or are big. if your movie gets made (with big budget as this indicates) by Netflix that is an Unreal success and your name is pretty much established to the point it opens doors. Do you think you can Negotiate with Netflix?? Or any big studio? No. You cant really redline their contracts if you are new to the business or not well established as a money or award maker. Yoi cant even get foot in the door. Netflix doesnt do cold submissions, Amazon also stopped it, no big studio does it, so even if you have the Best idea, how will you get it to them? You have to have agents. Good luck (and I mean it honestly) finding those that can get you what you want. I have agents, and have been negotiating my project with Netflix for a year now, not the contract itself thats pretty much given, but the project. First they say they like it this way, then they want me to change this/that, then they go back, then change again. Its a long process and its not just writing but also directing. As a writer to sell your script AND own any kind of decision making power is very hard. Your best bet is to be the show runner/creator and do something like the Duffy brothers. But google what they did before and how Stranger things came about. Also, and mind you I just skimmed the contract but I think that by entering the contest you are not signing anything away you are just saying you own the work and are interested in developing it for Netflix. IF you win the contest, you Then sign a separate agreement with Netflix. You can try negotiate there. And what would you want more? Having your script made as a Netflix original (you KNOW those are all decent to great) or have it not made at all? Regardless of how much Netflix makes vs you, you cant really compare, because they carry All the financial risk that is thousand fold. So its a trade off. They bet on you, and if they succeed they make money, yes. But if your work is great they will want more from you (the industry). No, I read the fine print. They own your ideas in totality. That's a sucker's game. End of story. If you want to do creative work for name recognition, all fine and good, provided you're willing to take a wash financially. Just don't give them your A material.
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Post by Nora on Jun 19, 2020 23:51:19 GMT
you are not “signing it away”, you are selling your idea and writing.Which is how screenwriting usually works, unless you are also producing directing or creating or are big. if your movie gets made (with big budget as this indicates) by Netflix that is an Unreal success and your name is pretty much established to the point it opens doors. Do you think you can Negotiate with Netflix?? Or any big studio? No. You cant really redline their contracts if you are new to the business or not well established as a money or award maker. Yoi cant even get foot in the door. Netflix doesnt do cold submissions, Amazon also stopped it, no big studio does it, so even if you have the Best idea, how will you get it to them? You have to have agents. Good luck (and I mean it honestly) finding those that can get you what you want. I have agents, and have been negotiating my project with Netflix for a year now, not the contract itself thats pretty much given, but the project. First they say they like it this way, then they want me to change this/that, then they go back, then change again. Its a long process and its not just writing but also directing. As a writer to sell your script AND own any kind of decision making power is very hard. Your best bet is to be the show runner/creator and do something like the Duffy brothers. But google what they did before and how Stranger things came about. Also, and mind you I just skimmed the contract but I think that by entering the contest you are not signing anything away you are just saying you own the work and are interested in developing it for Netflix. IF you win the contest, you Then sign a separate agreement with Netflix. You can try negotiate there. And what would you want more? Having your script made as a Netflix original (you KNOW those are all decent to great) or have it not made at all? Regardless of how much Netflix makes vs you, you cant really compare, because they carry All the financial risk that is thousand fold. So its a trade off. They bet on you, and if they succeed they make money, yes. But if your work is great they will want more from you (the industry). No, I read the fine print. They own your ideas in totality. That's a sucker's game. End of story. If you want to do creative work for name recognition, all fine and good, provided you're willing to take a wash financially. Just don't give them your A material. who owns your ideas? Even if you dont win or only if you win? If the 3rd party owns your ideas even if u dont win than that sucks yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2020 23:57:59 GMT
No, I read the fine print. They own your ideas in totality. That's a sucker's game. End of story. If you want to do creative work for name recognition, all fine and good, provided you're willing to take a wash financially. Just don't give them your A material. who owns your ideas? Even if you dont win or only if you win? If the 3rd party owns your ideas even if u dont win than that sucks yes. Netflix does. This is a cheeky rider here: So basically, they could take your idea and run with it if you've not copyrighted it. Even if they do not pay you for it.
