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Post by Vegas on Dec 3, 2020 1:29:13 GMT
Why is it in all Santa movies, set in universes where Santa actually exists, people never believe that Santa exists? Wouldn't they already know that Santa exists? Aren't there presents under the tree each year that nobody can explain where they come from?  ...and why is it always a shortage of "Christmas spirit" and/or "Belief in Santa" causing some form of problem... Santa's sleigh won't work without belief / the world will become darker / Santa will cease to exist...etc? Why does Santa hide his existence if his existence depends on people believing in his existence? Shouldn't he be a guest on Jimmy Fallon.. or Jimmy Kimmel.. or some other Jimmy show? Wouldn't that take care of that problem? But.. back to the point: Why do people who live in Santa Claus movies not know Santa actually exists?
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 3, 2020 2:07:02 GMT
You're overthinking.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 3, 2020 7:19:54 GMT
Why is it in all Santa movies, set in universes where Santa actually exists, people never believe that Santa exists? Wouldn't they already know that Santa exists? Aren't there presents under the tree each year that nobody can explain where they come from? ...and why is it always a shortage of "Christmas spirit" and/or "Belief in Santa" causing some form of problem... Santa's sleigh won't work without belief / the world will become darker / Santa will cease to exist...etc? Why does Santa hide his existence if his existence depends on people believing in his existence? Shouldn't he be a guest on Jimmy Fallon.. or Jimmy Kimmel.. or some other Jimmy show? Wouldn't that take care of that problem? But.. back to the point: Why do people who live in Santa Claus movies not know Santa actually exists?
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You've been binge watching Elf, haven't you?
Anyway, I remember a movie that Hallmark did a few years back, Pete's Christmas, a Groundhog Day type movie, which actually, must be a remake of a movie that ABC family did for Christmas way back when they actually did that kind of thing. Anyway, the kids only get one gift each...and everybody made sure the little bed wetting prodigy got his gift...but each parent just assumed the other got the gift for their teenage son and he actually wound up with nothing. So I guess in all the Santa Claus movies there's supposed to be a similar failure to communicate, least of all in 2 parent homes, and each just thinks the other got the presents.
Now the way they did in Miracle on 34th Street made a lot of more sense, why don't the parents believe in Santa Claus? Because he's telling YOU where to find the presents your kids want, rather than delivering them himself, for the most part.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Dec 3, 2020 7:38:32 GMT
They don't believe in Santa Claus to reflect the real world where we don't believe in Santa Claus, only we don't believe in Santa Claus for a reason.
I remember some movie from when I was like 10 where this pissy teen is trying to convince his little brother Santa isn't real so he goes on a diatribe where he completely deconstructs the physics of how fast Santa would have to be to hit every house in one night. Of course, Santa turns out to be real.
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Post by onethreetwo on Dec 3, 2020 8:06:49 GMT
Not stupid. Fantasy. Just go with it.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2020 14:22:44 GMT
Perhaps, but there was a review of the first Santa Clause movie asking why the parents or even the kids don’t realize the extra presents that they didn’t pay for. |
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Post by kolchak92 on Dec 3, 2020 14:51:50 GMT
It is silly, but I think it's just a suspension of disbelief that must be accepted when you watch a movie like that. It's similar to how no one can ever figure out that Clark Kent is really Superman.
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Post by Isapop on Dec 3, 2020 15:57:54 GMT
Why is it in all Santa movies, set in universes where Santa actually exists, people never believe that Santa exists? Your point (a good one) really applies also to movies that deal with vampires, werewolves, ghosts, and so many other sorts of supernatural beings. ( "If I go to the police, they'll just think I'm crazy.")
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 3, 2020 16:48:48 GMT
Perhaps, but there was a review of the first Santa Clause movie asking why the parents or even the kids don’t realize the extra presents that they didn’t pay for. Hence, overthinking it. It is something that is necessarily contradictory in order for such a plot to function.
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Post by Vegas on Dec 3, 2020 17:02:07 GMT
Perhaps, but there was a review of the first Santa Clause movie asking why the parents or even the kids don’t realize the extra presents that they didn’t pay for.
