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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 31, 2022 12:13:11 GMT
I agree with some of the comments, good and bad, in this thread. The writing isn't great, the child Leia character is a little annoying, and some of the acting is downright terrible (Flea, holy shit). But the story overall isn't bad. It's setting the stage for Leia's eventual cry for help to the man she believes can make the difference. It's conceptually sound, at least, and they haven't radically altered anyone's character to fit the current social climate or sell more toys or prop up new characters in their place. I actually like that they haven't had 30 lightsaber battles already. The original film didn't need a ton of lightsaber battles to be compelling, why should this show? I think we've grown too cynical when it comes to Star Wars. Perhaps rightfully so, but we need to keep perspective. Criticism is justified in places, but we also need to accept there's a place for things that are just 'fine,' a place between 'totally awesome' and 'complete trash.' It isn't high art and it isn't Mando, but it's a hell of a lot better than Boba Fett so far. A low bar, to be sure. But ask yourselves, has there been a Star Wars property that wasn't divisive among fans since ESB? It isn't great so far, but I'm willing to give it a chance to get better. It’s frustrating because you can see a that a good show could have been made but the potential is squandered. And Disney knows what sucks. It’s no coincidence that Leia was kept out of the trailers. We have people in the thread complaining that Leia is too fan servicey, while others are complaining they kept her out of the trailers because they knew her inclusion was lame. Everyone has their own opinion but both of those things cannot be objectively true at once. At the end of the day, we don't need this show. But if they're going to bother making it, they needed to give Kenobi something to do that ties in with the greater saga. He can't be drawing attention to himself on Tatooine, and we don't need yet another story set there anyway. They gave him something interesting to do and yeah, it's a bit fan servicey. But so is the existence of the show in the first place. I'm not going to defend it that much because I don't even think it's that great, and everyone is allowed their own opinion. I just think people are too quick to condemn every aspect of these shows because it's become fun/easy to criticize any Disney Star Wars content. I also agree with your previous comment that Star Wars doesn't always have to feel like it's aimed at children. Rogue One is one of my all time favorite Star Wars entries, and I'd love this show to have more of that kind of tone. Looks like we'll get it with Andor, but honestly, I don't know how many SW fans beyond myself (and possibly you) are looking for that. If anything, the tone of this show seems closer to a live action Clone Wars cartoon. Not terrible, but not really my cup of tea. Again, I don't want to defend Disney too much, they ruined SW with that scattershot bullshit sequel trilogy. But Mando proves they can get it right, and I want to give them some leeway with these shows. Bobs Fett was an abomination, no question, and not being as awful as that is hardly high praise. To me Kenobi is 'meh' so far, which most content on any platform is. It didn't start off on a high point, but I'd rather wait to see if it can get there than assume it's all downhill from here.