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Post by Nora on Jun 20, 2020 0:03:59 GMT
who owns your ideas? Even if you dont win or only if you win? If the 3rd party owns your ideas even if u dont win than that sucks yes. Netflix does. This is a cheeky rider here: So basically, they could take your idea and run with it if you've not copyrighted it. Even if they do not pay you for it. no, that is not what that means. if you create something you have protection under copyright law automatically. Its best to have it registered also (so you could sue for copyright infringement) but the copyright is valid from creation automatically, provided you created it yourself and its unique and tangible (somehow defined and not just in your head). they are saying: if you didnt create it, or its free domain, or its not otherwise under copyright laws of the US (now we could debate outside of US copyright laws but there are treaties that solve that problem, plus also the best you cand o with you idea is to get it registered with the office of copyright. its cheap and easy), simply if you dont have a legal right to call it yours, for example free domain works, or works that are not unique, then yeah, they can use it. The rest of that paragraph says that just because you submitted something to them and they turn you down and later publish something similar, it doesnt mean they ripped you off, it can simply mean that someone else was already developing it, had it registered, worked with them before or better. there is a questionable part of one sentence later, but the thing you posted does not mean what you think it means. Anyway, go ahead and register your work here if you have something, and if you have more things do it under the group application, its cheaper: www.copyright.gov
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 0:10:42 GMT
Netflix does. This is a cheeky rider here: So basically, they could take your idea and run with it if you've not copyrighted it. Even if they do not pay you for it. no, that is not what that means. if you create something you have protection under copyright law automatically. Its best to have it registered also (so you could sue) but the copyrithg is valid from creation automatically, provided you created it yourself and its unique. they are saying: if you didnt create it, or its not otherwise under copyright laws of the US (now we could debate outside of US copyright laws but there are treaties that solve that problem, plus also the best you cand o with you idea is to get it registered with the office of copyright. its cheap and easy), simply if you dont have a legal right to call it yours, for example free domain works, or works that are not unique, then yeah, they can use it. The rest of that paragraphs says that just because you submitted something to them and they turn you down and later publish something similar, it doesnt mean they ripped you off, it can simply mean that someone else was already developing it, had it registered, worked with them before or better. there is a questionable part of one sentence later, but the thing you posted does not mean what you think it means. Anyway, go ahead and register your work here if you have something. If you have more things do it under the group application, its cheaper. www.copyright.gov That's not the way the law would interpret it. Like I said, cheeky stuff. By all means, though, go for it. Just watch your ass. Creative contests by industry giants tend to squash the little ones. Best to be wary.
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Post by Nora on Jun 20, 2020 0:13:07 GMT
no, that is not what that means. if you create something you have protection under copyright law automatically. Its best to have it registered also (so you could sue) but the copyrithg is valid from creation automatically, provided you created it yourself and its unique. they are saying: if you didnt create it, or its not otherwise under copyright laws of the US (now we could debate outside of US copyright laws but there are treaties that solve that problem, plus also the best you cand o with you idea is to get it registered with the office of copyright. its cheap and easy), simply if you dont have a legal right to call it yours, for example free domain works, or works that are not unique, then yeah, they can use it. The rest of that paragraphs says that just because you submitted something to them and they turn you down and later publish something similar, it doesnt mean they ripped you off, it can simply mean that someone else was already developing it, had it registered, worked with them before or better. there is a questionable part of one sentence later, but the thing you posted does not mean what you think it means. Anyway, go ahead and register your work here if you have something. If you have more things do it under the group application, its cheaper. www.copyright.gov That's not the way the law would interpret it. Like I said, cheeky stuff. By all means, though, go for it. Just watch your ass. Creative contests by industry giants tend to squash the little ones. Best to be wary. I am a licensed lawyer. And I am a writer who has