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Post by thebayharborbutcher on Jan 19, 2021 18:32:32 GMT
So, anyone watch this? I could barely get into it the first season, but I think I'm starting to like it in the second season (with exception to the super-corny moments like Lucifer singing and having that kid on the show). I heard there's a third season upcoming, so I hope it continues to improve. Where all the Lucifer fans at? I recently started watching it on Netflix after hearing about it for a while. I was initially kinda reluctant because I'm not really a big police procedural fan. But so far I'm really enjoying it. I really like the cast and characters. They do a really nice job blending weekly stories with ongoing stories. The show is cheesy but they make the cheesiness work for them. It also helps that Lauren German is just stunning to look at.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 20, 2021 12:48:06 GMT
Just finished watching episodes 2, 3 & 4 from Season 4. Episode 2 - 'Somebody's Been Reading Dante's Inferno'. It started with a flashback to Chloe researching Lucifer in books and showed how she met the priest (I'm still trying to get used to Graham McTavish not sounding like his Scottish self as he did in Outlander). I was a bit surprised that the vial he gave Chloe to slip into something Lucifer would drink was apparently just a sedative, as I was expecting it to be poison that would kill him (though if it were strong enough to kill a regular human, with Chloe around making Lucifer vulnerable, technically it should kill him too. I wasn't real clear on that part). Anyway, it was the reason for why she agreed to a date with Lucifer. I found Ella had become annoying again in this episode (after initially finding her annoying, then coming around to not-minding her last season), especially with all the reality show stuff (I can't fathom why people like that crap). She was just at her over-talkative, 'quirky' worst this episode, I felt. I'm also disappointed she's apparently given up her faith, or at least taken a 'break' from it (due to Charlotte's death last season), as she's apparently not going to Mass on Sundays anymore. I still like her better than Maze, though. While Dr. Linda was acting hyper and fainted, Maze was miffed and whining about not feeling welcome at Chloe’s place and I can't say I blame Chloe for lying to Maze about Trixie not having forgiven her for the way she treated her last season. Chloe's just found out the Devil is real, and not only that but angels and demons as well, plus she was already protective of her daughter before all that, so it makes sense she wouldn't want her kid hanging out with a demon who has a habit of losing her temper and turning on those she's supposedly 'friends' with simply out of jealousy. Boo-frickin'-hoo, Maze. You're a 'badass' demon and you're upset because you found out Chloe doesn't exactly trust you anymore. You get no sympathy from me. When Lucifer regretted asking what Amenadiel's deal was and him going on about trying to find purpose after deciding to stay on Earth or whatever, I was right there with Lucifer. Amenadiel tends to bore me...but he's still miles better than Maze, who makes me feel stabby. We were treated to a montage of him trying to fit in or whatever it was he was doing that involved him kicking some kids' ball WAY too far (how did no one see this, other than the kids, and remark on how unnatural it was?), creeping out a woman on her laptop, then getting stolen from when he tried to help a hobo. That made me feel at least somewhat sorry for him (which is more than I'll ever feel for Maze). Lucifer’s obsession of the episode was him wanting to go on a date, which became a bit annoying (as his obsessions each episode often do), but one part that amused me was his impatience at Chloe arresting who they believed was the murderer of the episode and him rushing to do it himself (complete with handcuffs he took from Chloe) whilst yelling, "Just admit it so I can go on my bloody date!". I watched a deleted scene for this episode on my DVDs and it gave me pause when he was making a list of things Chloe was afraid of (in preparation for their date) and she didn't really give him an answer to his asking about monkeys (which he put down as a 'maybe'), considering she calls Trixie 'monkey' (or at least she used to). Why would she give her daughter a pet name that's an animal she's maybe afraid of? Obviously Chloe was stalling the date because she wasn't really comfortable doing what the priest wanted (even after he'd attempted to convince her there's a reason Lucifer's often referred to as 'the Prince of Lies'). When they