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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jul 6, 2022 18:15:12 GMT
The Batman was an excellent movie. Probably the best movie I've seen in a while. I really think it should be the future for the cinematic DC world. Right now just let Matt Reeves focus on the sequel, but I also think they should be hiring writers to brainstorm how they can spin a Superman movie off of this one. I'd love to see how they could bring Superman into this particular world. I think they should just let the current DCEU die. I think it's worth making Wonder Woman 3, and then maybe Aquaman 3 if 2 is a success. However, after that just let it go. Ezra Miller has pretty much killed his future as The Flash. I think they should just send his film quietly to HBO Max. If the Superman spinoff of The Batman is successful they can try spinning off The Flash from there.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 6, 2022 19:03:44 GMT
The problem with the Batman... is that you can't have too many movies like it, as it's a tricky formula that isn't forgiving if you don't quite get it right. It might work for Batman but no way do I see it working with characters like Superman, Wonder Woman or Aquaman.
The best thing for DC/WB to do right now is cancel WW3 and focus instead on making MOS2 with Cavill. Then they can do smaller crossover movies like a WW/Aquaman movie or Battinson and Superman. Help get them to a major crossover where they can start adding in Black Adam and Shazam and whoever new Flash they cast.
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 6, 2022 20:20:28 GMT
The problem with the Batman... is that you can't have too many movies like it, as it's a tricky formula that isn't forgiving if you don't quite get it right. It might work for Batman but no way do I see it working with characters like Superman, Wonder Woman or Aquaman. The best thing for DC/WB to do right now is cancel WW3 and focus instead on making MOS2 with Cavill. Then they can do smaller crossover movies like a WW/Aquaman movie or Battinson and Superman. Help get them to a major crossover where they can start adding in Black Adam and Shazam and whoever new Flash they cast. I don't think MOS2 would even do as well now as it did in 2016 when it was called BvS. Even with the success of ZSJL, the interest in another standalone Cavill movie seems pretty niche and dwindling. A bare bones gritty Superman like Batman probably wouldn't work any more than trying to Nolanize Superman, but the writing's on the wall for a reboot. |
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Post by thisguy4000 on Jul 6, 2022 21:35:04 GMT
We don’t need a Superman movie set in Matt Reeves’ world. With that said, a Superman reboot is much more likely than Henry Cavill getting another film. I just wish we could get a clear indication on what the hell WB’s plans are for Superman. Last I heard is that the Ta-Nehisi Coates project is still a thing, but that it’s supposedly being retooled so it’s no longer a period piece with a black Superman, which would beg the question of why they can’t just get a different writer altogether.
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Post by politicidal on Jul 6, 2022 21:53:34 GMT
We don’t need a Superman movie set in Matt Reeves’ world. With that said, a Superman reboot is much more likely than Henry Cavill getting another film. I just wish we could get a clear indication on what the hell WB’s plans are for Superman. Last I heard is that the Ta-Nehisi Coates project is still a thing, but that it’s supposedly being retooled so it’s no longer a period piece with a black Superman, which would beg the question of why they can’t just get a different writer altogether. *shrugs* It's WB.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 7, 2022 0:23:21 GMT
I think I heard that this Batman series will not be part of a greater DC film universe. That’s fine with me. DC doesn’t need to follow the MCU model. There can be two Batmans simultaneously.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 7, 2022 0:27:55 GMT
The problem with the Batman... is that you can't have too many movies like it, as it's a tricky formula that isn't forgiving if you don't quite get it right. It might work for Batman but no way do I see it working with characters like Superman, Wonder Woman or Aquaman. The best thing for DC/WB to do right now is cancel WW3 and focus instead on making MOS2 with Cavill. Then they can do smaller crossover movies like a WW/Aquaman movie or Battinson and Superman. Help get them to a major crossover where they can start adding in Black Adam and Shazam and whoever new Flash they cast. I don't think MOS2 would even do as well now as it did in 2016 when it was called BvS. Even with the success of ZSJL, the interest in another standalone Cavill movie seems pretty niche and dwindling. A bare bones gritty Superman like Batman probably wouldn't work any more than trying to Nolanize Superman, but the writing's on the wall for a reboot. BVS was not MOS2. It was a cashgrab by DC/WB to fast track it's shared multiverse in an attempt to catch up to the MCU. I'm talking about a proper sequel to MOS, same way you got WW2 and Aquaman 2. The interest in MOS2 is a lot higher than the interest for Blue Beetle or Batgirl or even The Flash. Heck, it might even be more well received than WW3. Cavill as Superman is something a lot of people want to see again, just with maybe not Snyder at the helm. Give him a competent director who can actually make a decent story.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 1:08:17 GMT
I don’t know if I care all that much about crossover projects with DC. No matter how they play it will feel redundant next to the McU.
