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Post by Archelaus on Nov 13, 2022 21:38:00 GMT
Awful movie. Too many black women. Action was s---. Namor sucks and nowhere as evil as Killmonger. Angela Bassett (God bless her) couldn't save this turkey of a script. I'm done with Marvel. 1/10 You got a set limit for how many are acceptable? I was doing my best imitation of the 1/10 IMDb user reviews I usually read. Honestly, it's a very female-driven story, but it doesn't draw attention to itself because there's no forced "girl power" angle. Here's my more honest review. The death of Chadwick Boseman left a serious hole in the world of Wakanda. His magnetic, regal presence that matched with his charisma made T'Challa one of Marvel Studios' most compelling comic book heroes. At the time of Boseman's passing, Ryan Coogler stated his script dealt with T'Challa "grieving the loss of time... after being gone for five years." The script was re-written shortly after, but the themes of grief, loss, and reconciliation still remains in the final film. Avengers: Endgame similarly had the Avengers grieving the loss of their fallen comrades who fell victim Thanos's snap, but it kind of became an afterthought once the characters time travel to the past. Even though T'Challa is gone, the memory of what his character left behind still looms over the film. In the years since the Blip, Queen Ramonda and Princess Shuri hold the nation of Wakanda together. After Wakanda opens itself to trade vibranium, countries such as the United States and France try to confiscate it. Vibranium is detected underneath off the coast of the U.S., and Namor senses the U.S. will threaten his underwater kingdom. He attempts to form a pact with Wakanda to wage war if the U.S. attacks. First, he wants to kill Riri Williams, a college student who created a vibranium detector (that the CIA is planning to use). Basically, Riri Williams is another America Chavez (from Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness), a character the villain seeks out for nefarious reasons and a character for the hero to protect. In the film, she's the primary comic relief and sometimes, her scenes work but other times, it doesn't. There's also a CIA subplot involving Martin Freeman and Julia Louis-Dreyfus reprising their roles from previous Marvel films. Within the framework of the film, it feels out of place and rarely goes anywhere. It feels mandated by Marvel as set-up for The Thunderbolts. When we come back to Ramonda and Shuri, the film is at the near best. The performances from Angela Bassett and Letitia Wright really anchor the film as their characters struggle to move Wakanda forward. The action sequences were decent, but I wasn't too enraptured with them. The film's third act battle ends much too abruptly. Ludwig Goransson's instrumental score was fantastic. The costume design by Ruth Carter was well done. However, there is one Midnight Angel armor suit that looks odd, and the characters wink at the audience joking about about how bad the suit looks. Overall, I give it a 7/10. It doesn't quite reach the cinematic heights of the first film, lacking Chadwick Boseman as the center. Nevertheless, the performances of the cast and the dedication to Boseman's memory were excellent. It's enough to see the film in theaters just for it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2022 23:02:14 GMT
You got a set limit for how many are acceptable? I was doing my best imitation of the 1/10 IMDb user reviews I usually read. Honestly, it's a very female-driven story, but it doesn't draw attention to itself because there's no forced "girl power" angle. Here's my more honest review. The death of Chadwick Boseman left a serious hole in the world of Wakanda. His magnetic, regal presence that matched with his charisma made T'Challa one of Marvel Studios' most compelling comic book heroes. At the time of Boseman's passing, Ryan Coogler stated his script dealt with T'Challa "grieving the loss of time... after being gone for five years." The script was re-written shortly after, but the themes of grief, loss, and reconciliation still remains in the final film. Avengers: Endgame similarly had the Avengers grieving the loss of their fallen comrades who fell victim Thanos's