eventually had their date, I was happy that FINALLY we were getting Chloe asking Lucifer questions about him being the Devil. He mentioned how he hadn't killed a human until Pierce/Cain, he said how torturing in Hell was just 'a job', and assured her that he doesn't bite the heads off children. I loved his answer of "Uh, no. Of course not. I detest the little creatures. And I'd certainly never put one in my mouth." (can't fault his reasoning). It looked like she was going to use the sedative, but the loud music Lucifer turned on gave her a fright and consequently she broke the glass she was going to pour it into. Despite this^, later on when she saw him in a cabin that exploded, her reaction/crying out showed she wasn't wanting him to die after all. Naturally, he emerged from the explosion completely fine (including his clothes?), she was astonished and wondered how he could walk away from that unscathed but bled from cutting himself on broken glass, and he finally told her it’s her that makes him vulnerable. Out of all the reveals - her finding out he's the Devil, angels and demons being real, the extent of Lucifer's powers, etc - THIS was the one I'd waited for so long to see Chloe learn about the most. It makes a BIG difference to all that's happened before now that she knows he could've died when near her. There was a good scene between the two of them later on after he stepped in front of an axe that was being hurled at her by the actual murderer of the episode (luckily, it just got Lucifer's jacket). Both Tom Ellis and Lauren German did really well conveying all the thoughts/feelings going on between them there, especially what was not being said. This^ seemed to be enough to convince her that Lucifer really wasn't what the priest was trying to make out he was and she informed him that she couldn't help him...so then he went to Lucifer's place himself and looked like he was going to make out Chloe was behind the plot to send him back to Hell (whilst claiming innocence as far as his part in it was concerned). Other random things in this episode: Dr. Linda’s apparently pregnant with Amenadiel’s kid (does this mean it'll be a Nephilim, since it's the offspring of an angel and a human?). Dan doesn’t want to go on some male bonding thing with Amenadiel (I guess he's lumping him in along with Lucifer as being somehow to blame for Charlotte's death? I'm not sure) and moves away from Lucifer's desk as far as he can get because he's sick of him. I can't blame Dan for being over Lucifer's shtick of always insulting him, but it's a shame that things have kind of gone backwards after it seemed they'd made some progress last season. I noticed the use of the words ‘asshole’ and ‘shit’ in this episode, so maybe Netflix did allow them to get away with a bit more than they did on the original network they were on (as I couldn't recall hearing either word used in the previous three seasons...though maybe I just forgot). I quickly got sick of Lucifer's overuse of the word 'balls', though, and the double entendre that went with it. Episode 3 - 'O, Ye of Little Faith, Father'. As I suspected he would, the priest makes out that Chloe found him (when in fact it was the reverse) and is the one who wants to send Lucifer back to Hell. He says she's deluded and believes Lucifer's the actual Devil, and that he should watch himself/be careful around her (BAD priest for lying!). Lucifer catches Chloe in a lie about her knowing the priest, finds the vial of sedative in her purse and he takes it personally that she lied to him (after he's always maintained that he never lied to her). The best part of the episode was her confession scene to him later on, where she admitted to thinking about using the vial for a second, but she didn't want to send him to Hell. Obviously, as a regular human being she's struggling with the revelation of not only Lucifer being the literal Devil, but also everything else. I've seen people's comments giving her crap about this because of all the times he's saved her. Firstly, how many of those times was she actually conscious and even knows about? I think, for instance, if she'd been awake as he sheltered her from bullets with his wings in last season's final, that might've given her a different perspective on things. And secondly, she's just a normal person and this is some major stuff she's having to adjust to, it's also very 'human' for her to not adjust well. It's not the same as when Dr. Linda found out, as she was just casually boning him, whereas Chloe was having real deep/true feelings for him and then he becomes a completely different person to her. And I guess that's the reason why Lucifer seems