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Post by doctorstrange on May 27, 2017 7:06:28 GMT
Just finished season 5, and still enjoyed it. Very happy that it's getting a 6th season. However, they really need to bring back Natalie Dormer, as Moriarty. I honestly didn't care for Shinwell and the gangster storyline. Lucy Liu did great in episode 13. The finale was surprising though. Could have huge impact on the team.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on May 27, 2017 10:49:21 GMT
The last season I watched was Season 4. I've yet to see Season 5. **spoilers for the last three episodes of Season 1** I definitely agree they need to bring Natalie Dormer back on the show (she should be free now to make guest appearances now, shouldnât she?). The reveal of who she truly was in the second last episode of Season 1 was great, as was the season final and dealing with the fallout of the reveal, but the episode of the season which really got to me was the third last one, where Sherlock found âIreneâ. The way Jonny Lee Miller played it, as he slowly came to the realization she was alive, was well-performed, but especially the moment when he uttered her name and almost collapsed (I loved Joanâs reaction at seeing him get so emotional, plus her supporting him). I also enjoyed Ophelia Lovibond as Kitty in Season 3. I know some people didnât like her and wanted her gone, but by the time her story arc was over, I wanted her to stick around. I thought she had a great/different dynamic with Sherlock than Joan did, and I loved her antagonistic relationship with Clyde the tortoise.
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Post by doctorstrange on May 27, 2017 17:40:16 GMT
I loved Ophelia as Kitty. And yes, that "Irene" scene you mention was stellar.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jan 20, 2018 21:48:25 GMT
Well, we just finished Season 5 of Elementary on TV here not that long ago, and I have to sayâŠthe season as a whole wasnât particularly enjoyable.
**spoilers below for the season (including the season final) if you havenât seen it**
I mean, there were good bits here and there (the best thing this season was the return of Ophelia Lovibond as Kitty, who Iâd wanted to see again ever since she left halfway through Season 3. I know some people didnât like her, but I did and really enjoyed her dynamics with Sherlock/Joan), but on the whole...this season felt rather average.
While it was nice to see Nelsan Ellis (who Iâll always remember as Lafayette from True Blood), his character and the season-long storyline he was a part of just seemed too dragged out for me and it didn't really seem worth it considering where things ended up by seasonâs end (though it was sad to hear about the actor passing away).
I think it became obvious partway through the last episode that the woman Sherlock kept meeting, who claimed to âloveâ him and whatnot (seemingly appearing out of nowhere), was a hallucination.
The most important part of the season final, though, was Sherlock and Joanâs fight. I usually really like Joan, but here she was verging into unlikeable territory. I get that she was upset about Sherlock not making it to the service for Shinwell (I even felt bad for him that it appeared no one else was turning up), but her automatically assuming Sherlock was using again, combined with the fact that she essentially told him to get over Shinwell beating the crap out of him, really rubbed me the wrong way. I can at least maybe understand her leaping to the conclusion of Sherlock relapsing (since heâd done so before), but Iâd felt that Joan had given Shinwell too much of a free pass on his hurting Sherlock (who had only ever tried to help him). Friends donât let friends beat the living snot out of other friends, Joan.
Anyway, the ending with Sherlock getting a brain scan leaves me wondering what next season will be like. Hereâs hoping Holmes and Watson can repair their friendship/partnership and that the writers learn from their mistakes in Season 5. I still enjoy the characters of Sherlock, Watson, Bell and Gregson and they're what keeps me watching.
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Post by theravenking on Jan 23, 2018 10:57:44 GMT
I would say, it's unfortunate that they used up all of the great villains from the canon in season 1 (Moran was particularly wasted). The lack of a convincing antagonist like Moriarty really hurt the show in subsequent seasons.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 23, 2018 16:56:58 GMT
I gave up the show at the end of last season. It's no different than every other quirky detective procedural on TV now. And it's not even as good as some others. There's no deductive reasoning anymore. The audience can't figure out who done it because they don't find the important clues until the last 15 minutes of the show. Not that any of that matters because the killer is always the recognizable actor that they meet very early in the episode but appears to have nothing to do with the crime.