snap, but it kind of became an afterthought once the characters time travel to the past. Even though T'Challa is gone, the memory of what his character left behind still looms over the film. In the years since the Blip, Queen Ramonda and Princess Shuri hold the nation of Wakanda together. After Wakanda opens itself to trade vibranium, countries such as the United States and France try to confiscate it. Vibranium is detected underneath off the coast of the U.S., and Namor senses the U.S. will threaten his underwater kingdom. He attempts to form a pact with Wakanda to wage war if the U.S. attacks. First, he wants to kill Riri Williams, a college student who created a vibranium detector (that the CIA is planning to use). Basically, Riri Williams is another America Chavez (from Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness), a character the villain seeks out for nefarious reasons and a character for the hero to protect. In the film, she's the primary comic relief and sometimes, her scenes work but other times, it doesn't. There's also a CIA subplot involving Martin Freeman and Julia Louis-Dreyfus reprising their roles from previous Marvel films. Within the framework of the film, it feels out of place and rarely goes anywhere. It feels mandated by Marvel as set-up for The Thunderbolts. When we come back to Ramonda and Shuri, the film is at the near best. The performances from Angela Bassett and Letitia Wright really anchor the film as their characters struggle to move Wakanda forward. The action sequences were decent, but I wasn't too enraptured with them. The film's third act battle ends much too abruptly. Ludwig Goransson's instrumental score was fantastic. The costume design by Ruth Carter was well done. However, there is one Midnight Angel armor suit that looks odd, and the characters wink at the audience joking about about how bad the suit looks. Overall, I give it a 7/10. It doesn't quite reach the cinematic heights of the first film, lacking Chadwick Boseman as the center. Nevertheless, the performances of the cast and the dedication to Boseman's memory were excellent. It's enough to see the film in theaters just for it. I guess it should have occurred to me that post was a parody. You never know though nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2022 18:34:23 GMT
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 14, 2022 18:39:05 GMT
Wakanda question is that? Shuri he's been to the theater by now.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 14, 2022 18:44:25 GMT
Not yet. Was thinking about either going Thursday or Friday to the theaters. Not going to lie though, I kinda wish it was on Disney+. Would have made things easier for me.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 15, 2022 1:09:12 GMT
I’d say it’s probably the best movie of Phase Four. It’s also arguably the gloomiest film in the MCU.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 15, 2022 1:15:46 GMT
I’d say it’s probably the best movie of Phase Four. It’s also arguably the gloomiest film in the MCU. What made it gloomier than some other MCU films like ‘Captain America’ sequels and last two ‘Avengers’ films - and ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home’ while we’re at it?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 15, 2022 1:19:20 GMT
I’d say it’s probably the best movie of Phase Four. It’s also arguably the gloomiest film in the MCU. What made it gloomier than some other MCU films like ‘Captain America’ sequels and last two ‘Avengers’ films - and ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home’ while we’re at it? I wouldn’t describe the Captain America sequels as particularly gloomy, and NWH still has plenty of comedy and fanservice.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2022 2:44:43 GMT
A good, solid movie but nowhere near as good as people make it out to be. I enjoyed Eternals more than this.
I guess my biggest complaint is that each scene was great on its own but together they didn't quite soar as high as I was expecting.
Still, way better than Thor L&T. I's personally put it around MoM level.
I will praise it though for being a very female-centric superhero movie without it feeling preachy, similar to the first WW. We need more movies like this.
