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Post by Morgana on Aug 4, 2020 10:41:43 GMT
Doesn’t quite match what you wrote though.  I wrote a lotta stuff on this thread. 
If women are paranoid about catcalls from men, then perhaps they should wear burkas. But burkas go with clitorectomies, right? Then maybe catcalls aren't so bad after all. Understand now? Actually clitorectomies are more prevalent in African countries, but are also practised in some Muslim communities. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 4, 2020 11:15:18 GMT
I wrote a lotta stuff on this thread.
If women are paranoid about catcalls from men, then perhaps they should wear burkas. But burkas go with clitorectomies, right? Then maybe catcalls aren't so bad after all. Understand now? Actually clitorectomies are more an African custom, but some Muslim communities do practice it also. Yeah there are only certain groups within Islam who practice FGM and I believe the burka isn’t even worn by the majority of Muslim women. I’ve known women who I didn’t know were practicing Muslims until it came up in conversation. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 9, 2020 8:06:07 GMT
Stop being smug, GameBoy. You are the one who said “feminists rant that catcalls from construction workers are the worse thing a woman can experience” and failed to back it up. Homosexuals in some societies face prisons or the death penalty and you whine about gay marriage. This is what happens in the west, we’re living relatively comfortable lives so we whine about comparatively unimportant intrusions in our lives. Understand it now? Huh? I did back it up. I showed you a link where feminists refer to men's catcalls as a form of oppression.
No, I "whine" that the obsession with state-promulgated monogamy by the LGBT establishment has allowed them to ignore more pressing issues which should be addressed, including capital punishment for homosexuality in Muslim countries.
What I wrote still stands. You overstated your case and looked like a histrionic fool.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 9, 2020 8:56:53 GMT
What I wrote still stands. You overstated your case and looked like a histrionic fool. What are you on about now? It's fundamental to feminism that male objectification of women as sex objects is fundamental to sexist oppression. They complain about it but any woman who says that it is the worse thing is either stupid, trolling or fictional.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 9, 2020 10:27:13 GMT
Actually clitorectomies are more prevalent in African countries, but are also practised in some Muslim communities. Muslims are prevalent in north and west Africa. So the two are not mutually exclusive. Did not Muslim invaders impose the practice of performing clitorectomies on the cultures of Africa? I would think that pre-Islamic animist religions did not permit the abominable practice. You're right, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I really have no idea if it was introduced by Muslim invasion or if it was already prevalent in Africa before that. I know that it isn't a requirement in Islam and has been advised against by most Muslim scholars. It is practised by animist religions, and even some Christian, in Africa. I myself know a lot of Muslim women, and none of even the older generations have ever had it done.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 9, 2020 22:25:50 GMT
They complain about it but any woman who says that it is the worse thing is either stupid, trolling or fictional. Again, since you continue to ignore it:
It's fundamental to feminism that male objectification of women as sex objects is fundamental to sexist oppression.
Dude, this is central to feminism. It's the root cause of inequality for women in our society. The glass ceiling, sexual harassment at work, catcalls on the street, even rape; you're telling me there is something worse?  Point out where one of them actually says it’s the worse. Remember, you claimed to have heard this.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 10, 2020 1:35:36 GMT
Point out where one of them actually says it’s the worse. Remember, you claimed to have heard this. Yeah, you're right. Sexual harassment, rape and discrimination in general are not that bad. And there you go lying about what I said. Why don’t you run this by the women of Filmboards and see what they say. Should be interesting to say the least.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 10, 2020 9:16:16 GMT
You're right, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I really have no idea if it was introduced by Muslim invasion or if it was already prevalent in Africa before that. I know that it isn't a requirement in Islam and has been advised against by most Muslim scholars. It is practised by animist religions, and even some Christian, in Africa. I myself know a lot of Muslim women, and none of even the older generations have ever had it done. True, there is much Islamophobic hysteria and I suppose I fell into that trap. The Muslims I know in the U.S. are very worldly people who are as ambivalent about religion as most Americans.
I'm surprised that sub-Saharan animists would sanction such a puritanical practice as clitorectomy though. I've always thought they had a much more sensual attitude about sex than the Judeo-Christian West.
I see it as being more about men wanting to control womens' bodies, and less about religion.
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Aug 15, 2020 11:46:19 GMT
And there you go lying about what I said. Why don’t you run this by the women of Filmboards and see what they say. Should be interesting to say the least. As I might say if I was gay "Sit the fuck down".