What I do want is directors as good as Reeves who get the other characters and can adapt them just as well in a style that suits them.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 7, 2022 4:38:10 GMT
I still think the Joaquin Phoenix Joker should face the Robert Pattinson Batman. Their worlds seem consistent enough. But the Joker in The Batman was good too.
The Joaquin Phoenix Joker would need to be more formidable though and perhaps a Joker sequel could have established that but I guess that Joker isn’t the Reeves’ Joker, and that ship has sailed.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 7, 2022 4:43:09 GMT
We don’t need a Superman movie set in Matt Reeves’ world. With that said, a Superman reboot is much more likely than Henry Cavill getting another film. I just wish we could get a clear indication on what the hell WB’s plans are for Superman. Last I heard is that the Ta-Nehisi Coates project is still a thing, but that it’s supposedly being retooled so it’s no longer a period piece with a black Superman, which would beg the question of why they can’t just get a different writer altogether. They should make Superman with the same music and costume as the 1978 film. There is no good reason not to. It needn’t be a sequel to those films, but they don’t need to cover the origin again, at least not at length. Give us an established Superman with the classic costume and with music adapted from the early films and it’s a no-brainer that it will be a success. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jul 8, 2022 5:24:15 GMT
I don't think MOS2 would even do as well now as it did in 2016 when it was called BvS. Even with the success of ZSJL, the interest in another standalone Cavill movie seems pretty niche and dwindling. A bare bones gritty Superman like Batman probably wouldn't work any more than trying to Nolanize Superman, but the writing's on the wall for a reboot. BVS was not MOS2. It was a cashgrab by DC/WB to fast track it's shared multiverse in an attempt to catch up to the MCU. I'm talking about a proper sequel to MOS, same way you got WW2 and Aquaman 2. The interest in MOS2 is a lot higher than the interest for Blue Beetle or Batgirl or even The Flash. Heck, it might even be more well received than WW3. Cavill as Superman is something a lot of people want to see again, just with maybe not Snyder at the helm. Give him a competent director who can actually make a decent story. Some of these boards are like Groundhog Day. Snyder is on record saying bringing in Batman to fight was his idea. Every element of the plot is a direct continuation of MoS' story, to the point that MoS 2: The Second Try doesn't even have anything left to build off of. And more interest than Blue Beatle isn't saying much. A lot of people want more Cavill but without Snyder? That doesn't even make sense to me. Cavill's Superman was a blank, brooding action figure Snyder used to break things. Using him to any other capacity (like Whedon did) and he feels like a completely different character. Anyone who liked his take liked it because of what Snyder did. And I don't see nearly the cult following for Cavill that I do for Snyder, unless Snyder lost some fans after directly comparing Geeks and Gamers and by extension people like them to the Asian spa killer. |
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jul 9, 2022 7:26:47 GMT
The problem with the Batman... is that you can't have too many movies like it, as it's a tricky formula that isn't forgiving if you don't quite get it right. It might work for Batman but no way do I see it working with characters like Superman, Wonder Woman or Aquaman. The best thing for DC/WB to do right now is cancel WW3 and focus instead on making MOS2 with Cavill. Then they can do smaller crossover movies like a WW/Aquaman movie or Battinson and Superman. Help get them to a major crossover where they can start adding in Black Adam and Shazam and whoever new Flash they cast. I really very much enjoyed Man of Steel. I thought Cavill did a good job as Superman. Then BvS came along and it was just bad. Honestly really bad. Justice League was better but still not very good. I think those films just left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Honestly I’m convinced Justice League flopped because of how much viewers hated BvS. It’s not impossible but I think coming back from that for Cavill will be very hard. He has his fans but overall I don’t think audiences really care at this point in time to see him play Superman again. For me a reboot is really the best way to go. Also, I get what you mean about The Batman being unique. I don’t think a Superman spinoff would have to be a clone or even follow the same format. Just be in the same vein as The Batman. |
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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jul 11, 2022 2:38:38 GMT
I think I heard that this Batman series will not be part of a greater DC film universe. That’s fine with me. DC doesn’t need to follow the MCU model. There can be two Batmans simultaneously. You know what would be kinda cool at least for me? What if Todd Phillips made his Joker universe a trilogy. I know they are planning a second with Harley Quinn. After that what if they did a 3rd film with an adult Batman squaring off against Joaquin Phoenix’s joker? They could tell it from the jokers POV and make it lower budget/gritty as well as R rated. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 15, 2022 17:17:54 GMT
From Zaslav:
“I think over the next few years, you’re going to see a lot of growth and opportunity around DC, there’s not going to be four Batmans. And so part of our strategy is drive the hell out of DC, which James and Peter are going to do. I think they’ve thrilled the fans. I think they’re going to thrill you over a period of time.”
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