There's only 3 reasons to watch this show anymore; Lucy Liu and her legs.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Mar 7, 2018 22:09:35 GMT
I would say, it's unfortunate that they used up all of the great villains from the canon in season 1 (Moran was particularly wasted). The lack of a convincing antagonist like Moriarty really hurt the show in subsequent seasons. Yes, I definitely agree that they've been struggling to recapture what made Season 1 so good. The Moriarty reveal was one of the biggest/best shocks I saw in a show (or...well... would've been if I hadn't stumbled upon a spoiler for it prior to seeing it - but I still think it was a pretty great twist and unique spin on the character. Plus, who they cast for the role was just so perfect). Nothing has come close to the last three episodes of Season 1 since then, for me (though I did like Kitty's arc in Season 3). Having said that^, I do think that Seasons 2 & 3 were at least better than Seasons 4 & 5. I am mainly still watching because I enjoy Jonny Lee Miller as Sherlock and Lucy Liu as Joan (as well as the characters of Bell and Gregson) and their interaction. The cases aren't overly interesting to me, and a lot of the time they just seem too convoluted, but its the characters who I find interesting enough to keep me watching. There's only 3 reasons to watch this show anymore; Lucy Liu and her legs.They certainly don't hurt. Though I do think there are more reasons to watch the show - mainly the Sherlock/Joan dynamic. Also, I never get tired of seeing the different ways Sherlock goes about awaking Joan. She certainly has plenty of patience (as I think most people would react pretty negatively if they were so rudely awaken all the time).
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Post by Lebowskidoo đŠ on Jun 29, 2018 22:21:14 GMT
I love that John Noble continues to play Sherlock's dad, Fringe was the love of my TV life, and Walter Bishop was the greatest character ever on TV.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jul 30, 2018 23:27:56 GMT
Nothing has really come close to that^ moment in the show for me since...until I watched the Season 6 premiere, which we got here the other night. **spoilers below** The scene where Sherlock was breaking down because of what he knew what was happening to him after his diagnosis was really well-acted, I thought. Heâs usually so âtogetherâ (more or less), so that when he has these moments where he canât quite keep it âtogetherâ, itâs all the more effective, I think â because theyâre quite rare. I was so glad to see Joan give Sherlock a hug...no matter how uncomfortable/awkward it was for him. I also cursed Shinwell for his part he played in Sherlock ending up how he is now (the loss of Nelsan Ellis who played him is still a shame, though). There were a few actors in this episode I recognized from other things, such as Brett Dalton from Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. ( of course he was the culprit), Trieste Kelly Dunn from Banshee and Desmond Harrington from Dexter â which, coincidentally enough, Jonny Lee Miller appeared on in Season 5 (where he played a serial killer...in a show about a serial killerâŠand it appears Desmondâs character in this show might be one too - or maybe something else). Sherlock got some good/amusing lines this episode. Glad to hear the show was renewed for a Season 7.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 4, 2018 12:16:57 GMT
I gave up the show at the end of last season. It's no different than every other quirky detective procedural on TV now. And it's not even as good as some others. There's no deductive reasoning anymore. The audience can't figure out who done it because they don't find the important clues until the last 15 minutes of the show. Not that any of that matters because the killer is always the recognizable actor that they meet very early in the episode but appears to have nothing to do with the crime. There's only 3 reasons to watch this show anymore; Lucy Liu and her legs. If I may ask, never having seen the showâwhen you write âanymore,â do you mean there was detective reasoning earlier on, then? I never saw it becauseâwell, it upset the Holmesian purist in me, but I could probably try and get past that if itâs good enough. But if it isnât any different from any other âquirky detective procedural,â then I probably shouldnât even bother. This is a problem I noticed with the British Sherlock, which I have seen, as well. It had some very good and intelligent, if goofy, episodes and plots early on, then became ponderous and self-indulgent. Luckily the acting was always good.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Aug 5, 2018 0:26:19 GMT
NalkarjVery early on it had some of the sort of reasoning and insight that you expect from Sherlock Holmes but it quickly faded IMO and became no different than any number of other shows.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Dec 17, 2018 11:39:37 GMT
Just watched the Season 6 final of Elementary which I recorded last night.