to be holding a grudge against her a lot longer than he did against Maze (who also betrayed/tried to kill him last season) - because he loves Chloe and thus this is more 'personal' for him. Certain people like to diss Lauren German and her acting abilities, but I thought in this scene especially she proved all the haters wrong. She conveyed so many conflicting emotions going on within Chloe and how she was struggling not to completely lose it as they came pouring out of her with her confession. She says she's a 'nobody' and asks what she's supposed to do with all the stories from the beginning of time making out Lucifer’s evil incarnate. The really telling moment was when she yelled "I'm TERRIFIED!". Lauren German totally sold that line, I thought. Tom Ellis was good too, and I can understand Lucifer's feelings...but I hope this anger he has towards Chloe doesn't last too long, as at least she has a reasonable excuse for her reaction (whereas Maze's excuse for betraying/trying to kill him last season was petty jealousy over Lucifer caring more about Chloe than her). Speaking of... Other less interesting things going on in this episode: Amenadiel and the baby stuff with Dr. Linda = blah (though him asking her to marry him and immediately reopening the ring box after she closed it and said 'no' was amusing). Babies ruin every show ever! DO. NOT. WANT. When Maze asked Dan who 'pissed in his Cheerios', I thought that was pretty rich coming from her since that's the way she seems to act herself most of the time. Naturally, she's encouraging him to do the wrong thing and likes 'Darker Dan'. Can't say this pairing interests me in the slightest. Also...what colour is her hair now? Pink? Grey? Talk about a random change. I'm still not liking that Ella has seemingly lost her faith and that she removed her cross she's always worn after she said she was taking a break (I'm not sure that's how faith/belief in God works) and Dan pointed it out to her. I hope she manages to believe once again (could be when/if she finds out about Lucifer, learning the Devil is real makes he regret abandoning God since he too must be real). Last episode there were a couple of cuss words I wasn't expecting, and this episode we were treated to a gory death from the guy who impaled his own head on a sharp object. I know this show has had violence here and there previously, but this felt particularly nasty (maybe I'd just forgotten previous gruesome things that had happened). I was amused when it was stated by whoever that Lucifer made cases of the week all about himself, since that's what the show regularly does - whatever the case may be, Lucifer always seems to find some way of drawing comparisons between what happened/the victims/the killers and whatever's going on with him or him/Chloe. He really does like to make it all about himself. Things got interesting at the end of the episode. Earlier on we'd learned from the priest that not only is there a ritual to permanently keep Lucifer stuck in Hell (which he told Chloe about), but then after he was in jail he also mentioned a prophecy about the Devil walking the Earth and if he gets with his 'first love', it'll bring evil...or somesuch. Cue the introduction of Inbar Lavi as Eve (not that she mentions her name, but it's pretty obvious due to her ordering an 'appletini'). Huzzah! She's arrived! It's good to see her in this show immediately after having finished the second (and final) season of Imposters, which she also starred in. More Inbar Lavi is always welcome. Episode 4 - 'All About 'Eve'. It was a bit weird seeing Chloe on a case without Lucifer and obviously the other characters thought so too. Dan, of course, couldn't be happier, while Ella tried to get Chloe to 'fess up about what had happened between them. I was amused by her interpretation of Dan signaling for her to cut out asking Chloe about Lucifer. Thankfully, Ella was slightly more tolerable in this episode than she'd been the last couple. I also didn't mind Chloe and Dan teaming up, as even though he mightn't be as 'fun' as Lucifer, I think he's actually someone who 'gets' Chloe in a way Lucifer probably doesn't. I can totally see how they would've been perfect for each other in the past and at times I think he'd be the better 'fit' for her as he doesn't have all the baggage and whatnot that Lucifer does. Still, he can be a jerk at times, but at least he's tolerable. Unlike Maze, who continued to annoy me with her petty whininess about not feeling welcome at Chloe's place. At best, she only ever seemed to barely tolerate Chloe and consequently I never bought them as 'friends' (it always seemed so one-sided). Chloe does so much