It is something that is necessarily contradictory in order for such a plot to function. And therefore "stupid". If your premise relies on your premise being false.. that's just not smart writing. *in movie trailer voice * - "In a world... where Santa Claus is real.... We're going to pretend that he's not." This isn't somebody finding an alien... and "OMG! Aliens exist, but nobody will believe me!" :  👽Santa is supposedly making his existence publically known every year by delivering presents to everyone.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 3, 2020 17:33:56 GMT
Hence, overthinking it.
It is something that is necessarily contradictory in order for such a plot to function. And therefore "stupid". If your premise relies on your premise being false.. that's just not smart writing. *in movie trailer voice * - "In a world... where Santa Claus is real.... We're going to pretend that he's not." This isn't somebody finding an alien... and "OMG! Aliens exist, but nobody will believe me!" : 👽Santa is supposedly making his existence publically known every year by delivering presents to everyone. I don't see it as being stupid. These movies are working on 2 different levels. They are taking place in two worlds simultaneously. The real world where he doesn't exist and the fantasy world where he does exist. You are watching them too literally.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 3, 2020 18:21:45 GMT
I think you have to take some grain of sand with these types of movies. I mean even something like Batman, which is a bit more grounded in reality, would be unrealistic, not only would a masked vigilante almost certainly be arrested (too risky to let him work on his own) but I think it would be kinda obvious after a while who he is (Gee it couldn't possibly the local Gotham billionaire with access to high tech weapons and machinery)
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Post by Vegas on Dec 3, 2020 18:23:06 GMT
I don't see it as being stupid. These movies are working on 2 different levels. They are taking place in two worlds simultaneously. The real world where he doesn't exist and the fantasy world where he does exist. You are watching them too literally. Of course they are overlapping the world of Santa existing with our world where he doesn't... in the name of fantasy. The reality, tho, is that they are confusing that world with this one. Yes, it's childish fun to pretend that Santa really exists.... It's just that they do it by creating a world of stupid people not knowing their own reality... ...when it should be blatantly obvious in what world they exist in.
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Post by moviemouth on Dec 3, 2020 18:24:41 GMT
I don't see it as being stupid. These movies are working on 2 different levels. They are taking place in two worlds simultaneously. The real world where he doesn't exist and the fantasy world where he does exist. You are watching them too literally. Of course they are overlapping the world of Santa existing with our world where he doesn't... in the name of fantasy. The reality, tho, is that they are confusing that world with this one. Yes, it's childish fun to pretend that Santa really exists.... It's just that they do it by creating a world of stupid people not knowing their own reality... ...when it should be blatantly obvious in what world they exist in. You are buzz kill and you are missing the point. You are taking it too literally as I said before.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 4, 2020 0:01:03 GMT
Why is it in all Santa movies, set in universes where Santa actually exists, people never believe that Santa exists? Your point (a good one) really applies also to movies that deal with vampires, werewolves, ghosts, and so many other sorts of supernatural beings. ( "If I go to the police, they'll just think I'm crazy.")
Well let's face it, police are trained to deal with muggers and murderers, the last time going to the police for help with a monster ever worked was when Steve McQueen was fighting killer Jello.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 4, 2020 5:45:37 GMT
Aren't there presents under the tree each year that nobody can explain where they come from? That's always funny.
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Post by novastar6 on Dec 4, 2020 23:51:19 GMT
Aren't there presents under the tree each year that nobody can explain where they come from? That's always funny.
Like in The Santa Clause, who would forget if they bought a kayak?
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Post by Vegas on Dec 5, 2020 0:25:28 GMT
Like in The Santa Clause, who would forget if they bought a kayak?
A FUCKING KAYAK!! 
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 5, 2020 16:05:12 GMT
Recent historical, literary, and linguistic research and scholarship seem to indicate that Santa Claus does not nor ever has existed. This is the kind of scholarly information that makes some people hesitant to send their children to public universities for fear they will lose their faith.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Dec 5, 2020 17:28:17 GMT
Personally, I have a similar problem with the Chucky movies. Everyone in those films acts like the concept of a killer doll is impossible to believe, and while that’s obviously true in real life, in terms of the movies, all Charles Lee Ray needed to do to become a doll was say a chant. If it’s that easy, you’d think more people in that universe would be familiar with that type of black magic.
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