**spoilers below**
After last weekâs episode which ended with Joan Watson getting the blame for murdering serial killer Michael (Desmond Harrington), we found out in this episode that it was actually Captain Gregsonâs daughter, Hannah, who was responsible â having taken revenge against Michael for killing her best friend/roommate in an earlier episode. Though I think itâs safe to say that it wasnât just her need for revenge that motivated her, it was also the fact that (like her father told Sherlock) she *knew* Michael wasnât going to stop, and no one seemed capable of putting him awayâŠso she took care of him. I think people condemning her are being unfair. She made it clear she didnât know Joan was going to get the blame, and it shouldnât be forgotten that although Gregson (understandably) covered for his daughter...Sherlock came right out and said he was prepared to do the same thing for Joan. So people saying that âHannah wasnât worth itâ seem to only see things from one side. Theyâre all for Sherlock being protective of Joan/doing anything for her...but not Gregson doing the same for his daughter?
There was some really good scene between the characters this episode. Firstly, the âfightâ between Sherlock and Joan when he got angry at her for being willing to risk getting sent to prison. Itâs not very often we see these two get legitimately mad at each other, so when it happens itâs all the more effective/sad. While I appreciate Sherlockâs devotion to Joan, but he tends to have âtunnel visionâ, I think, when it comes to her â no one else matters.
I thought Aidan Quinn did a really good job in the scene where Sherlock showed up and confronted him about his part in the whole cover-up of who really killed Michael. Both actors did, actually, and both characters were getting justifiably mad at each other (I also really liked one shot of Sherlock where he was shrouded in shadow and he said âSheâs my best friendâ in response to Gregsonâs âSheâs my daughter.â when they were both explaining the reasons for their actions). And letâs not forget all the times Gregson has âlooked the other wayâ in regards to things Sherlock and Joan have done. He helped cover for Kitty too. So people/Sherlock judging him for covering for his own daughter need to remember that. Itâs good that they finally gave Gregson a âmeatyâ scene. While Bell didnât get much to do in the episode, what he did get proved just how devoted he is to Joan too. He stood up for her completely â as if heâd ever do anything else (and I was so happy to see him stare down Mallick â a truly unlikeable character who was hell-bent on putting Joan away no matter what).
I was curious what was going to happen in/after the scene with Sherlock and Hannah. Obviously he wanted her to confess, but Gregson had made clear just how bad itâd be for her (being a cop) getting sent to prison. I actually didnât mind that Sherlock was able to find a way to keep Joan, Gregson and Hannah all from going to prison. Of course he did that by confessing himself and making it so he would be stuck in England, never able to return to the US.
Though, just when I thought hearing that^ was the end of the episode...we (thankfully) got a goodbye scene between him and Joan. This was such a well-acted scene between Jonny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu. Six seasonsâ worthy of building up their charactersâ partnership/friendship/bond all led up to this...and it was as emotional as could be expected. I liked that Sherlock defined what they had as not merely a âpartnership', but as them being âtwo people who love each otherâ. Of course, any shippers out there would probably take this to mean that theyâre *in* love...when in fact I think itâs not that at all. Theyâre just two people who care so deeply about each other without it being romantic â and thatâs why this show defies whatâs expected of these police procedural type shows with a male and female lead. Typically the two eventually hook up, but this show has firmly kept from resorting to that with these characters â for which I feel it deserves to be commended.
And just when I thought the goodbye scene would be the end...we got a final scene with Sherlock in England. For a minute I thought he was imagining things again (like he did at the end of last season when he hallucinated his dead mother) when he could hear next door but the person he was in the room with could not. However, he then marched next door, banged on the door and it was revealed that Joan was now living next to him in England. That was certainly one way of solving their problem.
Iâd read somewhere that it wasnât certain that the show would get another season, so I donât know if they wrote this season final imagining it may have ended up as the series final or not, but if it had...I wouldâve been pretty happy with it. I thought this was as good an ending as we couldâve hoped for involving these two characters, as they walked off to solve a case together.
