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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 2, 2020 4:17:20 GMT
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Post by Morgana on Aug 2, 2020 10:11:56 GMT
Thanks for posting this, it's very interesting but I wish there was more information as to what was going on in some scenes. Funny that there were no women, unless I missed them.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 2, 2020 17:16:27 GMT
Thanks for posting this, it's very interesting but I wish there was more information as to what was going on in some scenes. Funny that there were no women, unless I missed them. I saw no women either. Don't forget that before the Communist revolution, the Chinese crippled women by binding their feet and deforming them. It may have been socially unacceptable for women to walk or gather in the streets among men.
As for what they were doing, it looks like they were cooking something in that large steaming rectangular vat.
Reminds me of the Middle East.
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Post by loofapotato on Aug 2, 2020 17:21:29 GMT
Thanks for posting this, it's very interesting but I wish there was more information as to what was going on in some scenes. Funny that there were no women, unless I missed them. I saw no women either. Don't forget that before the Communist revolution, the Chinese crippled women by binding their feet and deforming them. It may have been socially unacceptable for women to walk or gather in the streets among men.
As for what they were doing, it looks like they were cooking something in that large steaming rectangular vat.
They were not cooking. That is a Buddhist temple. The vat is a burner pot that holds coal and ash. You can see a guy pull out some coals with very long chopsticks and the two men in front were burning the ends of incense prayer sticks into the hot ash then flipping the other end into the ash to stand them up.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 2, 2020 19:06:31 GMT
Reminds me of the Middle East. I'd say it's much worse than the Middle East. Women in burkas are probably less likely to be sexually harassed or even raped. And women in burkas are not crippled for life. It's thought that one reason why the Qing Dynasty fell was because women couldn't perform work with their feet bound so China lost half its workforce.
People underestimate how much turmoil China suffered in the 19th century. Everyone knows about Nanjing and the Great Leap Forward but things like the Taiping Rebellion and Opium Wars devastated China.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 4:24:35 GMT
It's thought that one reason why the Qing Dynasty fell was because women couldn't perform work with their feet bound so China lost half its workforce.
People underestimate how much turmoil China suffered in the 19th century. Everyone knows about Nanjing and the Great Leap Forward but things like the Taiping Rebellion and Opium Wars devastated China.
I don't support the Chinese Communists and the reign of terror and oppression they imposed on the Chinese people. But there were good reasons they had to topple the Qing regime. Thousand of years of elitist corruption needed to be erased. There was good reason to take the landowners out in the field and shoot them in the back of the head. History is full of oppressive rulers being deposed by other oppressive rulers. It's not that any of them love the poor, they just hate the rich. Lenin joked about the Romanovs hanging from trees, does that sound like a benevolent ruler?
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 5:42:54 GMT
History is full of oppressive rulers being deposed by other oppressive rulers. It's not that any of them love the poor, they just hate the rich. Lenin joked about the Romanovs hanging from trees, does that sound like a benevolent ruler? I believe Marxist theory is the solution to organize society for the best management and equal distribution of goods. Capitalism spurs growth but encourages hoarding. Elitism and monarchism like with the Romanovs is HOARDING, the 1% own everything.
It was noble what the Bolsheviks did. The Tsarist system like the Qing Dynasty was rotten and had to be torn down. Of course like most revolutions it was betrayed - by Stalin. There are no benevolent rulers. They do what must be done to sustain their power. Both the Romanovs and the Bolsheviks were brutal to their enemies. It was noble? It was noble to have a family lined up and shot? Have you ever read a description of what exactly happened to them? It was brutal and not as quick as you might think. Lenin was as much of an asshole as Stalin was. What in your mind makes the Reds better in Russia and China compared to the Romanovs and the Qing?
Aren't you a Bourgeois yourself?
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 7:06:23 GMT
It was noble? It was noble to have a family lined up and shot? Have you ever read a description of what exactly happened to them? It was brutal and not as quick as you might think. Lenin was as much of an asshole as Stalin was. What in your mind makes the Reds better in Russia and China compared to the Romanovs and the Qing?
Aren't you a Bourgeois yourself?
No, I come from the proletariat. My dad was a NASA engineer and made good money. But he didn't own capital and had a boss. That's not bourgeoisie though I'm middle class.
I like the current system because I'm selfish and materialistic. But for efficient management of the economy, Marxism is necessary.
The "Reds" are better because there's more equal distribution of wealth. And in China there's no footbinding among other things.
I feel for the Romanovs. But there was no way that Tsarist system could have survived far into the 20th century. It had to end. Revolutions are usually bloody.
Before I comment further, what's the difference between Communism and Marxism? Your personal feelings for goods is why nobody really wants to live under such a regime.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 3, 2020 10:11:37 GMT
Reminds me of the Middle East. I'd say it's much worse than the Middle East. Women in burkas are probably less likely to be sexually harassed or even raped. And women in burkas are not crippled for life. True.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 3, 2020 10:20:57 GMT
I believe Marxist theory is the solution to organize society for the best management and equal distribution of goods. Capitalism spurs growth but encourages hoarding. Elitism and monarchism like with the Romanovs is HOARDING, the 1% own everything.