But yeah, I'll do that, run it by the good ladies of filmboards.  did i miss that or is it still in the making? 
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Aug 15, 2020 11:58:26 GMT
Bullshit. Men love to be objectified. We feel flattered.
The fundamental key here is what feminists will often deny - males and females are very different creatures. That's why you and I are queer, innit? If men and women are the same why do I get that homo tingle when I see a hotlooking man?
The difference is that there are no female construction workers catcalling men on the street.
The difference is there has not been thousands of years where women were kept as the bitch in the kitch.
This stuff ain't rocket science.
So do women, they often want men to pay attention to them, but may tend to play more games or hard to get. Women like to play on their sexual mystique. Males can be more base and direct . You know this. Why do you think so much consumerism to beautify oneself is aimed at females? Is this so they can attract other women? It is the insecure man-hating females\feminists that will project their vitriol onto males. The denial is just a ruse, or because these women are just incredibly insecure about themselves and\or misandrist lesbians. Women are NOT going to change the nature of men and if they have to put up with male catcalling, tough! Both genders rely on construction workers which are majorly male, so it is a small price to pay. Men have to put up with female s<>t and I agree, men and women are different beasts in many respects. They won't ever be males, equality catcalls or not, so things are never going to be on a par. wtf ... i refrain from replying directly to this bc it's a load of crap and u seem to carry around a lot of unresolved issues rotting in ur mind and poisoning ur heart. seriously, have u ever thought about getting it treated?
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Aug 15, 2020 15:55:06 GMT
did i miss that or is it still in the making? Oh, I forgot. Stammaman can be such a prickly git. But yeah, it's an interesting idea for a thread.
Aren't catcalls and rape part of the same problem according to feminists? oh yeah of course, to different extents, it stems from a male oriented society where women are seen and treated as mere objects, not only according to and perceived as such by feminists, but it should be obvious to anyone with decency. and catcalling on the streets, car honking, verbal harassments, staring at us in the subway, etc is sexualising us and in its very own way, it feels so humiliating and making us feel really uncomfortable, bc the humiliation and degradation takes place, unasked for, in every day life situations and in public, for the whole world to see. no need to compare this with genital mutilation and say "this is worse than that". it is two different things, yet both is equally wrong.
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Aug 15, 2020 17:06:43 GMT
oh yeah of course, to different extents, it stems from a male oriented society where women are seen and treated as mere objects, not only according to and perceived as such by feminists, but it should be obvious to anyone with decency. and catcalling on the streets, car honking, verbal harassments, staring at us in the subway, etc is sexualising us and in its very own way, it feels so humiliating and making us feel really uncomfortable, bc the humiliation and degradation takes place, unasked for, in every day life situations and in public, for the whole world to see. no need to compare this with genital mutilation and say "this is worse than that". it is two different things, yet both is equally wrong. Well this is a very interesting topic. One could create a graph or a scale, where we go from a rather harmless thing like catcalling to objectification in pornography, then jump to rape, and then to the even more extreme crime against humanity of female genital mutilation.
Is a cultural and systemic practice like clitorectomy completely different from rape? Can they be seen as different aspects of the oppression of women? Or are they completely different issues in feminism?
please, no. i know what u are saying here, and please, we don't need no graph, no ranking, no charts of all these practices that are fundamentally not different from another but stem within the wide scopes of sexism and oppression of the female gender by the male gender, they are all gears of the patriarchy and therefore equally wrong. the different practices differ in their different cultural roots, in the severity of harm and injury of the victim and they differ in the consequences each of them have for the individual victim, physically, psychologically and in a wider sense, societal consequences. yet, bc, they are nothing but harmful, they are all wrong and inacceptable an in equal humanistic measure.
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Post by Prime etc. on Aug 15, 2020 17:33:18 GMT
I believe Marxist theory is the solution to organize society for the best management and equal distribution of goods. Capitalism spurs growth but encourages hoarding. Elitism and monarchism like with the Romanovs is HOARDING, the 1% own everything.
It was noble what the Bolsheviks did. The Tsarist system like the Qing Dynasty was rotten and had to be torn down. Of course like most revolutions it was betrayed - by Stalin. There are no benevolent rulers. They do what must be done to sustain their power. Both the Romanovs and the Bolsheviks were brutal to their enemies.
