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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 10, 2020 22:24:15 GMT
(who were also great)
Those who would not compromise their art for any reason.. The first one that comes to mind is John Cassavetes. His first movie "Shadows" was very independent, outside of the studio system, but because many in the film business thought it was a new kind of cinema, a studio hired him to do "Too Late Blues" (best movie on the music business) and "A Child Is Waiting", where he was able to have two stars (Burt Lancaster and Judy Garland), but also had the movie cut by Stanley Kramer behind his back, and was actually fired while Kramer was at Cassavetes' home during Thanksgiving, so John choked him out, and he was fired, but the movie is still great. He went on to make even better movies, using his family, his wife's family, friends, his home, and didn't spend his days doing interviews complaining or being lazy, like Orson Welles (who I like, more for his interviews than movies, though).
Cassavates prioritized his art, acting in movies, to take the money and put them right back into his own movies, putting his home up as collateral, doing whatever it took. Ben Gazzara (and someone else in a different book) were saying how John went a month with no sleep trying to edit and finish the movie.. I don't remember the movie, but John would call theaters himself to get them played (and would eventually get distributors).
As great as it is to be rebellious, he actually was able to do something about it, and his movies speak for themselves, and hopefully inspired others to do the same. I also have a lot of respect for him or anyone else who can write and direct a great movie.
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Post by movielover on Jul 10, 2020 22:28:38 GMT
John Carpenter
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 10, 2020 23:16:48 GMT
Rainer Werner Fassbinder
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Post by petrolino on Jul 10, 2020 23:29:01 GMT
To me, Luis Bunuel. Exiled from his homeland Spain, declared number 1 enemy by the Catholic Church, forced to work under duress in America due to alleged political leanings (before leaving), filmed using real life criminals in Mexico (and Spain), became eternal thorn in the French bourgeoisie's side; a dangerous rebel wherever he landed, these points are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg (his films caused scandals and incurred bans too).
"I was able to film Las Hurdes thanks to Ramon Acin, an anarchist from Huesca,...who one day at a cafe in Zaragoza told me, 'Luis, if I ever won the lottery, I would put up the money for you to make a film.' He won a hundred thousand pesetas...and gave me twenty thousand to make the film. With four thousand I bought a Fiat; Pierre Unik came, under contract from Vogue to write an article; and Eli Lotar arrived with a camera loaned by Marc Allégret."
- Luie Bunuel
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Post by Popeye Doyle on Jul 10, 2020 23:30:29 GMT
Dennis Hopper Sam Peckinpah
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Post by Fox in the Snow on Jul 11, 2020 1:07:54 GMT
Lav Diaz
Bela Tarr
James Benning
Shinya Tsukamoto
Jean Luc Godard
Stan Brakhage
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Post by OldAussie on Jul 11, 2020 1:17:55 GMT
Dennis Hopper Sam Peckinpah
I was gonna say these 2 |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 11, 2020 1:34:18 GMT
To me, Luis Bunuel. Exiled from his homeland Spain, declared number 1 enemy by the Catholic Church, forced to work under duress in America due to alleged political leanings (before leaving), filmed using real life criminals in Mexico (and Spain), became eternal thorn in the French bourgeoisie's side; a dangerous rebel wherever he landed, these points are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg (his films caused scandals and incurred bans too).
"I was able to film Las Hurdes thanks to Ramon Acin, an anarchist from Huesca,...who one day at a cafe in Zaragoza told me, 'Luis, if I ever won the lottery, I would put up the money for you to make a film.' He won a hundred thousand pesetas...and gave me twenty thousand to make the film. With four thousand I bought a Fiat; Pierre Unik came, under contract from Vogue to write an article; and Eli Lotar arrived with a camera loaned by Marc Allégret."
- Luie Bunuel
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jul 11, 2020 1:43:15 GMT
Alan Smithee
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Post by gw on Jul 11, 2020 1:56:31 GMT
In animation there's really only one rebel with a sizeable filmography: Ralph Bakshi.
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Post by petrolino on Jul 11, 2020 1:57:54 GMT
To me, Luis Bunuel. Exiled from his homeland Spain, declared number 1 enemy by the Catholic Church, forced to work under duress in America due to alleged political leanings (before leaving), filmed using real life criminals in Mexico (and Spain), became eternal thorn in the French bourgeoisie's side; a dangerous rebel wherever he landed, these points are just the tip of the proverbial iceberg (his films caused scandals and incurred bans too).
"I was able to film Las Hurdes thanks to Ramon Acin, an anarchist from Huesca,...who one day at a cafe in Zaragoza told me, 'Luis, if I ever won the lottery, I would put up the money for you to make a film.' He won a hundred thousand pesetas...and gave me twenty thousand to make the film. With four thousand I bought a Fiat; Pierre Unik came, under contract from Vogue to write an article; and Eli Lotar arrived with a camera loaned by Marc Allégret."
- Luie Bunuel
I love Luis Bunuel. He's definitely in my top five favorite directors.
I love Rainer Werner Fassbinder. I must have almost all his movies on dvd, at least close to (not checked). He's an excellent suggestion to my eyes, a social rebel too.