It was noble what the Bolsheviks did. The Tsarist system like the Qing Dynasty was rotten and had to be torn down. Of course like most revolutions it was betrayed - by Stalin. There are no benevolent rulers. They do what must be done to sustain their power. Both the Romanovs and the Bolsheviks were brutal to their enemies. It was noble? It was noble to have a family lined up and shot? Have you ever read a description of what exactly happened to them? It was brutal and not as quick as you might think. Lenin was as much of an asshole as Stalin was. What in your mind makes the Reds better in Russia and China compared to the Romanovs and the Qing?
Aren't you a Bourgeois yourself?
Someone posted a video on the History thread, of a youtube video showing one of the killers of the Romanovs. He spoke about it in such a calm, matter-of-fact way it chilled me to my bone.
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Post by Morgana on Aug 3, 2020 10:22:46 GMT
It's thought that one reason why the Qing Dynasty fell was because women couldn't perform work with their feet bound so China lost half its workforce.
People underestimate how much turmoil China suffered in the 19th century. Everyone knows about Nanjing and the Great Leap Forward but things like the Taiping Rebellion and Opium Wars devastated China.
I don't support the Chinese Communists and the reign of terror and oppression they imposed on the Chinese people. But there were good reasons they had to topple the Qing regime. Thousand of years of elitist corruption needed to be erased. There was good reason to take the landowners out in the field and shoot them in the back of the head. My grandfather fled China, from the Communist regime.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 3, 2020 12:03:19 GMT
Reminds me of the Middle East. I'd say it's much worse than the Middle East. Women in burkas are probably less likely to be sexually harassed or even raped. And women in burkas are not crippled for life. Although in many communities they’d get more than harassed for not wearing the burka.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 17:10:09 GMT
Before I comment further, what's the difference between Communism and Marxism? Your personal feelings for goods is why nobody really wants to live under such a regime. Marxism is a theory of history. It maintains that history has always been a class struggle between the mass of workers and the controlling elite. Communism is the practical application of Marxist theory. No one gets to the top of society without being an asshole. And if they have to kill and war to make it happen, they're a psychopath. Nobody should smile upon the deeds of the Bolsheviks or Mao and nobody should think it was necessary. If you lived through in Russia or China during those times, you'd have a different opinion.
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 3, 2020 17:14:07 GMT
It was noble? It was noble to have a family lined up and shot? Have you ever read a description of what exactly happened to them? It was brutal and not as quick as you might think. Lenin was as much of an asshole as Stalin was. What in your mind makes the Reds better in Russia and China compared to the Romanovs and the Qing?
Aren't you a Bourgeois yourself?
Someone posted a video on the History thread, of a youtube video showing one of the killers of the Romanovs. He spoke about it in such a calm, matter-of-fact way it chilled me to my bone. It was nasty. At least one of the women had a lot of jewelry or something in her dress so she wasn't killed instantly, they had to keep firing. The walls were pasted with their blood and the entire room was filled with smoke. The people who killed them were the same who housed them for months after they fled the palace and even befriended them. That's plain evil. The anecdote I mentioned came from an interview with Bertrand Russell who remembered speaking to Lenin years earlier, claiming he was disgusted with him.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 3, 2020 21:16:49 GMT
Although in many communities they’d get more than harassed for not wearing the burka. I dunno, I've heard feminists rant that catcalls from construction workers are the worse thing a woman can experience. Maybe a burka is a good solution to their dilemma. I’ve never heard a feminist say that but perhaps they’ve never had their clitoris hacked off and so overreact to a few catcalls.
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Post by politicidal on Aug 3, 2020 22:36:27 GMT
"Can you believe it Jin?"
"What, Yao?"
"They put a freaking two year old on the throne!"
"What!?!?"
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 3, 2020 22:59:27 GMT
I’ve never heard a feminist say that but perhaps they’ve never had their clitoris hacked off and so overreact to a few catcalls. Well thank you. Yes, clitorectomies are a great comparison to Chinese footbinding. It's bodily mutilation of females by a Patriarchal society. This is all the more reason why the Romanovs and the Windsors be damned, the world might just be better off under Marxism.
But you need to keep yourself apprised of feminist critique.
Doesn’t quite match what you wrote though.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 4, 2020 0:10:26 GMT
Doesn’t quite match what you wrote though. I wrote a lotta stuff on this thread.
If women are paranoid about catcalls from men, then perhaps they should wear burkas. But burkas go with clitorectomies, right? Then maybe catcalls aren't so bad after all. Understand now? Stop being smug, GameBoy. You are the one who said “feminists rant that catcalls from construction workers are the worse thing a woman can experience” and failed to back it up. Homosexuals in some societies face prisons or the death penalty and you whine about gay marriage. This is what happens in the west, we’re living relatively comfortable lives so we whine about comparatively unimportant intrusions in our lives. Understand it now?
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Post by Schwarzwald Magnus on Aug 4, 2020 4:38:02 GMT
"Can you believe it Jin?"
"What, Yao?"
"They put a freaking two year old on the throne!"
"What!?!?"
Have you seen The Last Emperor? "Open the door!"
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Post by Morgana on Aug 4, 2020 10:39:39 GMT
I'd say it's much worse than the Middle East. Women in burkas are probably less likely to be sexually harassed or even raped. And women in burkas are not crippled for life. Although in many communities they’d get more than harassed for not wearing the burka. In some countries, that's true.
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