While this show might appear to be the âtypical police proceduralâ, I think what elevates it above a lot of ones are the lead actors and their performances/characters. Theyâre what keeps me watching, even when the weekly cases might be boring or just downright confusing. The showâs strength is the acting/chemistry of Jonny Lee Miller and Lucy Liu.
Hereâs hoping the seventh - and what will apparently be the actual final - season doesnât undo the perfection of this ending. I personally have no interest in a child being written into the show (that whole storyline with Joan was just annoying) and I really hope they manage to bring back Moriarty one final time. Thatâs the only thing that wouldâve made this an even more perfect ending - if Moriarty had returned. However, I was quite content with the almost fourth-wall-breaking comments from Sherlock about not being sure about him and Watson being in England and Joan replying that it felt exactly like where theyâre supposed to be. Good job, show.
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Post by Ass_E9 on Dec 22, 2018 6:16:58 GMT
I liked it well enough, but I dropped out after one season.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 26, 2018 20:54:44 GMT
Cancelled. Upcoming 13 episode 7th season will be the last.
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Post by Chalice_Of_Evil on Jun 28, 2020 10:29:57 GMT
Well, we FINALLY got the last season here after a long wait and I just finished the final episode of the show tonight. **somewhat spoilery below** I must say, I found this last season pretty lacklustre (but that seems to be the case with the final seasons of most shows). There just wasn't any real sense of 'danger' at any point. Also, all the fake deaths and time jumps in the last episode were rather irritating. The biggest crime of all, of course, was that the show didn't manage to actually bring Moriarty back in the flesh (all we got was people talking about her a lot and her possibly being dead, but Sherlock believing she was still alive). Surely they could've gotten Natalie Dormer for at least ONE scene. It certainly would have given the last episode some 'oomph' (which it sadly lacked, despite several attempts to 'surprise' us). About the only moment that seemed to have any impact at all was when Sherlock learned what Joan had been keeping from him. James Frain is a decent actor, but his Odin Reichenbach left very little impression on me. The show never managed to find a villain to equal Moriarty. She brought a lot to the series which it sadly lacked after she was no longer in it (and only referred to on rare occasions). I also didn't like in this last episode that Bell punched Sherlock. Yes, I get he was angry over being lied to/being led to believe Sherlock was dead...but it was still an OTT reaction (and didn't Sherlock have a deathly brain injury from being beaten up a couple seasons ago?). Sherlock's scene with Captain Gregson was better. I didn't spot Clyde the tortoise, sadly. A mention of Kitty would've been appreciated too. I remember when this show was first announced, people were up in arms about not only a US version of Sherlock being made, but the casting of Lucy Liu as Watson as well. Both she and Jonny Lee Miller proved all the naysayers wrong, however (whether they like to admit it or not), as they developed great onscreen chemistry and one of the best non-romantic relationships on TV in recent memory (sure, there were some instances where they hinted at the maybe becoming a thing, but it never actually 'went there', thankfully). The show itself wasn't the greatest, but the main cast was what made it above average (at least in its early seasons. It became rather average in its later seasons, though). Still, I appreciated seeing Jonny Lee Miller's portrayal of Sherlock (he could do a lot with very little and I hope to see him score future roles that are equally as complex as this one). Lucy Liu, meanwhile, seems to have aged very little since I saw her in Ally McBeal. She still looks great (though that blonde hair was particularly WTF-worthy. Thankfully they returned her to brunette - well, sort of, in the final scene of the show). I know some had doubted her acting early on, but she proved the perfect onscreen partner for Jonny Lee Miller. The show, while not what it once was, at least managed to keep me watching until the end (which is more than I can say for some shows). While I don't feel it exactly ended on a 'high', at least it hadn't become hate-watch worthy for me either. I appreciated the 'good' that the show gave us, and just choose to (mostly) forget the 'bad'. So long, Elementary. You were really good (for the first few seasons, anyway). Season 6's final probably should've been your series final, though.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jun 30, 2020 20:10:44 GMT
Iâd still like to take a look at this show at some pointâand still havenât done so. Just kind of hoping the plots are solid; I tend to get bored of the soap-operatics in TV mysteries.
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