apologising to Maze (despite actually not really doing anything to warrant the hate she gets from her - just like the unwarranted hate Chloe the character and Lauren German get from certain 'fans' of the show), but I don't think I've heard Maze apologise to her once for all the crap she's done and said to Chloe. I often think she's on the brink of wanting to kill Chloe, and wouldn't that piss Lucifer off? He might kill Maze in a fit of rage and I'd be rid of the one character on this show I can't stand. Anyway, of course Maze can never utter a positive word towards Chloe, so it was all "you're too weak", etc in regards to her not handling knowing the truth about Lucifer so well. When she snidely remarked that Dr. Linda handled it a lot better, I thought that was unfair (but then, she always is towards Chloe), as it was different circumstances. One good thing to come from that^ scene was Chloe talking to Dr. Linda, as I couldn't recall them having many one-on-one scenes together previously (they may have done and I just forgot). I enjoyed seeing Chloe be able to talk to someone about everything going on and it being someone who could react like a normal human being (since she *is* a normal human being). I wish they could've talked more about how knowing Lucifer was the really real Devil affected both of them, but then annoyingly it shifted to Dr. Linda going on about her angel baby - which I care nothing about. The whole pregnancy storyline just seems to be an excuse to keep Amenadiel on Earth and give him some purpose - ie. taking care of 'A-mini-diel' as he put it. I personally am already over it all, but at least it got Maze away from Chloe. I guess it was supposed to be 'amusing' how Maze hurt the woman doctor performing the ultrasound on Dr. Linda, but it continues to annoy me how Maze never suffers any consequences for her using violence everywhere to solve everything all the time. No one ever presses charges or anything, she just gets away scot-free. She's like a comic book character - gets to be all 'badass', kicks arse and looks/acts 'cool'...but realistically would never get away with half the stuff she does. I'd like to see her taken down a peg or two at some point, as she is all about the guilt-tripping Chloe but is never made to feel guilty herself about anything she does. Or if she is, it doesn't last long. The most entertaining part of the episode was everything involving Eve. Inbar Lavi is a complete delight as this character. After having just watched her in Season 2/the final season of Imposters, it was a bit of a surprise to hear her putting on a somewhat different-sounding voice to what she used in that show. Here she seemed to be going for a slightly higher-pitched, more 'innocent'-sounding voice...this is despite the fact that Eve doesn't seem quite so innocent, since she acts a lot more like Lucifer than Chloe. She's also super-eager to do some literal ball-busting, which she finally got to do when she was taken hostage towards the end, though I thought for sure it was going to happen during the bar fight earlier. Speaking of, that was quite the entertaining fight, complete with Eve not only seemingly being turned on by watching Lucifer do his thing, but also participating herself (and finding an ally in a bar waitress who helped her out. I loved their high-five with each other). Of course, Chloe turned up and Lucifer sustained an injury (this was after having earlier gotten shot point-blank in the face and shaking it off). I might've been mistaken, but after he took the pool cue out of his shoulder and stormed off in a huff, I thought I noticed a lack of blood on the back of his jacket even though the pool cue had gone all the way through and stuck out the other side (if so, BAD continuity!). It was a tad predictable that just as Chloe finally worked out her feelings towards Lucifer (ie. coming to the realisation that no matter how she felt about him being the Devil, she would still rather have him in her life than not) and went to tell him, she'd walk in on him and Eve getting close. And I think it's a bit unfair to compare Eve seemingly accepting Lucifer's Devil face to Chloe having trouble doing so, since Eve had been in Heaven forever and has probably seen all manner of things and it's likely not as off-putting for her. I mean, she'd known Lucifer was the Devil all this time, whereas Chloe had only recently learned the truth. Clearly this was intended to show that Eve is a 'better' person than Chloe, but I don't hold the fact that she had trouble looking at Lucifer's Devil face against Chloe. She acted like any normal person would. Things are about to get very interesting, it seems.