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 11, 2020 2:14:40 GMT
I love Luis Bunuel. He's definitely in my top five favorite directors.
I love Rainer Werner Fassbinder. I must have almost all his movies on dvd, at least close to (not checked). He's an excellent suggestion to my eyes, a social rebel too.
What are your favorite RWF movies? Mine would be "In a Year with 13 Moons" and "Ali: Fear Eats the Soul". The first one is very hard to watch. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 11, 2020 2:15:40 GMT
In animation there's really only one rebel with a sizeable filmography: Ralph Bakshi. I love "Heavy Traffic". It's hilarious and so vulgar. |
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Post by petrolino on Jul 11, 2020 2:21:18 GMT
I love Rainer Werner Fassbinder. I must have almost all his movies on dvd, at least close to (not checked). He's an excellent suggestion to my eyes, a social rebel too.
What are your favorite RWF movies? Mine would be "In a Year with 13 Moons" and "Ali: Fear Eats the Soul". The first one is very hard to watch. It's difficult to say as I'm a Fassbinder fanboy, not a critic, and I've rarely encountered one of his movies I didn't at least enjoy. I like the journey of exploration a committed artistic director takes me on, he does that, his contemporary Wim Wenders does that. 'Ali : Fear Eats The Soul' I consider to be an important film, a film that reminds me all the racists online today don't mean a hill of beans to me, I'm all about interstellar space. |
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Post by movielover on Jul 11, 2020 3:24:15 GMT
Dennis Hopper Sam Peckinpah
Definitely, especially Peckinpah. |
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Post by gw on Jul 11, 2020 4:27:43 GMT
In animation there's really only one rebel with a sizeable filmography: Ralph Bakshi. I love "Heavy Traffic". It's hilarious and so vulgar. I like the ending a lot but it's not my personal favorite from him. My favorites from Bakshi are Coonskin and American Pop though I would only give each one a 7 because despite the great ideas they're both rather uneven. I used to be more of a fan of Bill Plympton than Ralph Bakshi but I haven't really liked any off his feature films made after Hair High. I consider Plympton to be more of an outsider filmmaker than a rebel though. |
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Post by dirtypillows on Jul 11, 2020 4:39:32 GMT
I love "Heavy Traffic". It's hilarious and so vulgar. I like the ending a lot but it's not my personal favorite from him. My favorites from Bakshi are Coonskin and American Pop though I would only give each one a 7 because despite the great ideas they're both rather uneven. I used to be more of a fan of Bill Plympton than Ralph Bakshi but I haven't really liked any off his feature films made after Hair High. I consider Plympton to be more of an outsider filmmaker than a rebel though. The jewish mother from HT is very funny. I have Coonskin on DVD, but I have yet to watch it. |
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Post by gw on Jul 11, 2020 4:47:54 GMT
I like the ending a lot but it's not my personal favorite from him. My favorites from Bakshi are Coonskin and American Pop though I would only give each one a 7 because despite the great ideas they're both rather uneven. I used to be more of a fan of Bill Plympton than Ralph Bakshi but I haven't really liked any off his feature films made after Hair High. I consider Plympton to be more of an outsider filmmaker than a rebel though. The jewish mother from HT is very funny. I have Coonskin on DVD, but I have yet to watch it. Yeah, she's pretty funny. I like Coonskin because it's like a fever dream version of Song of the South. It's rather hard edged, not that Heavy Traffic isn't but Coonskin as you can probably tell from the title, pulls out all the stops. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 11, 2020 14:34:18 GMT
As for Fassbinder, I've seen about 20 of his movies, but he was SO prolific in such a short amount of time... I think I've learned some about his personality, but I don't know about any possible problems he had with producers, rebellion in general. Maybe you could tell me (us) more about him... He seemed to have a loyal and dedicated acting troupe, and to me, didn't seem like he had problems getting his movies out there, his way, unlike Peckinpah or Welles. |
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Post by mortsahlfan on Jul 11, 2020 14:36:51 GMT
Now, if they were making a documentary on Scorsese, I DO want him to mention all the old Italian directors he admires, and I have seen at least one documentary of his, and even though I'm not a fan of his, I do like his enthusiasm for those who came before him.
There have been quite a few documentaries that interviewed my so-called "Director of the Month", and now they're back to be almost unknowns. I've seen that in other forms (comedy, music) which give me that same feel. My thing is that if you're going to make a documentary on someone like Luchino Visconti, I'd rather have those who worked with him interviewed, as well as directors say of the neo-realistic movement, because they were encroaching new ground simultaneously, using the similar technology, and also living under the same time period. In the case I mentioned - post WWII, so they lived it, and understand it. Many of them worked with the same actors (De Sica, Visconti, Fellini, etc) which brings a more important element during an interview. It's usually (in my opinion) a no-good director who made money, and decides to "produce" who puts his money and his name on a picture, and will make sure he's interviewed as an expert. I wish I could bring an example, because I've seen so many director documentaries where the younger guy who is being interviewed was completely disliked and disrespected by the man he's discussing, as though they were best friends.
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