That said, it's a bit irritating how the MCU keeps downplaying when their female heroes commit heinous crimes (like WandaVision or Iron Maiden). In this case, it was actually Ramonda and Nakia who first breached the trust of the Talocans yet it's Namor and the Talocans who were portrayed as the villains of the story. It would have been nice if Shuri at least offered an apology for the death of Namor's daughter.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 15, 2022 3:03:58 GMT
A good, solid movie but nowhere near as good as people make it out to be. I enjoyed Eternals more than this. I guess my biggest complaint is that each scene was great on its own but together they didn't quite soar as high as I was expecting. Still, way better than Thor L&T. I's personally put it around MoM level. I will praise it though for being a very female-centric superhero movie without it feeling preachy, similar to the first WW. We need more movies like this. That said, it's a bit irritating how the MCU keeps downplaying when their female heroes commit heinous crimes (like WandaVision or Iron Maiden). In this case, it was actually Ramonda and Nakia who first breached the trust of the Talocans yet it's Namor and the Talocans who were portrayed as the villains of the story. It would have been nice if Shuri at least offered an apology for the death of Namor's daughter. Wait, was that Namor’s daughter? I didn’t think him calling her “my child” was meant to be literal.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2022 3:07:41 GMT
A good, solid movie but nowhere near as good as people make it out to be. I enjoyed Eternals more than this. I guess my biggest complaint is that each scene was great on its own but together they didn't quite soar as high as I was expecting. Still, way better than Thor L&T. I's personally put it around MoM level. I will praise it though for being a very female-centric superhero movie without it feeling preachy, similar to the first WW. We need more movies like this. That said, it's a bit irritating how the MCU keeps downplaying when their female heroes commit heinous crimes (like WandaVision or Iron Maiden). In this case, it was actually Ramonda and Nakia who first breached the trust of the Talocans yet it's Namor and the Talocans who were portrayed as the villains of the story. It would have been nice if Shuri at least offered an apology for the death of Namor's daughter. Wait, was that Namor’s daughter? I didn’t think him calling her “my child” was meant to be literal. Maybe, maybe not. Though I could have sworn he called her daughter instead of my child. Besides, considering how old the guy is, it would be quite weird if he hasn't sired a number of Talocans by now.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 15, 2022 3:26:55 GMT
What made it gloomier than some other MCU films like ‘Captain America’ sequels and last two ‘Avengers’ films - and ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home’ while we’re at it? I wouldn’t describe the Captain America sequels as particularly gloomy, and NWH still has plenty of comedy and fanservice. And in that case, what made this film a lot more gloomy than last two ‘Avengers’ films for you?
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Post by thisguy4000 on Nov 15, 2022 5:42:58 GMT
I wouldn’t describe the Captain America sequels as particularly gloomy, and NWH still has plenty of comedy and fanservice. And in that case, what made this film a lot more gloomy than last two ‘Avengers’ films for you? I’m not sure why you’re so stuck on this, but the movie has a general sense of melancholy to it that permeates throughout the entire thing. EG has some of that too, but this one feels much more personal in comparison, and what little comedy is present feels much more subdued.
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Post by Marv on Nov 15, 2022 6:19:21 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It succeeded in doing something that I wasn't sure it was going to be able to do and that's make me both care about and get excited for Shuri as Black Panther.
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Post by merh on Nov 15, 2022 7:47:19 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It succeeded in doing something that I wasn't sure it was going to be able to do and that's make me both care about and get excited for Shuri as Black Panther. Or they will do a time travel sort of plot so Toussaint is suddenly old enough to take over.
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Post by blockbusted on Nov 15, 2022 8:21:09 GMT
And in that case, what made this film a lot more gloomy than last two ‘Avengers’ films for you? I’m not sure why you’re so stuck on this, but the movie has a general sense of melancholy to it that permeates throughout the entire thing. EG has some of that too, but this one feels much more personal in comparison, and what little comedy is present feels much more subdued. Well, I haven’t seen the film yet.
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Post by Marv on Nov 15, 2022 18:29:05 GMT
I really enjoyed it. It succeeded in doing something that I wasn't sure it was going to be able to do and that's make me both care about and get excited for Shuri as Black Panther. Or they will do a time travel sort of plot so Toussaint is suddenly old enough to take over. I'm not in any particular hurry to pass the mantle again. The fact that there is a T'challa down the line is a good thing for the future but I wouldn't throw away the progress they've made with Shuri (and Mbaku) here.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 15, 2022 21:08:08 GMT
One of the things that reduced my enjoyment of this film is that the lightning was so dark in a lot of the scenes. I had to really strain to see a lot of the scenes shot at night or underwater. Great for creating suspense, not so great when doing action.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2022 22:00:56 GMT
Leaving for the theater in a few minutes!
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Post by Marv on Nov 15, 2022 22:02:07 GMT
One of the things that reduced my enjoyment of this film is that the lightning was so dark in a lot of the scenes. I had to really strain to see a lot of the scenes shot at night or underwater. Great for creating suspense, not so great when doing action. I thought about this at least twice during the film. I had a hard time telling what was happening in those scenes as well.
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