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Post by mmexis on Jan 22, 2021 2:41:33 GMT
Well, I finally started Season 4 of Lucifer on DVD (though it didn't take nearly as long this time between me watching seasons as it did between Seasons 2 & 3). Just finished the Season 4 premiere episode 'Everything's Okay'. When the episode began with Lucifer singing Radiohead's 'Creep', I thought my DVD was glitching for a minute because it appeared as though the scene was flickering and I was seeing quick shots of things...but then it became apparent this was intentional. What was that all about exactly? I was miffed that they didn't pick up where last season's final ended, showing us what happened immediately after Chloe seeing Lucifer's devil face. Instead we wasted time on Lucifer giving a bunch of cash and gold (as well as his trousers) to the guy I only vaguely recalled from the start of last season (if Lucifer had referenced him, I wouldn't have remembered). I was annoyed by Maze pretty much immediately, since she was so flippant about betraying and trying to kill Lucifer last season. She reached all-time high on the intolerable scale last season and now I just spend every moment she's onscreen wishing for her to be off it. Thankfully, things improved somewhat once Chloe finally showed up, thanks to Lucifer's amusing reaction to her - ie. staring at her - as she seemed relatively at ease when around him (at first it seemed like she was simply ignoring him/pretending he wasn't there). They had me going for a minute in the later scene where Lucifer seemed to be revealing his true self to Ella, but then it became clear she still doesn't believe him (just like Chloe hadn't). I do wonder how long it'll take for her to learn the truth. I imagine either her or Dan will be the next to find out. Speaking of Dan, I see he's still smarting over Charlotte death (*sniff* you will be missed on this show, Tricia Helfer!). Consequently he and Lucifer have reverted to their old Season 1 dynamic, which is a tad disappointing since they'd seemed to make progress towards not disliking each other so much last season. While I understand Dan's attitude, I hope he's not just going to be grumpy the entire season. Doesn't make for fun viewing. And while Amenadiel still seems to have no real clear point on this show, at least he did a nice thing for Dan and managing to convince him Charlotte's in Heaven. I was pretty pissed off that not only was Chloe so forgiving of Maze's behaviour last season, but apparently so was Trixie. It annoyed me that Maze didn't even bother apologising to Chloe (what did Chloe do wrong exactly besides being someone Lucifer cared about deeply? That's not her fault, yet Maze acts like it is). Hell, Chloe said "I'm sorry" to Maze, which was ridiculous. She doesn't owe her an apology. The supposedly 'badass' demon is actually just a very petty, jealous creature who only seemed to care about Trixie not hating her. She was forgiven WAY too easily for my taste. I'm, hoping she'll be less annoying than she was last season, but I'm not holding my breath. The most interesting stuff in this first episode of the season was finding out what Chloe really thought of Lucifer after having seen his true self. She put up a valiant effort in disguising her feelings, acting like it didn't really bother her that much. They even had another nice piano scene near the end. But then came the reveal of what was actually going on with Chloe, as she went into a church, had a breakdown (good job by Lauren German there, who isn't given enough credit by a certain portion of the fandom) and meeting up with a priest played by Graham McTavish (who I mainly knew as Dougal from Outlander). From their exchange, it sounds like he must've convinced her to play it cool so that Lucifer in unaware that they're going to attempt to...I'm not sure what exactly they think they can do to him, but I'm sure whatever their plan is, it isn't going to go well. I've already seen negative reactions to Chloe doing this, but people get so blinded by their love for the Lucifer character that they don't see she's reacting like any sane human being would. It might not be want we *want* to see her doing, but it's what any responsible person would (same with her lying to Maze about Trixie still being upset with her - it's just a parent wanting to keep her child safe from a DEMON. It's understandable). It was an interesting season premiere. I was surprised there were no F-bombs, though (I'd thought now that the show was on Netflix, they would let some drop. It almost seemed like it was going to happen at the start of the episode, but Lucifer was cut off mid-F-bomb by the show's title card/theme playing). Anyway, bring on the Inbar Lavi! I struggled through season one and have made it into season two. It's not a bad show, but not what I was hoping for, I guess. It's too procedural for me, I don't usually watch those, with a few exceptions. It feels like Castle, if Castle was the Devil. I hear it gets more interesting so we'll see. It took me a while to get into the show too, Lebowskidoo. I think it wasn't until I was a fair way into the series that I started really enjoying it (though there is some things that prevent me from truly loving it). I do think it gets 'better', though. Stick with it if you can. Chalice, the whole point of the radiohead thing was to show the passage of time. His beard grows throughout and he's in the endless loop of despair because (as we find out later in the episode) Chloe has gone away to process. I thought it was a great opening. And Tom Ellis singing is always a good thing....
