Post by Feologild Oakes on Jun 22, 2020 12:05:33 GMT
Avengers: Endgame writer confirms Thor and Captain America error
Avengers: Endgame gave Marvel fans all the moments they've been waiting to see, especially when it came to Captain America lifting Thor's hammer.
In something that's been teased since Avengers: Age of Ultron, Cap finally lifts Mjölnir and wields it to take on Thanos. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is a bit confusing when Cap also uses it to summon lightning.
After all, in Thor: Ragnarok when Mjölnir is destroyed, Thor is still able to summon lightning because, as Odin explains, it was never the hammer, it was Thor himself that was summoning it.
If you're hoping that Avengers: Endgame co-writer Christopher Markus can explain it though, you'll be disappointed as he's recently admitted that it's an error.
The crowdpleasing moment was discussed by the creators of Endgame in Slash Film's excellent oral history of the epic final battle, with Markus bringing up the lightning moment.
"There was certainly a debate at one point because particularly in Ragnarok, it establishes that Thor can summon the lightning without the hammer. I think Odin even says, 'It was never the hammer'," Markus recalled.
"And yet Cap summons the lightning with the hammer. You get to those things and you're like, 'It's too awesome not to do it! We'll talk about it later'."
And really, who's to argue with that logic?
Certainly not Chris Evans himself who was "psyched" that Cap was finally getting to lift Mjölnir – and not the fans either, who were probably too busy cheering at that moment to realise the slight continuity error.
An explanation to this error can actually be found in the very first Thor movie when Thor is banished from Asgard.
Before he throws it through the Bifrost after Thor, Odin says to the hammer, "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". So it could be that instant lightning is one of Thor's powers, so it's one of Cap's powers when he holds Mjölnir.
It also turns out that the lightning could have been there from when Cap first summons Mjölnir, as visual effects supervisor Matt Aitken explained:
"The one that ended up in the film, thee's no lightning on Mjölnir, but we did a little bit of lightning and then a bit more lightning as well, and we presented them to the filmmakers and they were editorially able to play around with which one they went with."
Perhaps the best decision for that moment is one that you won't have known about.
Composer Alan Silvestri revealed that since they knew that Cap, even with Mjölnir, was going to lose that part of the fight against Thanos, they held off using the full Avengers theme.
Instead, they decided to use it on the portals moment when Cap gets to say "Avengers... assemble" for the first time.
"The thing that Joe and Anthony [Russo] struggled with, and I think did a magnificent job of solving, was how high do we let the audience get knowing that we're really going to pull the rug out?," he explained.
"It was very tempting to give it all away [by using the full Avengers theme at that moment], but what we knew was, we're about to destroy Cap little by little, and we want everybody to be right there, that this is hopeless because the real moment is the reuniting of all of the Marvel universe to help him."
www.digitalspy.com/movies/a32902532/avengers-endgame-thor-mjolnir-lightning-mistake/
Avengers: Endgame gave Marvel fans all the moments they've been waiting to see, especially when it came to Captain America lifting Thor's hammer.
In something that's been teased since Avengers: Age of Ultron, Cap finally lifts Mjölnir and wields it to take on Thanos. There's nothing wrong with that, but it is a bit confusing when Cap also uses it to summon lightning.
After all, in Thor: Ragnarok when Mjölnir is destroyed, Thor is still able to summon lightning because, as Odin explains, it was never the hammer, it was Thor himself that was summoning it.
If you're hoping that Avengers: Endgame co-writer Christopher Markus can explain it though, you'll be disappointed as he's recently admitted that it's an error.
The crowdpleasing moment was discussed by the creators of Endgame in Slash Film's excellent oral history of the epic final battle, with Markus bringing up the lightning moment.
"There was certainly a debate at one point because particularly in Ragnarok, it establishes that Thor can summon the lightning without the hammer. I think Odin even says, 'It was never the hammer'," Markus recalled.
"And yet Cap summons the lightning with the hammer. You get to those things and you're like, 'It's too awesome not to do it! We'll talk about it later'."
And really, who's to argue with that logic?
Certainly not Chris Evans himself who was "psyched" that Cap was finally getting to lift Mjölnir – and not the fans either, who were probably too busy cheering at that moment to realise the slight continuity error.
An explanation to this error can actually be found in the very first Thor movie when Thor is banished from Asgard.
Before he throws it through the Bifrost after Thor, Odin says to the hammer, "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor". So it could be that instant lightning is one of Thor's powers, so it's one of Cap's powers when he holds Mjölnir.
It also turns out that the lightning could have been there from when Cap first summons Mjölnir, as visual effects supervisor Matt Aitken explained:
"The one that ended up in the film, thee's no lightning on Mjölnir, but we did a little bit of lightning and then a bit more lightning as well, and we presented them to the filmmakers and they were editorially able to play around with which one they went with."
Perhaps the best decision for that moment is one that you won't have known about.
Composer Alan Silvestri revealed that since they knew that Cap, even with Mjölnir, was going to lose that part of the fight against Thanos, they held off using the full Avengers theme.
Instead, they decided to use it on the portals moment when Cap gets to say "Avengers... assemble" for the first time.
"The thing that Joe and Anthony [Russo] struggled with, and I think did a magnificent job of solving, was how high do we let the audience get knowing that we're really going to pull the rug out?," he explained.
"It was very tempting to give it all away [by using the full Avengers theme at that moment], but what we knew was, we're about to destroy Cap little by little, and we want everybody to be right there, that this is hopeless because the real moment is the reuniting of all of the Marvel universe to help him."
www.digitalspy.com/movies/a32902532/avengers-endgame-thor-mjolnir-lightning-mistake/