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Post by Power Ranger on May 31, 2022 13:22:18 GMT
It’s frustrating because you can see a that a good show could have been made but the potential is squandered. And Disney knows what sucks. It’s no coincidence that Leia was kept out of the trailers. We have people in the thread complaining that Leia is too fan servicey, while others are complaining they kept her out of the trailers because they knew her inclusion was lame. Everyone has their own opinion but both of those things cannot be objectively true at once. At the end of the day, we don't need this show. But if they're going to bother making it, they needed to give Kenobi something to do that ties in with the greater saga. He can't be drawing attention to himself on Tatooine, and we don't need yet another story set there anyway. They gave him something interesting to do and yeah, it's a bit fan servicey. But so is the existence of the show in the first place. I'm not going to defend it that much because I don't even think it's that great, and everyone is allowed their own opinion. I just think people are too quick to condemn every aspect of these shows because it's become fun/easy to criticize any Disney Star Wars content. I also agree with your previous comment that Star Wars doesn't always have to feel like it's aimed at children. Rogue One is one of my all time favorite Star Wars entries, and I'd love this show to have more of that kind of tone. Looks like we'll get it with Andor, but honestly, I don't know how many SW fans beyond myself (and possibly you) are looking for that. If anything, the tone of this show seems closer to a live action Clone Wars cartoon. Not terrible, but not really my cup of tea. Again, I don't want to defend Disney too much, they ruined SW with that scattershot bullshit sequel trilogy. But Mando proves they can get it right, and I want to give them some leeway with these shows. Bobs Fett was an abomination, no question, and not being as awful as that is hardly high praise. To me Kenobi is 'meh' so far, which most content on any platform is. It didn't start off on a high point, but I'd rather wait to see if it can get there than assume it's all downhill from here. I’m not sure that it needs to tie in to the saga. It could simply be an Obi-Wan adventure. I get that having Leia in trouble is an effective method of seeing Obi-Wan spring into action. But Leia herself is just so Disney. The plucky precocious child is not necessary. There are many films with children as central figures but they didn’t need so much dialogue or screen time. They’re children and children are impotent in such stories. But we will have to deal with the obligatory scenes with Leia where half the time I can predict exactly how she will react or even say. It’s just bland and tired. We should be spared from that. She should be a character who doesn’t talk much and then what she does say can be more impactful. We didn’t need the scenes where we’re introduced to her, or even when she’s kidnapped. Just have Bail turn up in Tattoine and that’s it. Fill that precious time up with more plot and worldbuilding. I fear that Disney, through all their failures, are trying to stick to whatever has worked. In this case the ‘Lone Wolf and Cub’ formula. That’s why Grogu has to inexplicably remain with Mando and Leia may be the cub to Obi-Wan. But Leia ain’t no Grogu and anyway Mando should be off on other adventures. But Disney is too cynical to have faith in new formulas that they’re going to stick with whatever they think works and it’s going to be too safe and bland.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on May 31, 2022 13:43:46 GMT
We have people in the thread complaining that Leia is too fan servicey, while others are complaining they kept her out of the trailers because they knew her inclusion was lame. Everyone has their own opinion but both of those things cannot be objectively true at once. At the end of the day, we don't need this show. But if they're going to bother making it, they needed to give Kenobi something to do that ties in with the greater saga. He can't be drawing attention to himself on Tatooine, and we don't need yet another story set there anyway. They gave him something interesting to do and yeah, it's a bit fan servicey. But so is the existence of the show in the first place. I'm not going to defend it that much because I don't even think it's that great, and everyone is allowed their own opinion. I just think people are too quick to condemn every aspect of these shows because it's become fun/easy to criticize any Disney Star Wars content. I also agree with your previous comment that Star Wars doesn't always have to feel like it's aimed at children. Rogue One is one of my all time favorite Star Wars entries, and I'd love this show to have more of that kind of tone. Looks like we'll get it with Andor, but honestly, I don't know how many SW fans beyond myself (and possibly you) are looking for that. If anything, the tone of this show seems closer to a live action Clone Wars cartoon. Not terrible, but not really my cup of tea. Again, I don't want to defend Disney too much, they ruined SW with that scattershot bullshit sequel trilogy. But Mando proves they can get it right, and I want to give them some leeway with these shows. Bobs Fett was an abomination, no question, and not being as awful as that is hardly high praise. To me Kenobi is 'meh' so far, which most content on any platform is. It didn't start off on a high point, but I'd rather wait to see if it can get there than assume it's all downhill from here. I’m not sure that it needs to tie in to the saga. It could simply be an Obi-Wan adventure. I get that having Leia in trouble is an effective method of seeing Obi-Wan spring into action. But Leia herself is just so Disney. The plucky precocious child is not necessary. There are many films with children as central figures but they didn’t need so much dialogue or screen time. They’re children and children are impotent in such stories. But we will have to deal with the obligatory scenes with Leia where half the time I can predict exactly how she will react or even say. It’s just bland and tired. We should be spared from that. She should be a character who doesn’t talk much and then what she does say can be more impactful. We didn’t need the scenes where we’re introduced to her, or even when she’s kidnapped. Just have Bail turn up in Tattoine and that’s it. Fill that precious time up with more plot and worldbuilding. I fear that Disney, through all their failures, are trying to stick to whatever has worked. In this case the ‘Lone Wolf and Cub’ formula. That’s why Grogu has to inexplicably remain with Mando and Leia may be the cub to Obi-Wan. But Leia ain’t no Grogu and anyway Mando should be off on other adventures. But Disney is too cynical to have faith in new formulas that they’re going to stick with whatever they think works and it’s going to be too safe and bland. I hear you, the formula approach is lazy and it gets stale pretty quick. I'm hoping the season is about more than just this plotline, we'll have to wait and see. I couldn't believe the terrible direction in the scene where Leia was kidnapped, it was laughably bad.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on May 31, 2022 14:13:03 GMT
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Post by Power Ranger on May 31, 2022 14:19:26 GMT
That will protect them from criticism of poor scriptwriting and characterisation. Just divert to anti-racism. Who can argue with that?