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 22, 2021 11:31:48 GMT
Episode 5 - 'Expire Erect'. Well, the episode certainly began intriguingly enough, with Lucifer bleeding, Eve and Ella making out and Chloe convinced that a sandwich was the answer to whatever (I thought she might've been high or that they all did a bunch of drugs...but that turned out to not quite be the case). Of course then it showed how they reached this point and we were treated to Eve in her 'me costume'. Thank you, show! Those of us not into all the shirtless guy shots deserve something too. I was amused by Chloe walking in on Lucifer with his pants down and announcing to Eve about how 'Big Ben' (which he'd clarified meant him) was coming, complete with him saying "Dong!", and Chloe's reaction to it. It was a bit sad that she wanted him to help on a case but he refused. After his talk with Dr. Linda, however, his obsession this episode became about getting 'closure' and if I'd played a drinking game, taking a shot every time he mentioned it being his 'final case' with Chloe (in his effort to get closure), I would've be deader than Lucifer almost was, as he mentioned it SO many times. I get that he develops these things to obsess about every episode, but hearing him basically repeating the same stuff over and over again does get rather tiresome. Thankfully, things got a bit more entertaining as he said goodbye to all the people at the precinct. I was especially amused by the one he referred to as 'Rookie Joan', who he said he'd miss the most. Unfortunately, I found Ella was back to being annoying again this episode...or at least in the first half of it, anyway. She became tolerable, oddly enough, once Eve got her high. Speaking of drugs, it's somewhat amusing how Chloe, Dan and basically the whole police department are aware of Lucifer indulging his drug habits (even using evidence at crime scenes, as referenced by Ella in one of the previous episodes) but just let it slide (though that doesn't exactly paint them in a good light). Also funny was Chloe and Eve meeting. I appreciated the fact that it wasn't just amusing exchanges between them and that they had some actual proper conversations about Lucifer, his Devil face, etc. You could see the moment where Chloe decided on what she thought about the two of them being together, as she told Amenadiel towards the end of the episode she thought that the two of them were good together/right for each other. Speaking of Amenadiel, I liked how he informed her that Chloe dad was proud of her and it took her a second to realise he wasn't just saying that, but was actually someone who would know that for a fact (being an angel and all). I even liked her little "HA!" laugh when he mentioned her adjusting to finding out he was an angel (like that was her biggest revelation). I enjoyed them having a one-on-one scene together, as I'd thought when watching her one-on-one scene with Dr. Linda in a previous episode that she hadn't really had many with Amenadiel either...and hey presto! We got one. It was a nice scene, and I liked him commending her for prioritising Lucifer's happiness above her own feelings by basically giving Lucifer/Eve her blessing. More scenes with these^ two, please, and less scenes with Maze and Dan (as I think I've run out of ways to say how annoying I find her). Another interaction I did actually enjoy was Ella and Eve. They were fun together. It'll be interesting to see how Ella interacts with her when she's not high. I'm also hoping her "God doesn't exist" line that she said to Dan was just the result of being high (not only the drugs, but also nearly dying when having to defuse a bomb). I'm hoping if she learns the truth about Lucifer, that'll make her believe in God again. And for all the people who'd hated Chloe so far this season because of how she'd reacted to the truth about Lucifer, I think she proved this episode beyond a shadow of a doubt that she cares deeply about him when she was willing to sacrifice herself to protect him (even though I'm pretty sure covering him with her body wouldn't have actually done much had the bomb gone off - but, hey, it's the thought that counts). Sounds like Lucifer's willing to work with her again, which is good, as I always hate it when they're at odds with each other. A spanner was thrown in the