sold their stuff. Come on. yes the law would interpret it that what, thats clearly what it means. it doesnt mean you would win at court, mainly if you dont have the stuff registered then yeah, tough luck. Also dozens of people could autonomously of you create pretty much the same story. It happens ALL the time, so thats something that can make some people thinkg someone stole their idea. When in reality it could have also been that 20 other people submitted the same thing and they picked someone else because it was better/cheaper/their wife… Then no theft occurred but to you it Could feel that way. I am not saying copyright theft does not exist, absolutely it does. But this is not saying "give us your ideas and we can use it even if you dont win any way we like it". Now SOME third parties do that and that sucks and is horrible, but what you quoted is not an example of that. Out of curiosity, so what do you do with your A game stuff?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 0:22:11 GMT
That's not the way the law would interpret it. Like I said, cheeky stuff. By all means, though, go for it. Just watch your ass. Creative contests by industry giants tend to squash the little ones. Best to be wary. I am a licensed lawyer. And I am a writer who has sold their stuff. Come on. yes the law would interpret it that what, thats clearly what it means. it doesnt mean you would win at court, mainly if you dont have the stuff registered then yeah, tough luck. Also dozens of people could autonomously of you create pretty much the same story. It happens ALL the time. I am not saying copyright theft does not exist, absolutely it does. But this is not saying "give us your ideas and we can use it even if you dont win any way we like it". Now SOME third parties do that and that sucks and is horrible, but what you quoted is not an example of that. Out of curiosity, so what do you do with your A game stuff? You know, Nora, I'll take your word for it. I was never much for legalese. I can simply smell the crowd of a three-card monty table when I sniff and this one stinks. What do I do with my A game stuff? I bury it in the backyard or stuff it into damp cardboard boxes. Nobody will see it. Nobody will read it. Nobody will cut their precious, delicate fingers on the papers' edge. Nobody will ever experience those tomes of insanity. That will be my one great gift to man. Silence.
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Post by Nora on Jun 20, 2020 0:41:01 GMT
I am a licensed lawyer. And I am a writer who has sold their stuff. Come on. yes the law would interpret it that what, thats clearly what it means. it doesnt mean you would win at court, mainly if you dont have the stuff registered then yeah, tough luck. Also dozens of people could autonomously of you create pretty much the same story. It happens ALL the time. I am not saying copyright theft does not exist, absolutely it does. But this is not saying "give us your ideas and we can use it even if you dont win any way we like it". Now SOME third parties do that and that sucks and is horrible, but what you quoted is not an example of that. Out of curiosity, so what do you do with your A game stuff? You know, Nora, I'll take your word for it. I was never much for legalese. I can simply smell the crowd of a three-card monty table when I sniff and this one stinks. What do I do with my A game stuff? I bury it in the backyard or stuff it into damp cardboard boxes. Nobody will see it. Nobody will read it. Nobody will cut their precious, delicate fingers on the papers' edge. Nobody will ever experience those tomes of insanity. That will be my one great gift to man. Silence. well thats too bad, I bet there would be some quite interesting stuff. Btw thanks for this debate, it reminded me I have one work unregistered and prompted me to rectify it. If you ever want to do it, its a highly satisfying process, you get a really nice certificate at the end. ;} btw I used to feel like you did, and was afraid to submit or pursue it because of it. One of my mentors, who is an executive buyer for a tv network told me "if you are afraid people will steal it and you only have that One great idea, you are not gonna make it in this business anyway". He was right. Yes it would suck Endlessly to have my work stolen, but I know I have multiple ideas and several scripts and stories I can pursue. I mean right now there is 5 full feature scripts on my computer, 3 series, 2 non fiction scripts, 400 page novel, 80 page novella, and countless short stories, most from different worlds and with different characters. If someone steals my work, I will write new work. The fear will not stop me from pursuing it. Smartly, meaning having agents you trust (is that an oxymoron?) and registering everything you write. The rest is pretty much up to chance/universe/god/fate. I did hear horrific stories of theft, some from accomplished directors who by all standards "made it" BUT you know what? They all continue to work. They may have a grudge and be bitter about some of it, but they moved along and wrote another scripts/directed another movie.
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