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Post by sadsaak on Aug 19, 2020 13:05:33 GMT
In the UK most kids are in school from 5 to 18, which is 13 years. So they have spent the bulk of their lives learning how to sit down, shut up and do as they are told, which may be good training for clerks and such, but leaves them pretty spiritless. And when they do go to uni they are taught by lecturers who are only there because their academic qualifications fit them for little else. But as often or not the kids stick it out because they are so institutionalised that they are prepared to pile up mega debts in exchange for an as often worthless degree rather than face the outside world.
So how about making all children leave school at say 16 and not allow them to apply for university for another ten years? That will give them the chance to grow up a bit and kick up the dust. They might also discover that most of the courses on offer aren't of much use to the students but exist largely to keep the universities in business.
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Post by senan90 on Aug 19, 2020 13:13:24 GMT
Depends on the career they chose for Higher Education; Medicine/Science are important to study academically. But the ones you imply, using Business, for example is a pile of crap. You get a 2:1 and so what? Have you any employablilty skills/ years of experience to show for it? Would the solution to be to have cheaper courses and paid work experience? 50/50 course intensity etc. England's course fees are ridiculous.
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Post by Catman on Aug 19, 2020 13:40:57 GMT
Catman would prefer most work for a while before going to college.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2020 16:01:07 GMT
My parents forced me to study business in university when I was 18-19. Waste of time and money because I failed classes that I had no skill or interest in but they wouldn't pay for anything else and made me transfer to get a useless community college diploma which I finished when I was 21 and I've never used. Now I've been working for several years in low-skill jobs which have gotten shittier because of corona and I'm more than eager to get my degree in linguistics on my own dime.
Public schools indoctrinate kids to stay in education and look down on people who stop at a high school diploma. That's why I was too chickenshit to leave school entirely and just work, even though it would have saved me time and benefited my mental health tremendously.
Higher education should be at least an option at any age, but shouldn't be pushed.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Aug 19, 2020 16:12:19 GMT
Catman would prefer most work for a while before going to college. Those were my original plans upon completing high school: work for a year or two; learn a little something about the world and what I wanted to do with my life that would suggest goals and courses of study. And then, somehow, forty years of work went by and it was time to retire. Just as well, probably. I never functioned well in rigidly structured scholastic environments. For instance, all through school, I was a terrible math student, getting only barely passing grades. None of it made sense to me in the abstract, conceptualized form in which lessons were presented. Then, through pure happenstance, I landed in the accounting department of a financial institution and, confronted with real, practical applications, it all suddenly made sense. And I spent the next fifteen years doing some form of that kind of work in one sort of business or another. It was early in that period that I dropped any ideas about pursuing higher education. It would have been different if I'd had a hankering for a career in something like aerospace engineering, but I was never driven by such ambitions. Only those for a decent enough living to provide reasonable comfort, security and enjoyment. And that all worked out well enough without a degree of any kind. I'll add that most knowledge that's been of the highest value has been that I acquired after finishing with schooling. But the world is quite different from the one of fifty years ago and, with competition much more fierce, I don't imagine roads such as that I traveled are open to many today. As Maurice Chevalier once sang, I'm glad I'm not young anymore.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Aug 19, 2020 20:14:12 GMT
Not every kid is cut out to go to university. Trade schools are good. I think a year off between last year in school before going to university is good so the kids get to breathe a little, and hopefully get a job in between.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2020 1:52:41 GMT
Not every kid is cut out to go to university. Trade schools are good. I think a year off between last year in school before going to university is good so the kids get to breathe a little, and hopefully get a job in between. I remember you telling me to go back to school. I think it was on the Hive. |
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Post by kls on Aug 20, 2020 10:27:02 GMT
I was more than ready to start college right when I turned 18. Since I wanted to teach the degree(s) were necessary.
But going to college should be something that is thought out. Somebody needs to have some idea what he or she wants to do and a career goal that would make the investment worth it.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Aug 20, 2020 11:15:08 GMT
Not every kid is cut out to go to university. Trade schools are good. I think a year off between last year in school before going to university is good so the kids get to breathe a little, and hopefully get a job in between. I remember you telling me to go back to school. I think it was on the Hive. Yes, because you expressed an interest in furthering yourself. You are smart.
