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Post by janntosh on Aug 25, 2020 3:25:58 GMT
Really think she would be the lead? Or is that just an exaggerated “legend” about the movie?
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Post by rudeboy on Aug 25, 2020 3:31:22 GMT
She was the biggest star in the cast and had the coveted ‘and’ billing. Also having her as the protagonist of the first act would no doubt have convinced many that she was going to be the principal character.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2020 3:37:18 GMT
She was the biggest star in the cast and had the coveted ‘and’ billing. Also having her as the protagonist of the first act would no doubt have convinced many that she was going to be the principal character. This^^^
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2020 3:39:06 GMT
She was the biggest star in the cast and had the coveted ‘and’ billing. Also having her as the protagonist of the first act would no doubt have convinced many that she was going to be the principal character. To be fair though, I have never seen a movie where the "and" actor is the lead character. Usually that is reserved for a well respected or very famous actor who has a supporting role in the movie.
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Post by rudeboy on Aug 25, 2020 3:42:27 GMT
She was the biggest star in the cast and had the coveted ‘and’ billing. Also having her as the protagonist of the first act would no doubt have convinced many that she was going to be the principal character. To be fair though, I have never seen a movie where the "and" actor is the lead character. Usually that is reserved for a well respected or very famous actor who has a supporting role in the movie. Yes, this is very true — I guess many viewers may have forgotten the billing by the time they were enthralled by Marion’s story in that first half hour. She was also very prominent on the original poster I believe.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 25, 2020 3:47:52 GMT
Hard to believe BUT the average film goer way back then didn't notice or care about who got billed where.
The credits were just.... the credits !
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2020 3:48:53 GMT
To be fair though, I have never seen a movie where the "and" actor is the lead character. Usually that is reserved for a well respected or very famous actor who has a supporting role in the movie. Yes, this is very true — I guess many viewers may have forgotten the billing by the time they were enthralled by Marion’s story in that first half hour. She was also very prominent on the original poster I believe. Most people might not have even noticed or forgot where she was billed in the opening credits once the story begins.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2020 3:51:09 GMT
Hard to believe BUT the average film goer way back then didn't notice or care about who got billed where. The credits were just.... the credits ! Great point. Do they even notice or care now?
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 25, 2020 4:01:25 GMT
Hard to believe BUT the average film goer way back then didn't notice or care about who got billed where. The credits were just.... the credits ! Great point. Do they even notice or care now? I seriously doubt it !
I confess .. I used to stay to read the credits and listen to the exit music even after there was no one else left in the theater ! Care about who got billed ahead of someone else ? Never ! ot ramble: In the olden days the credits were most often just at the beginning of the picture. Didn't have to give credit to the star's dog walker or the guy who brought sandwiches to the director for his lunch.
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Post by kolchak92 on Aug 25, 2020 4:02:46 GMT
Two things I've never quite gotten regarding how people reacted to the film initially:
1. The trailer literally showed that there'd be a murder (or at least some sort of violent crime) in a shower scene, so why did this come as a surprise to so many people? I'm guessing the trailer was widely distributed.
2. The book. Hadn't a lot of people read the book? So why was there such a surprise about Leigh's character being killed off?
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2020 4:07:25 GMT
Great point. Do they even notice or care now? I seriously doubt it !
I confess .. I used to stay to read the credits and listen to the exit music even after there was no one else left in the theater ! Care about who got billed ahead of someone else ? Never ! ot ramble: In the olden days the credits were most often just at the beginning of the picture. Didn't have to give credit to the star's dog walker or the guy who brought sandwiches to the director for his lunch. I pay attention during the opening credits just to get an idea of which actors to expect in the movie and an idea of how big of a role they might have. I also pay attention for the composer and cinematographer. I usually already know who the director is if the movie is directed by a director I am familiar with.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 25, 2020 4:09:23 GMT
moviemouth I suspect you are not an "average movie goer" if you look for the name of the cinematographer as well as the composer.
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Post by moviemouth on Aug 25, 2020 4:13:15 GMT
moviemouth I suspect you are not an "average movie goer" if you look for the name of the cinematographer as well as the composer. I was just explaining why I do.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 25, 2020 4:21:17 GMT
moviemouth I suspect you are not an "average movie goer" if you look for the name of the cinematographer as well as the composer. I was just explaining why I do. I just noticed ... you have a new name and a new avatar too ! I thought you were a new guy who knows alot about a lot of movies ....
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 25, 2020 6:54:50 GMT
Two things I've never quite gotten regarding how people reacted to the film initially: 1. The trailer literally showed that there'd be a murder (or at least some sort of violent crime) in a shower scene, so why did this come as a surprise to so many people? I'm guessing the trailer was widely distributed. 2. The book. Hadn't a lot of people read the book? So why was there such a surprise about Leigh's character being killed off? 1. Yes, but the trailer used Vera Miles in the shower instead of Janet. 2. Hitchcock actually bought up every copy of the book he could find to guard the secret. Then there was this: He didn't want people wandering in halfway and missing the faux setup. As for the "And" debate, there seems to be a lot of politics involved with credits (see the stars of Towering Inferno fighting over top billing). In any case, every time this has been attempted since that I can think of, they followed the "And" format (see Drew Barrymore in Scream, SLJ in Deep Blue Sea, Steven Seagal in Executive Decision, etc) so if audiences aren't savvy to it now, they probably extra-weren't in 1960.
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Post by BATouttaheck on Aug 25, 2020 12:58:48 GMT
Two things I've never quite gotten regarding how people reacted to the film initially: 1. The trailer literally showed that there'd be a murder (or at least some sort of violent crime) in a shower scene, so why did this come as a surprise to so many people? I'm guessing the trailer was widely distributed. 1. Yes, but the trailer used Vera Miles in the shower instead of Janet.
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Post by fangirl1975 on Aug 25, 2020 17:12:21 GMT
There are also cases in which a newcomer receives an "And introducing" credit for their first lead role. A famous example being Janet Leigh's daughter Jamie Lee Curtis in John Carpenter's Halloween.
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Post by Archelaus on Aug 25, 2020 17:37:32 GMT
1. Yes, but the trailer used Vera Miles in the shower instead of Janet. moviebuffbrad was referring to this trailer:
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 25, 2020 17:44:49 GMT
Wasn't she the biggest name in the movie at the time? I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Anthony Perkins wasn't a particularly big name until he did Psycho.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Aug 25, 2020 22:22:40 GMT
I hope Bat was joking by posting a trailer clearly edited after 1960.
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