No government is perfect but the Csar was a hereditary ruler- old chieftain structure common to many societies---the Bolsheviks were mafia-like outsiders who wanted to take over. The Bolsheviks massacred millions of people --and that was before WW 2. They also put their own foot soldiers to the gun.
You don't bring peace and harmony by enacting massacres and famine. The Red Terror wasn't a period of peace. And a gulag was a death camp for thought crime. They put people into prison for thinking.
The education system in Russia collapsed under the bolsheviks. They also had a maniac idea to ban marriage with caused so many problems it had to be reversed. Was Catherine the Great a worse ruler than Lenin? Did she ever refer to the public as "useful idiots" like he did?
KGB dissident Bezmenov remarked how the communists consider the public comparable to insects. Communism fails because it is parasitic government-you take the healthiest members out and replace them with the weakest--it's just replacing one kind of tribalism with another that is far less intuitive. The Bolsheviks massacred the agriculturalist Kulaks and helped bring about mass starvation (but they also took food away from the public because they wanted to project how successful communism was--and didn't care if the public died for their lies).
No system is perfect but communism is not a healthy form of government. In the 1970s the USSR needed cash injections from the West to stay afloat.
Russia had the same problems the US has now--wealthy elitists who exploited the poor, and then fund communist agitators (playing both sides)--once they gained power, they implemented a police state and only a minority of party insiders were given the wealth.
The Bolshevik media of Czarist Russia was also defending rioters and thugs like we see today.
And Mao had typical communist mental deficiency--he had a Four Pests decree in the 1960s-he told peasants to go out and kill animals he considered bad--like sparrows. Peasants killed sparrows by banging pots and pans or destroying their nests. It was so successful that insects (which the sparrows were eating) flourished and caused crop failure. They had to import sparrows from Russia. The wonders of communism.
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Post by Sophiefoxx on Aug 16, 2020 1:07:23 GMT
wtf ... i refrain from replying directly to this bc it's a load of crap and u seem to carry around a lot of unresolved issues rotting in ur mind and poisoning ur heart. seriously, have u ever thought about getting it treated? Triggered aye! good! u can do it!
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Post by avocadojoe on Aug 17, 2020 16:59:14 GMT
I'm not so sure. I don't catcall pretty boys when they walk down the street. It's just tacky behavior. Why should straight males get a pass? That you think women ARE going to change the nature of men? Do men want to be changed? Do women want to be changed? I know I don't want anyone to change me into an image of what they think I should be and for the most part, I attempt to find an equal balance with both masculine and feminine qualities within myself. Sometimes I may go a little too homo, but that's just my nature.... 
Not all men, the majority I would say, are sexist pigs either, (culture can dictate this), and sexism also only seems to have validity when women cite it and I hear many sexist claims from women about men in the flesh and I have called them out on it. They don't seem to care though. It is a free pass they give themselves for being "special" female.
I don't sexually objectify women as straight men do and many women I have observed have expectations of how they want men to be around them or they can be seen as wimps. Straight men are first and foremost going to see an attractive female as a sexual object before anything else.
I was hanging out with 2 straight males last weekend and one was a buddy of the other. He was politely asking me about my homoness, as I was about his heteroness, and when I asked both of them if they would have married their wives if they said they didn't want to have sex with them at any stage of the marriage, they both said NO. I don't want women for sex. I like to objectify males as pieces of meat. Payback time! Start catcalling them gamey....  Regarding all this, men and women are, apparently, different like night and day. All (most) of the gay guys I have known enjoy being sexually objectified, me, myself and I included. It's a wonderfully potent release from the tiring and dreary shackles of civilization. And the dynamics of man-man are certainly going to be different than those of man-woman. With guys the power imbalance is very much reduced, if not done away with completely. (Cruising culture notwithstanding. I have never enjoyed cruising. I'm terrible at it. I'm much too transparent.) With two men, the equipment is the same, the sensibilities are the same. Two guys are coming from the same place. With a woman, she has something that the guy does not have, but covets. This is why female prostitutes can charge (and get) much higher fees than a gay male prostitute. It's the power dynamic involved that sets the difference. |
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Post by Morgana on Aug 18, 2020 9:11:09 GMT
I see it as being more about men wanting to control womens' bodies, and less about religion. And by that same token, I also see MGM as being a pandering to females whims for some reason, (or a lame sexualized excuse), regarding the male sexual appendage in our western secular society. Also in the US, for profit for doctors. I don't think MGM is pandering to female whims at all. The religions that enforce it, Islam and Judaism, are very male dominated.
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