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Post by sweetpea on Aug 20, 2020 16:46:33 GMT
Depends on the career they chose for Higher Education; Medicine/Science are important to study academically. But the ones you imply, using Business, for example is a pile of crap. You get a 2:1 and so what? Have you any employablilty skills/ years of experience to show for it? Would the solution to be to have cheaper courses and paid work experience? 50/50 course intensity etc. England's course fees are ridiculous. I graduated with a degree in Business Admin & Business General...well and Mathematics. I've owned a business for over 25 years & yes it came in handy. To this day I wished taking Business 101 was mandatory in high school considering the large number of people who want to go off on businesses, yet have no clue what it takes. It doesn't matter which side of the cash register you are on, it would be beneficial. Take it from someone who would like to smack people upside the head(literally of course) because of the stupid things they say involving business. Example: Oh you get charged by the credit card companies every time someone uses their card? Um.../yes they take a %. Oh....Those boxes/bags you use to put our stuff in costs YOU money? No we get everything free /s. You would think it's common sense, but apparently not.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Aug 20, 2020 17:33:11 GMT
Depends on the career they chose for Higher Education; Medicine/Science are important to study academically. But the ones you imply, using Business, for example is a pile of crap. You get a 2:1 and so what? Have you any employablilty skills/ years of experience to show for it? Would the solution to be to have cheaper courses and paid work experience? 50/50 course intensity etc. England's course fees are ridiculous. I graduated with a degree in Business Admin & Business General...well and Mathematics. I've owned a business for over 25 years & yes it came in handy. To this day I wished taking Business 101 was mandatory in high school considering the large number of people who want to go off on businesses, yet have no clue what it takes. It doesn't matter which side of the cash register you are on, it would be beneficial. Take it from someone who would like to smack people upside the head(literally of course) because of the stupid things they say involving business. Example: Oh you get charged by the credit card companies every time someone uses their card? Um.../yes they take a %. Oh....Those boxes/bags you use to put our stuff in costs YOU money? No we get everything free /s. You would think it's common sense, but apparently not. I believe everyone should take a few business and finance courses - to learn the basics. They are invaluable from a personal perspective, and do come in handy no matter what you decide to do with your life.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 20, 2020 19:04:30 GMT
I went to what used to be called a Technical College and did a course in Studio Graphics so I could work in art departments making camera ready artwork for printing. This was back in the days when cut and paste was done with a scalpel blade and cow gum.
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Post by Stammerhead on Aug 20, 2020 21:33:10 GMT
I went to what used to be called a Technical College and did a course in Studio Graphics so I could work in art departments making camera ready artwork for printing. This was back in the days when cut and paste was done with a scalpel blade and cow gum. Don't be silly. Cows don't chew gum. Working with this stuff was like being paid to sniff glue. 
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2020 10:27:38 GMT
I graduated with a degree in Business Admin & Business General...well and Mathematics. I've owned a business for over 25 years & yes it came in handy. To this day I wished taking Business 101 was mandatory in high school considering the large number of people who want to go off on businesses, yet have no clue what it takes. It doesn't matter which side of the cash register you are on, it would be beneficial. Take it from someone who would like to smack people upside the head(literally of course) because of the stupid things they say involving business. Example: Oh you get charged by the credit card companies every time someone uses their card? Um.../yes they take a %. Oh....Those boxes/bags you use to put our stuff in costs YOU money? No we get everything free /s. You would think it's common sense, but apparently not. I believe everyone should take a few business and finance courses - to learn the basics. They are invaluable from a personal perspective, and do come in handy no matter what you decide to do with your life. I can agree. I have no use for calculus or accounting now, but I still value having learnt economics, especially as a retail worker. I remember being asked in middle school if I'd like to continue my studies after high school and answering no. They treat kids like they're gonna be welfare recipients for the rest of their lives just for not having a career plan at age 12. And telling us we had to pick a profession by grade 10. Fucking pile of shit. I didn't know I'd enjoy working in grocery stores so much until I was 23, and that was after trying several jobs. Almost 2 years ago I became involved with a man who had just finished film-making school, was in student debt, and drove UberEats to pay it off. He regretted wasting that time and money. That's when I realized there's no shame in saying it loud and clear that higher education isn't for everyone.
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Post by TheOriginalPinky on Aug 21, 2020 12:39:16 GMT
I believe everyone should take a few business and finance courses - to learn the basics. They are invaluable from a personal perspective, and do come in handy no matter what you decide to do with your life. I can agree. I have no use for calculus or accounting now, but I still value having learnt economics, especially as a retail worker. I remember being asked in middle school if I'd like to continue my studies after high school and answering no. They treat kids like they're gonna be welfare recipients for the rest of their lives just for not having a career plan at age 12. And telling us we had to pick a profession by grade 10. Fucking pile of shit. I didn't know I'd enjoy working in grocery stores so much until I was 23, and that was after trying several jobs. Almost 2 years ago I became involved with a man who had just finished film-making school, was in student debt, and drove UberEats to pay it off. He regretted wasting that time and money. That's when I realized there's no shame in saying it loud and clear that higher education isn't for everyone. Well, to be fair, film-making school doesn't have great career potential!  Even in college, having to declare a major. Some people still don't know what they want to do with their life in their 40's!!
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