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Post by Power Ranger on May 31, 2022 14:23:40 GMT
I just wish the plots were more complex. It’s about time SW aimed for something more. But they cynically think that most SW fans are simpletons. I’m sure that kids like it, but I think there is no reason why scripts can’t simultaneously stimulate both adults and children. It sucks because the D+ Star Wars looks good enough. But again shoddy writing let’s us down. Why don’t you guys vote with your wallet and cancel? As long as they get and keep subs they’ll keep churning this garbage out. If enough people cancel then maybe we’ll finally see this franchise return to the big screen where it belongs, and Disney will actually put some effort into making something good. I’m considering it. But they know that we’re not going to miss a SW show. So they don’t need or want to please us. It’s newer audiences that they to court. They should just respect them more than pander to them.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2022 17:05:24 GMT
Why don’t you guys vote with your wallet and cancel? As long as they get and keep subs they’ll keep churning this garbage out. If enough people cancel then maybe we’ll finally see this franchise return to the big screen where it belongs, and Disney will actually put some effort into making something good. I’m considering it. But they know that we’re not going to miss a SW show. So they don’t need or want to please us. It’s newer audiences that they to court. They should just respect them more than pander to them. People need to understand that Star Wars is nothing but a brand name now. How long will fans be attracted to something that hasn’t had an ounce of originality since 2005? Something that hasn’t been high quality since the early 80s. The original soul of this franchise is long long gone and all that’s left is the name and the iconography, which is now churned out by people who either don’t understand it or don’t have the talent to reach the bar set by Lucas. How many mediocre tv shows can people sit through before they realize this? I honestly don’t get it.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 1, 2022 6:03:29 GMT
I’m considering it. But they know that we’re not going to miss a SW show. So they don’t need or want to please us. It’s newer audiences that they to court. They should just respect them more than pander to them. People need to understand that Star Wars is nothing but a brand name now. How long will fans be attracted to something that hasn’t had an ounce of originality since 2005? Something that hasn’t been high quality since the early 80s. The original soul of this franchise is long long gone and all that’s left is the name and the iconography, which is now churned out by people who either don’t understand it or don’t have the talent to reach the bar set by Lucas. How many mediocre tv shows can people sit through before they realize this? I honestly don’t get it. Some of The Mandalorian was quite good. So it’s possible that it can be good. I’m not surprised by the devotion by fans. Such is the legacy of the original trilogy. They’re willing to accept a lot of BS before they give up on it. And it’s not like Disney+ is expensive.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 1, 2022 13:13:05 GMT
Episode 3 had some good scenes. Still it’s not hard to include some money shots and appease SW fans. But yeah it’s interesting enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 15:39:17 GMT
People need to understand that Star Wars is nothing but a brand name now. How long will fans be attracted to something that hasn’t had an ounce of originality since 2005? Something that hasn’t been high quality since the early 80s. The original soul of this franchise is long long gone and all that’s left is the name and the iconography, which is now churned out by people who either don’t understand it or don’t have the talent to reach the bar set by Lucas. How many mediocre tv shows can people sit through before they realize this? I honestly don’t get it. Some of The Mandalorian was quite good. So it’s possible that it can be good. I’m not surprised by the devotion by fans. Such is