works at the end, though, once Eve learned from Lucifer that Chloe is what makes him vulnerable and that was why he nearly died (one thing I've always wondered about the whole Chloe-making-Lucifer-vulnerable thing: if she moved far enough away from him...would he suddenly heal?). I imagine at first Eve will probably just try to keep Chloe away from him in a nice manner, but when that doesn't work, she may show she's not all sweetness and light. Other random things this episode: It was fun seeing Jessy Schram (who I know from her guest appearances in Veronica Mars, Once Upon A Time and other things) in this episode. Shame her character turned out to be bad. When Lucifer mentioned Dr. Linda and Amenadiel's 'teenage mutant ninja angel baby', it sounded familiar to me...and that's because Dean Winchester basically said the same thing in an episode of Supernatural. Maybe Lucifer's been bingeing the series? Episode 6 - 'Orgy Pants to Work'. **spoilers below** I have to say, I was pretty bored by this episode (and considering it featured orgies and nudist colonies, it takes quite a lot to make that seem boring). I wasn't interested in Amenadiel and his angel sister hunting for the angel baby mama only to end with Amenadiel revealing to his spear-happy sis that he was the father and didn't want any harm to come to the mother (though he did manage to get one amusing line when he asked her whether she was on Earth because she needed a break from Castiel singing, as that immediately made me picture Castiel from Supernatural singing). Nor was I interested in Maze's mummy issues or feeling 'left out' by Dr. Linda and Amenadiel. I only really paid attention to the stuff with Lucifer and Chloe, as I thought it was interesting how she confessed to him that although she'd basically given her blessing to him and Eve, she was uncomfortable with him flaunting it. As she said, though, she was happy that *he* was happy. I think it shows that she's not 'perfect' like some may claim, that she can want him happy whilst not liking how he's happy. It's very 'human' of her. Funniest line of the episode was his one when she woke him up after her confession while he was snoozing (obviously still in orgy mode). I enjoyed their chats in the car. I pretty much knew 'Rookie Joan' was doomed since she was a bit part character who'd suddenly been introduced out of nowhere but treated like she'd been there for a while, who was given a name, got some focus and was someone Lucifer liked. Sure enough, his letting the bad guy of the episode go led to her getting killed by the dude (so long, Rookie Joan! We hardly knew ye!). With Eve serving as the little metaphorical Devil on the actual Devil's shoulder, Lucifer decided to get down with his bad self and seemingly straight-up killed a human (which we've been told time and time again is a big no-no in this show as far as 'celestials' are concerned). So, it was a pretty yawn-worthy episode for me except for towards the end where it got mildly more interesting. Well, I finally started Season 4 of Lucifer on DVD (though it didn't take nearly as long this time between me watching seasons as it did between Seasons 2 & 3). Just finished the Season 4 premiere episode 'Everything's Okay'. When the episode began with Lucifer singing Radiohead's 'Creep', I thought my DVD was glitching for a minute because it appeared as though the scene was flickering and I was seeing quick shots of things...but then it became apparent this was intentional. What was that all about exactly? I was miffed that they didn't pick up where last season's final ended, showing us what happened immediately after Chloe seeing Lucifer's devil face. Instead we wasted time on Lucifer giving a bunch of cash and gold (as well as his trousers) to the guy I only vaguely recalled from the start of last season (if Lucifer had referenced him, I wouldn't have remembered). I was annoyed by Maze pretty much immediately, since she was so flippant about betraying and trying to kill Lucifer last season. She reached all-time high on the intolerable scale last season and now I just spend every moment she's onscreen wishing for her to be off it. Thankfully, things improved somewhat once Chloe finally showed up, thanks to Lucifer's amusing reaction to her - ie. staring at her - as she seemed relatively at ease when around him (at first it seemed like she was simply ignoring him/pretending he wasn't there). They had me going for a minute in the later scene where Lucifer seemed to be revealing his true self to Ella, but then it became clear she still doesn't believe him (just like Chloe hadn't). I do wonder how long it'll take for her to learn the truth. I imagine either her or Dan will be the next to find out. Speaking of Dan, I see he's still smarting over Charlotte death (*sniff* you will be missed on this show, Tricia Helfer!). Consequently he and Lucifer have reverted to their old Season 1 dynamic, which is a tad disappointing since they'd seemed to make progress towards not disliking each other so much last season. While I understand Dan's attitude, I hope he's not just going to be grumpy the entire season. Doesn't make for fun viewing. And while Amenadiel still seems to have no real clear point on this show, at least he did a nice thing for Dan and managing to convince him Charlotte's in Heaven. I was pretty pissed off that not only was Chloe so forgiving of Maze's behaviour last season, but apparently so was Trixie. It annoyed me that Maze didn't even bother apologising to Chloe (what did Chloe do wrong exactly besides being someone Lucifer cared about deeply? That's not her fault, yet Maze acts like it is). Hell, Chloe said "I'm sorry" to Maze, which was ridiculous. She doesn't owe her an apology. The supposedly 'badass' demon is actually just a very petty, jealous creature who only seemed to care about Trixie not hating her. She was forgiven WAY too easily for my taste. I'm, hoping she'll be less annoying than she was last season, but I'm not holding my breath. The most interesting stuff in this first episode of the season was finding out what Chloe really thought of Lucifer after having seen his true self. She put up a valiant effort in disguising her feelings, acting like it didn't really bother her that much. They even had another nice piano scene near the end. But then came the reveal of what was actually going on with Chloe, as she went into a church, had a breakdown (good job by Lauren German there, who isn't given enough credit by a certain portion of the fandom) and meeting up with a priest played by Graham McTavish (who I mainly knew as Dougal from Outlander). From their exchange, it sounds like he must've convinced her to play it cool so that Lucifer in unaware that they're going to attempt to...I'm not sure what exactly they think they can do to him, but I'm sure whatever their plan is, it isn't going to go well. I've already seen negative reactions to Chloe doing this, but people get so blinded by their love for the Lucifer character that they don't see she's reacting like any sane human being would. It might not be want we *want* to see her doing, but it's what any responsible person would (same with her lying to Maze about Trixie still being upset with her - it's just a parent wanting to keep her child safe from a DEMON. It's understandable). It was an interesting season premiere. I was surprised there were no F-bombs, though (I'd thought now that the show was on Netflix, they would let some drop. It almost seemed like it was going to happen at the start of the episode, but Lucifer was cut off mid-F-bomb by the show's title card/theme playing). Anyway, bring on the Inbar Lavi! It took me a while to get into the show too, Lebowskidoo. I think it wasn't until I was a fair way into the series that I started really enjoying it (though there is some things that prevent me from truly loving it). I do think it gets 'better', though. Stick with it if you can. Chalice, the whole point of the radiohead thing was to show the passage of time. His beard grows throughout and he's in the endless loop of despair because (as we find out later in the episode) Chloe has gone away to process. I thought it was a great opening. And Tom Ellis singing is always a good thing.... Thanks for explaining it, mmexis. I somehow missed understanding what was going on while I was watching (I was probably too focused on his clothes changing and not paying attention to his beard growing). I think the flickering threw me off. I guess I'm just used to the passage of time being shown via one figure staying still while everyone around them moves in fast-forward.
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