the legacy of the original trilogy. They’re willing to accept a lot of BS before they give up on it. And it’s not like Disney+ is expensive. I understand the appeal of The Mandalorian but it’s basically a live action cartoon with the writing quality of a cheap cable show. Hardly the high bar people make it out to be. I’m a pretty big original trilogy fan, but it really didn’t take long to realize that the magic and creative soul is long gone. If the sequel trilogy wasn’t proof of that, then Boba Fett and Obi Wan surely are. How long can fans pretend otherwise? And yes, DisneyFlix may be cheap, but that’s no reason to throw away your hard earned money to a conglomerate that has nothing of value to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 17:34:47 GMT
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 1, 2022 18:29:38 GMT
Yeah that was pretty ridiculous.
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 1, 2022 18:31:17 GMT
Episode 3 had some good scenes. Still it’s not hard to include some money shots and appease SW fans. But yeah it’s interesting enough. Well it's always great to see Darth Vader. His voice also sounded better than in Rogue One.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jun 1, 2022 19:10:43 GMT
I feel like an asshole because i see people enjoying and being excited by this show and I'm just not feeling it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2022 19:45:43 GMT
I feel like an asshole because i see people enjoying and being excited by this show and I'm just not feeling it. YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!!!!!123456789 Nah, it’s just proof that you’re not a mindless shill.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 1, 2022 21:57:42 GMT
Some of The Mandalorian was quite good. So it’s possible that it can be good. I’m not surprised by the devotion by fans. Such is the legacy of the original trilogy. They’re willing to accept a lot of BS before they give up on it. And it’s not like Disney+ is expensive. I understand the appeal of The Mandalorian but it’s basically a live action cartoon with the writing quality of a cheap cable show. Hardly the high bar people make it out to be. I’m a pretty big original trilogy fan, but it really didn’t take long to realize that the magic and creative soul is long gone. If the sequel trilogy wasn’t proof of that, then Boba Fett and Obi Wan surely are. How long can fans pretend otherwise? And yes, DisneyFlix may be cheap, but that’s no reason to throw away your hard earned money to a conglomerate that has nothing of value to offer. Yeah, Mando isn’t good. I wouldn’t watch it more than once.
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Post by DarkManX on Jun 1, 2022 22:42:15 GMT
Obi-Wan is alright. It's not great, but I like it better than The Book of Boba Fett already and I'm curious to see where it goes. Episode 3 has been the best so far; Darth Vader's characterization is spot on. The girl playing Leia isn't the best child actor I've seen, but she isn't as bad as the child actors TV shows usually get.
I'd like Star Wars to focus more on original characters as opposed to preestablished ones. In fact, I'd like them to get away from the original trilogy and the empire. I'd like to see a series set hundreds of years after episode IX in a time and place where they can do whatever they want without restrictions.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 2, 2022 0:00:45 GMT
What’s with the respect for droids thing? It’s like they’re going for Bladerunner for retards.
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Post by Jan El Señor on Jun 2, 2022 1:18:13 GMT
Episode 3 had some good scenes. Still it’s not hard to include some money shots and appease SW fans. But yeah it’s interesting enough. Well it's always great to see Darth Vader. His voice also sounded better than in Rogue One. rumor is that he didn’t actually do the performance but it was artificially made using his voice like the did for Hamill in Mando and BOBF
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 2, 2022 1:24:54 GMT
Why did Obiwan surrender to a few stormtroopers with blasters?
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